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by **enframed** on Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:44 pm

so can someone post this death disco 12" mix?

cheers.

by **Ace** on Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:59 pm

Listening to "Flowers Of Romance" right now, as it thunderstorms over Chicago.

What a great night.

Also, first issue is one of the greatest albums EVER in my opinion - if not just for "Theme" - so to whoever said it was terrible, i honestly don't know what you're talking about. I think even the spoken word 'Religion', while pointless, was a nice touch.

by **Edd Tastyhead** on Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:34 am

I own the first two PiL albums and I adore them both. I also have a greatest hits an ex-girlfriend bought me years back. The later stuff on it sucks balls. Having read this thread Flowers Of Romance is now on my must-have list.

Has anyone here heard the Commercial Zone LP? Only found out it even existed recently. Apparently it's basically an earlier version of This Is What You Want... with Keith Levene still in the band. It's also supposed to be a shed-load better than This Is What You Want.

It was never released because Levene was fired but apparently it had a limited unofficial release in the US (apparently Levene sold them for smack money - shock horror). Has anyone here heard it? Is it worth the effort of me trying to locate a bootleg of it?

Maybe I should ask John Lydon where I can get it when I see the Pistols next month (yea, I know it's gonna suck - it's my girlfriends birthday present).

On the strength of PiL's best work they truly deserve a NOT CRAP.

by **o_d_m** on Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:06 am

Edd Tastyhead wrote:Has anyone here heard the Commercial Zone LP?

Maybe I should ask John Lydon where I can get it when I see the Pistols next month

No need to ask him.

Here you go. (If you wanna drop 40 bucks on a record that is)

Enjoy.

by **enframed** on Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:04 am

Edd Tastyhead wrote:
Has anyone here heard the Commercial Zone LP? Only found out it even existed recently. Apparently it's basically an earlier version of This Is What You Want... with Keith Levene still in the band. It's also supposed to be a shed-load better than This Is What You Want.

commercial zone
http://www.sendspace.com/file/3qfcen

by **Edd Tastyhead** on Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:06 am

Awesome, ta mateys.

by **SecondEdition** on Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:22 am

Edd Tastyhead wrote:I own the first two PiL albums and I adore them both. I also have a greatest hits an ex-girlfriend bought me years back. The later stuff on it sucks balls. Having read this thread Flowers Of Romance is now on my must-have list.

Has anyone here heard the Commercial Zone LP? Only found out it even existed recently. Apparently it's basically an earlier version of This Is What You Want... with Keith Levene still in the band. It's also supposed to be a shed-load better than This Is What You Want.

It was never released because Levene was fired but apparently it had a limited unofficial release in the US (apparently Levene sold them for smack money - shock horror). Has anyone here heard it? Is it worth the effort of me trying to locate a bootleg of it?

Maybe I should ask John Lydon where I can get it when I see the Pistols next month (yea, I know it's gonna suck - it's my girlfriends birthday present).

On the strength of PiL's best work they truly deserve a NOT CRAP.

I have it, and it's not very good, no matter what Keith Levene says.

It's an '80's pop record with a lot of synthesizer and extremely gated drums. They sound practically fake.

There are some interesting vocals, but overall it really kind of sucks.

That said, you should hear it.

by **llllllllllllllllllllllll** on Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:27 pm

ctrl-s wrote:The bass on "Albatross" makes me queasy. (Simon Reynolds refers to this as the arsequake effect.) How did they do that? I seem to recall something about them having the bass amp facing a wall at close range and recording the sound from further away in the room.

"Careering," 1980 (YouTube). Love that screechy Prophet synth.

I recently saw a DVD with a segment of the Tomorrow Show in, I think, 1979, with Levene and Lydon. I had forgotten how RIDICULOUSLY, HILARIOUSLY hostile and UTTERLY up their own asses they were. Snyder all but called them toolboxes. Also at the first closeup of Levene my friend cracked up and said "Oh no, HE'S not on heroin, no way."

Not crap!

Compared to some of the media encounters Lydon has had, I don't think that one was too terrible. It seemed like Snyder was kind of looking for a fight, so to speak.

by **enframed** on Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:46 pm

no one has the box set and can upload death disco 12" mix for me?

i saw that tom snyder episode recently as well. kinda funny.

by **El Protoolio** on Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:48 pm

Steve V. wrote:
SecondEdition wrote:
El Protoolio wrote:
mackro wrote:First Issue isn't talked about nearly enough.

That's cause it is flawed in one way: both "Religion" songs are, honestly, pretty bad. Sad to say it, really, but it's true:

"Religion II" is a great fucking tune.

by **mr.arrison** on Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:22 pm

enframed wrote:
commercial zone
http://www.sendspace.com/file/3qfcen

thanks for this album I have always wanted to hear it. too bad it is dreadful anus-blast. couple of good songs though.

by **El Protoolio** on Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:07 am

I want to add that while their third album "Flowers Of Romance" is good, it is missing Jah Wobbles and therefore not great.

by **agent202** on Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:43 pm

no way to be crap!!

by **sphincter** on Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:00 am

I hate this band so much. Just awful music.

by **big_dave** on Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:16 am

Edd Tastyhead wrote:It was never released because Levene was fired but apparently it had a limited unofficial release in the US (apparently Levene sold them for smack money - shock horror). Has anyone here heard it? Is it worth the effort of me trying to locate a bootleg of it?

It's absolutely awful. Half the tracks are "experimental" instrumentals and there are a few songs that ended up on later albums in more "produced" form. The Mad Max/Bad Life version on Commercial Zone is pretty fun though.

by **AAAAAAAARGH** on Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:58 am

Nothing has ever so completely changed the direction of my life as Metal Box did. Although I probably listen to Flowers of Romance more now.

I really like the idea of PiL, esp. what how they wanted to expand what it means to be a band. Really remarkable they got as far as they did, and made records that good, since they were all lazy/on drugs/making each other miserable.

Those last three albums, not so good. Generic PiL, great album, and SOUNDS great. I probably give 'Happy?' the old college try more often than either of those This Is What You Want era records, though.

by **AdamN** on Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:49 am

I started relistening to the first three albums ever since seeing Martin Atkins at the Killing Joke show.

Thanks for the reminder Martin.

Not crap.

by **SecondEdition** on Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:55 am

The first three records (four if you count Paris Au Printemps) have been incredibly influential for me as a guitarist and as a musician in general.

by **raygun** on Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:51 am

NC, no waffles, but several people expressed their opinion that they were better than The Fall. They didn't even come close.

by **Dr. Geek** on Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:20 pm

Having detested the Sex Pistols, particularly John Lydon's whiny vocal exaggerations, I put off listening to P.I.L. for quite some time.

That changed on Monday when I bought Second Edition and another album whose title I now forget. I enjoyed the music on Second Edition, but as soon as Lydon's vocals were present in the mix . . . I had a very difficult time trying not to play something altogether different.

I've listened to it a few times since then and can safely state that I still feel the same way about Lydon's vocals. In fact, it ruined what I did enjoy about the music.

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