Verdict - Death Penalty/Capital Punishment

[Gramsci]

how about this: person can kill psychically from a jail cell, even when unconscious.

Well, I guess we'll have to use a special kind of raygun on them, one that stops psychic attacks.

[toomanyhelicopters]

how about this: person can kill psychically from a jail cell, even when unconscious.

meh. why would the guy be in jail in the first place? i would assume a super-developed brain, and thus a guy smart enough to not get caught for any jailable offense. if he could kill psychically, if there is such a thing as the perfect murder, that would be it. science doesn't even acknowledge the existence of all things "psychic", much less develop technologies that detect them. if the guy could kill psychically, he'd not end up in jail. or wait, is it that the guy can *only* kill psychically *from jail*? that's different. that's definitely not the perfect murder.

[Cranius]

how about this: person can kill psychically from a jail cell, even when unconscious.

meh. why would the guy be in jail in the first place? i would assume a super-developed brain, and thus a guy smart enough to not get caught for any jailable offense. if he could kill psychically, if there is such a thing as the perfect murder, that would be it. science doesn't even acknowledge the existence of all things "psychic", much less develop technologies that detect them. if the guy could kill psychically, he'd not end up in jail. or wait, is it that the guy can *only* kill psychically *from jail*? that's different. that's definitely not the perfect murder.

I presume we're talking about Magneto here.

[Cranius]

As everyone is in basic agreement about the death penalty, with a couple of unvoiced advocates, how does everyone feel about the execution of heads of state and people in authority found guilty of war crimes and major crimes against humanity?

We may well see the execution of Saddam Hussein later this year. Is this a fitting and just punishment? How does this help measure our standards of civilization?

The hanging of the Nazi criminals at Nüremberg was unanimously perceived to be justice for the deaths of 50 million people. Of course, the victims of these monstrous criminals require public vindication, as we saw with the televised execution of the Ceausescu's in Romania. Many such criminals have, frustratingly for their victims, escaped a fitting punishment (Pol Pot and Albert Speer to to name but two).

The recent trial of Slobodan Milosevic at the Hague, has highlighted the difficulties of this sort of conviction. In fact, as a main part of his defence, he has said that any other leader would have trouble defending themselves against prosecution for war crimes, if they were in his seat.

In this age of total war against civilian populations as well as combatants, what are the ramifications of the death penalty for these crimes? Is it a double standard to apply the morality behind civil punishment to international law? Should we have the same opinion on the death penalty for common murders and mass murderers? And lastly is this form of justice merely the justice of the victors?

[bumble]

Of course, the victims of these monstrous criminals require public vindication, as we saw with the televised execution of the Ceausescu's in Romania.

Why is it required for the victims/victims' relatives to receive public vindication in the form of an execution?

[kerble]

Of course, the victims of these monstrous criminals require public vindication, as we saw with the televised execution of the Ceausescu's in Romania.

Why is it required for the victims/victims' relatives to receive public vindication in the form of an execution?

I'd say mob mentality and hysteria over "requirement".
Whatever's Coup.



Faiz

[whiskerando]

Why is it required for the victims/victims' relatives to receive public vindication in the form of an execution?

and why is it required that the state or federal government do the victims dirty work? why should society dole out vengeance?

nobody should have to suffer through having a loved one murdered but it is not our responsibility to kill someone who wronged you. we are not one of the mules for sister sarah.

[bumble]

...the victims dirty work?

it is not our responsibility to kill someone who wronged you.

Hey whiskerando, I don't know if this is what you meant, but I don't dig the idea of personal vengeance as justice.

[steve]

how does everyone feel about the execution of heads of state and people in authority found guilty of war crimes and major crimes against humanity?

I say put them in prison for a very long time.

Don't mistreat them, but lock them up. Taking away one's freedom is all we should afford ourselves as punishment for anything. Just lock them up.

You do a small crime, then you get locked-up for a short while.

You do a big crime, you get locked-up for a long time.

You destroy thousands of people's lives, you might not ever get out.

That's it. Nobody gets to kill anybody for revenge. Nobody. Lock 'em up.

[whiskerando]

I don't know if this is what you meant, but I don't dig the idea of personal vengeance as justice.

i wasn't referring to you. sorry for the second person pronouns. a poor rhetorical choice considering i started by quoting you.

[bumble]

Oh no, it wasn't the "you" part - I knew you weren't talking about me!

I was referring to vengeance as justice, overall.

[Bradley R. Weissenberger]

I wonder what Charles Manson is doing today.

What does he do with his days?

Ha ha, Charles Manson. You are in prison.

You twisted fuck.

[whiskerando]

I wonder what Charles Manson is doing today.

have you ever watched one of his parole hearings? i'm guessing he was a nutball before he spent decades in prison but he is such a nutball at this point that i can't imagine him recruiting idiots to do his bidding.

I was referring to vengeance as justice, overall.

and i agree with you, that's what i meant by my post. vengeance is not justice and the government should not be in the business of doling out the retribution demanded by victims families.

[bumble]

vengeance is not justice and the government should not be in the business of doling out the retribution demanded by victims families.

Okay, cool - sorry if I misunderstood.

I had a weird vibe of "Do yer own damn killin', Cletus! Shee-it, the sheriff only got so much rope!"

[sunlore]

Quote:
I wonder what Charles Manson is doing today.


have you ever watched one of his parole hearings? i'm guessing he was a nutball before he spent decades in prison but he is such a nutball at this point that i can't imagine him recruiting idiots to do his bidding.

But a good songwriter. One of the best in his time, according to Bob Dylan.

[tmidgett]

have you ever watched one of his parole hearings? i'm guessing he was a nutball before he spent decades in prison but he is such a nutball at this point that i can't imagine him recruiting idiots to do his bidding.

he's always been 1000% nutball

on the deterrence front, the case can be made that it is a greater deterrent to have these guys in prison for life than it is to kill them

there is potential for martyrdom and romanticism in execution

there is potential for not very much in a guy twiddling his thumbs in a 8x10 cell for the rest of his life

[Angus Jung]

But a good songwriter. One of the best in his time, according to Bob Dylan.

Please produce an actual quote and a source where Bob Dylan says this about Charles Manson.

[sunlore]

Please produce an actual quote and a source where Bob Dylan says this about Charles Manson.

Shit... I was afraid somebody might ask that. It's in his autobiography, vol.1. Maybe someone can help?

Gimme a minute, anyway, it's been a few months since I read it and there's no register...

[Ranxerox]

Many people on death row are bastards that deserve to die. It should not be the place of the state to carry out that type of retribution. Especially when the reasoning and mechanisms in support of state-sanctioned killing are so flimsy and prone to corruptions of this sort and that.

Crapola.

[solum]

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