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In Praise of Leisure

Postby sparky on Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:47 pm

FTAlphaville took me to this essay, which I have not read in total, only the headlines in the FTAlphaville article. However, the bits I have read I am interested in.

Robert Skidelsky and Edward Skidelsky wrote:Imagine a world in which most people worked only 15 hours a week. They would be paid as much as, or even more than, they now are, because the fruits of their labor would be distributed more evenly across society. Leisure would occupy far more of their waking hours than work. It was exactly this prospect that John Maynard Keynes conjured up in a little essay published in 1930 called "Economic Possibilities for Our Grandchildren." Its thesis was simple. As technological progress made possible an increase in the output of goods per hour worked, people would have to work less and less to satisfy their needs, until in the end they would have to work hardly at all. Then, Keynes wrote, "for the first time since his creation man will be faced with his real, his permanent problem—how to use his freedom from pressing economic cares, how to occupy the leisure, which science and compound interest will have won for him, to live wisely and agreeably and well." He thought this condition might be reached in about 100 years—that is, by 2030.


A few years ago our own Cranius gave a few years ago that cited a study of a certain Amazonian tribe and how most of their time was devoted to leisure. Their main leisure activity was warfare.
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Re: In Praise of Leisure

Postby circle_ruler on Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:37 am

i remember reading that, contrary to what one might assume, hunter-gatherers in the Kalahari - a reasonably harsh environment - can get all the food they need by working 3 days a week. the rest of the time is largely spent chilling out and socialising, maybe doing a little bit of portable art, and generally being all peaceful and happy.

related people who have been "civilized" and encouraged to adopt a sedentary farming lifestyle work harder for longer, live with the fear of crop failure, pests and drought, and are considerably less happy. social phenomena such as crime also appear.

it is one of the wonderful paradoxes of capitalism that all the potential is there to use technology to reduce the working week considerably while still meeting the needs of humanity. the concurrent explosion in the social, intellectual and artistic life of people existing in such a state can only be imagined.

however, production is not organised along rational lines and as a consequence we live in a world struggling beneath a hideous burden of suffering, both physical and mental. those who have money are sold foods that kill and buy moronic gewgaws that feed our infantile personas. those without have war, disease and starvation as industry claws at the resources that lie under their feet.

a simplified picture perhaps but one that holds as true today as it did when Marx wrote about it. we continue to live in interesting times and the possibilities are immense.
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Re: In Praise of Leisure

Postby Cranius on Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:21 pm

The Chinese had no word or concept for 'productivity' before the 20th century. Similarly, they had no need for scientifically accurate clocks despite inventing them in the 10th century. The were more interested the variable time of social events (festivals, seasons, etc.). When European clocks were imported, they were merely ornamental or tinkered with to fit with esoteric Chinese 'heavenly' time. Clocks that recorded accurate scientific time simply didn't fit their non-capitalist social formation.

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The example of China clearly indicates that the problem of the emergence of abstract time and the mechanical clock is a social and cultural one, and not merely a matter of technical ability or of the existence of any sort of constant time units. In many respects, the level of technological development in China was higher than that of medieval Europe prior to the fourteenth century. Indeed, some Chinese innovations such as paper and gunpowder were seized upon by the West, with important consequences.Yet the Chinese did not develop the mechanical clock or any other timekeeping device that both marked equal hours and was used primarily for that purpose in organizing social life. This seems particularly puzzling inasmuch as the older system of variable hours, which had been in use after about 1270 B.C. in China, had been superseded by a system of constant hours: one system of time reckoning used in China after the second century B.C. was the Babylonian system of dividing the full day into twelve equal, constant "double hours." Moreover, the Chinese developed the technical ability to measure such constant hours. Between A.D. 1088 and 1094, Su Sung, a diplomat and administrator, coordinated and planned the construction of a gigantic water-driven astronomical ''clocktower" for the Chinese em- peror. This "clock" was perhaps the most sophisticated of various clockwork drive mechanisms developed in China between the second and the fifteenthcenturies. It was primarily a mechanism for displaying and studying the movements of the heavenly bodies, but it also showed constant hours and "quarters" .Nevertheless, neither this device nor its marking of equal hours seems to have had much social effect. No such devices—not even smaller and modified versions—were produced on a large scale and used to regulate daily life. Neither a lack of technological sophistication nor ignorance of constant hours, then, can account for the fact that the mechanical clock was not invented in China. What seems more important is that the constant "double hours" were apparently not significant in terms of the organization of social life.

According to David Landes, there was little social need in China for time expressed in constant units, such as hours or minutes. Life in the countryside and in the cities was regulated by the diurnal round of natural events and chores, and the notion of productivity, in the sense of output per unit time, was unknown. Moreover, to the extent that urban timekeeping was regulated from above, it seems to have been with reference to the five "night watches," which were variable time periods.

If this was the case, what was the significance of the constant "double hours" used in China? Although a full discussion of this problem lies beyond the bounds of this work, it is significant that those time units were not numbered serially, but bore names. This not only meant that there were no unambiguous ways to announce each hour (for example, by drum or gong), but suggests that those time units, although equal, were not abstract—that is, commensurable and interchangeable. This impression is reinforced by the fact that the twelve "double hours" were linked in a one-to-one correspondence with the astronomical succession of signs of the zodiac, which are certainly not interchangeable units. There was a conscious paralleling of the daily and yearly course of the sun, with the "months" and the "hours" bearing the same names. Together, this system of signs designated a harmonious, symmetrical cosmic system.

It seems, however, that this "cosmic system" did not serve to organize what we would regard as the "practical" realm of everyday life. We have already seen that the Chinese waterwheel towers were intended not primarily as clocks but as astronomical devices. Hence, as Landes notes, their accuracy was checked "not by comparing the time with the heavens, but a copy of the heavens with the heavens." This apparent separation between that aspect of the cosmic system inscribed in the Chinese clockwork mechanisms and the "practical" realm is also suggested by the fact that, although the Chinese measured the solar year, they used a lunar calendar to coordinate social life. They also did not use the twelve "houses" of their "Babylonian" zodiac to locate the position of heavenly bodies, but used a twenty-eight-part "moon-zodiac" to that end. Finally, as already noted, the constant "double hours" used in China apparently did not serve to organize everyday social life; that Su Sung's technical device made no difference in this regard suggests, therefore, that the constant "Baby- lonian' ' time units used in China were not the same sorts of constant time units as those associated with the mechanical clock. They were not really units of abstract time, of time as an independent variable with phenomena as its function; rather, they might best be understood as units of "heavenly" concrete time.


Standardized clock time, can therefore be seen as related to the capitalist productive mode, and therefore a form of social domination, through the introduction of measurable productivity (i.e. managers on the factory floor with stop-watches; the taylorisation of work; the stringency of Henry Ford's assembly line that enforced an automatic rate of production, etc.).

A guaranteed wage for all citizens (employed or unemployed) would release a massive amount of leisure time and unshackle human creativity.
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Re: In Praise of Leisure

Postby ERawk on Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:01 pm

Wrong thread. Don't know how that happened...
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Re: In Praise of Leisure

Postby Christopher on Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:09 pm

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Re: In Praise of Leisure

Postby The Ditch on Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:27 pm

Latest CBI figures show that leisure time costs the British economy 3 trillion a year. RETURN TO YOUR WORKSTATIONS IMMEDIATELY.
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Re: In Praise of Leisure

Postby Andrew. on Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:32 am

James Livingston wrote:The Left, I argue, is still too deeply, even emotionally attached to the idea and the agenda of productive labor, which insists that the consumption of goods is authorized only by the prior production of goods with real value. Thus the parasitic capitalists become the object of critique because their incomes are deducted from the sum of value produced by less fortunate others: thus we change the world by correcting the relation between effort and reward, between work and income. I call this combination of idea and agenda the “pathos of productivity.” I trace it to the Protestant Ethic and bourgeois propriety, of course, but I also ridicule Matthew Crawford’s flamboyantly nostalgic book, Shop Class as Soulcraft (2009), as the perfection of the Puritan jeremiad, which always brings us back to our callings, those secular vocations we know as work. Finally, I quote Herbert Marcuse, Theodor Adorno, Alfred North Whitehead, and Don Draper to say, very politely, FUCK WORK.

We don’t need work to fashion our genuine selves, to produce character and authenticity. There’s not enough real work to go around, anyway, so we might as well get on with a discussion of why the relation between the production of value and the receipt of income can never again be understood as a transparently cause-effect relation. We might as well get on with a discussion of how to detach one from the other—income from work—and entertain, accordingly, the practical applications of the criterion of need, “from each according to her abilities, to each according to his needs.”


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Re: In Praise of Leisure

Postby Andrew. on Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:43 am

It's the 21st century – why are we working so much?

If there's one thing practically all futurologists once agreed on, it's that in the 21st century there would be a lot less work. What would they have thought, if they had known that in 2012, the 9-5 working day had in the UK become something more like 7am to 7pm? They would surely have looked around and seen technology take over in many professions which previously needed heavy manpower, they would have looked at the increase in automation and mass production, and wondered – why are they spending 12 hours a day on menial tasks?

It's a question which isn't adequately answered either by the right or by the official left. Conservatives have always loved to pontificate about the moral virtue of hard work and much of the left, focusing on the terrible effects of mass unemployment, understandably gives "more jobs" as its main solution to the crisis. Previous generations would have found this hopelessly disappointing.

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Surveys have long shown that most workers think their jobs are pointless, and looking at the heavily contested vacancies at the average jobcentre – call centre staff, filing clerks and above all the various tasks of the service industry – it's hard to disagree.

Yet the utopian vision of the elimination of industrial labour has in many ways come to pass. Over the past decade Sheffield steelworks produced more steel than ever before, with a tiny fraction of their former workforce; and the container ports of Avonmouth, Tilbury, Teesport and Southampton got rid of most of the dockers, but not the tonnage.

The result was not that dockers or steelworkers were free to, as Marx once put it, "hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon and criticise after dinner". Instead, they were subjected to shame, poverty, and the endless worry over finding another job, which, if it arrived, might be insecure, poorly paid, un-unionised work in the service industry. In the current era of casualisation, that's practically the norm, so the idea of skilled, secure labour and pride in work doesn't seem quite so awful. Nonetheless, the workers' movement was once dedicated to the eventual abolition of all menial, tedious, grinding work. We have the machines to make that a reality today – but none of the will.

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Re: In Praise of Leisure

Postby Bambouche on Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:20 am

sparky wrote:
Robert Skidelsky and Edward Skidelsky wrote:Imagine a world in which most people worked only 15 hours a week. They would be paid as much as, or even more than, they now are, because the fruits of their labor would be distributed more evenly across society. Leisure would occupy far more of their waking hours than work. It was exactly this prospect that John Maynard Keynes conjured up in a little essay published in 1930 called "Economic Possibilities for Our Grandchildren."




Decades before Keynes "conjured" up this prospect, it was the life work of Kropotkin, laid out clearly in his Mutual Aid, written after his zoology work in Siberia and spending time among the Swiss watchmakers in the Jura mountains. Not to mention the influence of Karl Kessler's 1880 "On the Law of Mutual Aid."
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Re: In Praise of Leisure

Postby Cranius on Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:32 pm

There's an article by Owen Hatherly in today's Guardian asking what Paul Lafargue and Oscar Wilde would have made by the amount of time we devote to working these days:

In almost all cases, utopians, socialists and other futurologists believed that work would come near to being abolished for one reason above all – we could let the machines do it. The socialist thinker Paul Lafargue wrote in his pointedly titled tract The Right To Be Lazy (1883):

"Our machines, with breath of fire, with limbs of unwearying steel, with fruitfulness wonderful inexhaustible, accomplish by themselves with docility their sacred labour. And nevertheless the genius of the great philosophers of capitalism remains dominated by the prejudices of the wage system, worst of slaveries. They do not yet understand that the machine is the saviour of humanity, the god who shall redeem man from working for hire, the god who shall give him leisure and liberty."


Oscar Wilde evidently agreed – in his 1891 essay The Soul of Man Under Socialism, he scorns the "nonsense that is written and talked today about the dignity of manual labour", and insists that "man is made for something better than distributing dirt. All work of that kind should be done by a machine". He makes quite clear what he means:

"Machinery must work for us in coal mines, and do all sanitary services, and be the stoker of steamers, and clean the streets, and run messages on wet days, and do anything that is tedious or distressing".


Both Lafargue and Wilde would have been horrified if they'd realised that only 20 years later manual work itself would become an ideology in Labour and Communist parties, dedicating themselves to its glorification rather than abolition.


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Re: In Praise of Leisure

Postby Andrew. on Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:04 pm

Nice note by Bambouche above. Meanwhile I guess I made it onto Cranius's foe list. Finally.

On the subject of Keynes, I was listening to David Harvey's most recent lecture at the LSE the other day (here), and he mentioned one of Keynes' schemes for increasing effective demand: money stamped with an expiry date, which could only be renewed by government fee, so that the longer the rich hoarded their money instead of spending it, the more expensive it became. Anti-interest.

Apparently oxidizing currency (money that deteriorates) has been used as part of experiments with barter/solidarity economies in Argentina.
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Re: In Praise of Leisure

Postby Cranius on Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:43 am

Oops, sorry, missed it.

I was on a conference panel about thinking egalitarian emancipation last week, and there was a political scientist that gave a highly compelling talk on the nature of the crisis and work.

She didn't think that the currents protests we're seeing worldwide really address the structural problem of the crisis (which is really a problem of how we work). She was saying that Occupy and Indignados were concerned with relational problems, but had yet to address principal structural problems.

For her the principal structural problem of our society is that, due to the risks to individuals that globalisation has brought to the workforce, those with jobs are too scared to leave work, whilst those outside of work cannot enter into it. In the middle are the narrow-band of precarious workers oscillating between work and unemployment.

The solution for her would be a universal citizens' wage so that those in work could voluntarily leave work when they chose to, allowing those that are unemployed to enter workforce.

The problem for those in work, is that even if they earn relatively high wages/salaries they are compelled to work more than they want to. This makes full-time work a form of voluntary enslavement.

She lives and works in Brussels and she said she'd presented her ideas to various left-wing EU politicians, but the meetings left her with the impression that the political left is currently bereft of ideas in the crisis. She reckoned that academics aren't quite aware how much they are currently needed in this intellectual vacuum, when politicians are actively soliciting for solutions.

Similarly, she'd discussed this with a high-level liberal economist, and he'd said this was a very 'sensible' idea, but currently politically impossible. However, she said, at least he admitted it was sensible.
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Re: In Praise of Leisure

Postby tarblackvomit on Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:27 pm

Boring, overly-wordy article, but I sure appreciate the sentiment.
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Re: In Praise of Leisure

Postby Andrew. on Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:08 am

FYI: Website for The US Basic Income Guarantee Network

Peter Frase has been building an excellent series of commentaries and essays on this issue at The Jacobin. E.g. The Politics of Getting a Life
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Re: In Praise of Leisure

Postby bluegreengold on Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:30 pm

The reason people work so much is that a small percent of the population, the really nasty bit that will scamper without scruple in order to obtain power, can only get off if they 'own slaves' in some capacity.
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Re: In Praise of Leisure

Postby Andrew. on Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:41 pm

bluegreengold wrote:The reason people work so much is that a small percent of the population, the really nasty bit that will scamper without scruple in order to obtain power, can only get off if they 'own slaves' in some capacity.


No, not really. This is the Bad Guy view of society that reduces class relations and political economy to a few as you say "nasty" men with dark hearts who grab power and boss everyone around. Not as bad as the Jew-Lizard theory, granted, but still a poor effort.

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Re: In Praise of Leisure

Postby bluegreengold on Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:26 pm

That's a good point. It's not as if some small cabal of people the *bad guys* are entirely to blame. The limits of control for any individual or 'elite group' is actually quite small, and is in fact the limits of of their own being. There is good and bad in every human. The problem is that corruption, unlike money, does 'trickle down.' It is 'the people on high' who must change in order for there to be harmony (and leisure for all).
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Re: In Praise of Leisure

Postby prowler on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:04 am

Andrew. wrote:FYI: Website for The US Basic Income Guarantee Network

Peter Frase has been building an excellent series of commentaries and essays on this issue at The Jacobin. E.g. The Politics of Getting a Life

there is now a Unconditional Basic Income initiative in the EU
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