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Re: Drummerdome: John Bonham vs. Ginger Baker

Postby 154 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:59 pm

Haha, fuckin' firecrotch drinks a coke in the middle of that clip as if he's not getting smoked..

All of his lumpety-lump triplet solos sound like a 15 year old attempting to play Angel of Death on tubs of margarine.
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Re: Drummerdome: John Bonham vs. Ginger Baker

Postby The MayorofRockNRoll on Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:00 pm

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Re: Drummerdome: John Bonham vs. Ginger Baker

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Re: Drummerdome: John Bonham vs. Ginger Baker

Postby Adam Sr on Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:05 pm

154 wrote:All of his lumpety-lump triplet solos sound like a 15 year old attempting to play Angel of Death on tubs of margarine.


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Re: Drummerdome: John Bonham vs. Ginger Baker

Postby FuzzBob on Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:34 pm

I get off on Mitch Mitchell's amped-up sweetpea drumbeats too, but you've gotta be fucking kidding me.

Neither Mitchell nor Baker could come close to pulling off Bonzo's funk or that hemiola-in-a-Latin-Purdie-shuffle that is "Fool In The Rain." As busy as Bonzo got, there was almost always a sense of economy. Every note was meant to be there, even the Purdie ghost notes. His fills were perfect. He was just plain better.
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Re: Drummerdome: John Bonham vs. Ginger Baker

Postby Pasta on Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:38 pm

FuzzBob wrote:I get off on Mitch Mitchell's amped-up sweetpea drumbeats too, but you've gotta be fucking kidding me.

Neither Mitchell nor Baker could come close to pulling off Bonzo's funk or that hemiola-in-a-Latin-Purdie-shuffle that is "Fool In The Rain." As busy as Bonzo got, there was almost always a sense of economy. Every note was meant to be there, even the Purdie ghost notes. His fills were perfect. He was just plain better.



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Re: Drummerdome: John Bonham vs. Ginger Baker

Postby FuzzBob on Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:50 pm

Pasta wrote:
FuzzBob wrote:I get off on Mitch Mitchell's amped-up sweetpea drumbeats too, but you've gotta be fucking kidding me.

Neither Mitchell nor Baker could come close to pulling off Bonzo's funk or that hemiola-in-a-Latin-Purdie-shuffle that is "Fool In The Rain." As busy as Bonzo got, there was almost always a sense of economy. Every note was meant to be there, even the Purdie ghost notes. His fills were perfect. He was just plain better.



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I love that song too, but it takes a drummer with far more depth and sophistication to come up with and play the part to "The Crunge." Even something simpler like "Night On The Tiles" has turnarounds that are much more clever.
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Re: Drummerdome: John Bonham vs. Ginger Baker

Postby Anthony Flack on Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:59 pm

I guess Bonham's more the thinking man's drummer, whereas the great thing about Mitchell was his spontaneity and exuberance.
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Re: Drummerdome: John Bonham vs. Ginger Baker

Postby Dovey on Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:57 am

I'd always harboured a suspicion that Ginger Baker was a grasping, bitter old shithead. It's nice to have confirmation, I guess.

It's been said in this thread and plenty of other places previously, but Bonham was very often an extremely busy player, much in the Baker/Mitchell vein. But his power, and his overpowering sense of groove meant that it still came off as appropriate and economical, instead of fussy and distracting. Baker never really impressed me in any way at all. I guess Baker was the originator of a certain style of rock drumming, but it's both a style I don't particularly care for (Moon gives me the shits more often than not, too) and he was straight up bested by several of his contemporaries from the rock and jazz sides of the fence, never mind the dudes that came after.
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Re: Drummerdome: John Bonham vs. Ginger Baker

Postby B_M_L on Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:26 am

I don't want to stick up for Ginger Baker, he's a crotchety spiteful old bastard.

But when he's saying that he's better than Bonham I don't think he's referring to all of Bonham's drumming, but actually just his ability to improvise. Baker (from what I understand) places this above everything, and he doesn't think that Led Zep did much improvised, spontaineous playing live - and that Cream did, and a bunch of Jazz guys that he likes did too.

He's probably right. I've heard plenty of Zep live and although there a some sections of songs that they extend etc they're not really improvising like a Jazz musician would define it - Thankfully! I kinda think the world is a better place without another extended rock jam. And Cream did do this alot, and it's one of the reasons I can't listen to their crappy live stuff.... 15mins of Clapton noodling in the blues scale while Baker jazzes all over the audience.

Also part of Bakers problem is that everyone know's he a grumpy git and journalists will ask him questions becuase they know they'll get a soundbite or whatever.
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Re: Drummerdome: John Bonham vs. Ginger Baker

Postby fredrock on Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:05 am

154 wrote:Haha, fuckin' firecrotch drinks a coke in the middle of that clip as if he's not getting smoked..


He was puking Budweiser into a bucket when I saw him!

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Also, any love out there for Bobby Elliot ?
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Re: Drummerdome: John Bonham vs. Ginger Baker

Postby Redline on Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:13 am

Mitch Mitchell is not the best drummer of the late-'60s. He's not even the best drummer to play with Jimi Hendrix.

Jimi broke up the Band Of Gypsys because he was tired with playing with Buddy Miles. So tired of Buddy Miles, in fact, that he broke up the Band Of Gypsys in the middle of a concert. Then he brought Mitch back in to the band.

Let Jimi decide who his best drummer was, yay!
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Re: Drummerdome: John Bonham vs. Ginger Baker

Postby Mick Shrimpton on Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:15 am

Bonham's brontosaurus wollap cannot be denied, but his playing lacks the nimble touch of Baker. The poll results (34/3 Bonzo) are unsurprising, as few punk rockers can appreciate Baker's odd time signatures, gift for arrangements, viruosity and bandleader skills (particularly on his Air Force albums).

Bonham was a cog in Jimmy Page's machine; Baker was the whole Masarati.
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Re: Drummerdome: John Bonham vs. Ginger Baker

Postby Ptommydski on Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:23 am

Haha, drum polls which are John Bonham Vs XYZ.
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Re: Drummerdome: John Bonham vs. Ginger Baker

Postby dvockins on Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:23 am

Mick Shrimpton wrote:Baker was the whole Masarati.


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Re: Drummerdome: John Bonham vs. Ginger Baker

Postby 154 on Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:54 am

Hah, my dad had that exact car. It was essentially a LeBaron.
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Re: Drummerdome: John Bonham vs. Ginger Baker

Postby Kyle Motor on Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:26 pm

fredrock wrote:Also, any love out there for Bobby Elliot ?

I'm a fan. Kind of a shame he stuck with The Hollies as they got increasingly dishwater dull through the years.

Baker has always struck me as a floppy-armed dunce. The Eric Clapton of drums. CRAP.

Bonzo....seriously. Just listen to him.
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Re: Drummerdome: John Bonham vs. Ginger Baker

Postby Redline on Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:32 pm

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Re: Drummerdome: John Bonham vs. Ginger Baker

Postby fredrock on Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:35 pm

Kyle Motor wrote:
fredrock wrote:Also, any love out there for Bobby Elliot ?

I'm a fan. Kind of a shame he stuck with The Hollies as they got increasingly dishwater dull through the years.


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Re: Drummerdome: John Bonham vs. Ginger Baker

Postby numberthirty on Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:46 pm

Mick Shrimpton wrote:Bonham was a cog in Jimmy Page's machine


That explains the greatness of Coverdale/Page and the album Outrider.
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