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Postby Adam CR on Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:30 pm

MrFood wrote:Hello.

I've been exploring modern composition a wee bit just recently (Arvo Part, Max Richter, Steve Reich).

I remember someone on here saying something about a modern composer who basically sounds like post rock. I know this is a trite sentiment in a serious musical discussion - but I'm a mere peasant.

Anyhow, I couldn't find the original post - but if anyone could chime in with a recommendation which fits this description - I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks.


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Re: Capnreverbs discourse on modern string quartets and composer

Postby capnreverb on Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:06 pm

Maybe Glenn Branca?
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Re: Capnreverbs discourse on modern string quartets and composer

Postby Robert G on Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:26 pm

capnreverb wrote:Maybe Glenn Branca?


Rhys Chatham comes to my mind too. Especially his Crimson Grail (For 400 Guitars).
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Re: Capnreverbs discourse on modern string quartets and composer

Postby capnreverb on Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:13 pm

Ok here are few more.

My favorite lately is the Wisconsin born, German living composer Gloria Coates. How her stuff eluded me is beyond me. Absolutley mind blowing string Quartets and Symphonies. Very dissonant stuff that flows like water shrapnel. Like jagged sunlight through ice. Lots of string glissendos that evolve slowly. Tense and abstract, like an angry Scelsi. Some of the harshest stuff I have heard but extremly lovely. Her stuff is on Naxos and is very cheap.

Two composers who are worth checking out that are complex beyond belief and leave you wondering how the fuck someone can compose this (and how the hell do the musicians play this) are the Englishman Brian Ferneyhough and the German Wolfgang Rihm. Very very difficult stuff here often called The New Complexity. People who are interested in music that is so dense and complex that it seems like math on meth would like this. Not very pretty stuff, but extremly interesting/engaging. The Arditti Quartet have recorded a lot of this stuff and might be the only ensemble that can pull this shit off.

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Re: Capnreverbs discourse on modern string quartets and composer

Postby chopjob on Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:29 pm

capnreverb wrote:Her stuff is on Naxos and is very cheap.


I second Coates. The non-Naxos label releases are worth the cost, too, and contain some of my favorite material by her.

capnreverb wrote:the Englishman Brian Ferneyhough


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Re: Capnreverbs discourse on modern string quartets and composer

Postby Rick Reuben on Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:45 am

I recorded a live chamber music concert in a church last weekend and mixed it this week. Excellent playing and a nice variety of compositions. The lineup was three violins, a cello, an upright bass and a classical guitar.

Here's a link to a .rar archive of 14 .mp3's. ( It's a big file, about 140 MB. )

http://www.sendspace.com/file/hxdsjj
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Postby Ernest on Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:46 am

Thanks, Rick.
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Re: Capnreverbs discourse on modern string quartets and composer

Postby Rick Reuben on Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:54 am

Skronk wrote:Thanks, Rick.
It was a fun job. I couldn't really close mic very well because of music stands/visibility concerns for the audience, and I only had one shot at placing the mics before the concert began, but luckily, the church was nice acoustically, so all eight mics were useful in the final mix. What makes it good is that they were serious players, even though a couple were still in college.
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Postby madlee on Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:14 am

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Re: Capnreverbs discourse on modern string quartets and comp

Postby Dave//Eksvplot on Tue May 07, 2013 5:10 am

Bump!

This thread is probably where I first heard of Gloria Coates, via capnrever here:

capnreverb wrote:My favorite lately is the Wisconsin born, German living composer Gloria Coates. How her stuff eluded me is beyond me. Absolutley mind blowing string Quartets and Symphonies. Very dissonant stuff that flows like water shrapnel. Like jagged sunlight through ice. Lots of string glissendos that evolve slowly. Tense and abstract, like an angry Scelsi. Some of the harshest stuff I have heard but extremly lovely. Her stuff is on Naxos and is very cheap.


Haven't heard her string quartets yet, but have a disc with a few of her symphonies on it. After giving it some time I've come to the conclusion that it's one of the best releases in my box of "classical"/"avant-garde"/whatever-you-wanna-call-it music.

The dissonant strings make her music a decent companion to Partch's Delusions of the Fury, though I suppose they're very different artists.
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Re: Capnreverbs discourse on modern string quartets and comp

Postby TheMilford on Tue May 07, 2013 8:51 am

Wow! Checking some of her stuff out now...

Just ordered two String Quartet discs on Naxos
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Re: Capnreverbs discourse on modern string quartets and comp

Postby 1009 on Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:46 pm

Apologies for the thread I began on too little sleep. Bumping this one for the wealth of information herein.
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Re: Capnreverbs discourse on modern string quartets and comp

Postby taylor swiftboat orgy on Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:58 pm

My cat probably knows more about these composers than I do.
Thanks for the list and the descriptions.
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Re: Capnreverbs discourse on modern string quartets and comp

Postby geiginni on Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:11 pm

I'm inclined to resurrect this great but long-dead thread about modern chamber music to repurpose for my recent explorations of forgotten 19th century romantic composers and works. Thanks to YouTube and a classical recording industry no longer interested in profit motive and dependent upon grants and arts funding non-profits, we can hear some of this work that's been largely unknown for the last 100 years.

I'm not inclined to focus on just quartets of strings. If it's solo, and sonata duo or and of the configurations of trios to octets with and without piano, I'm probably good for a listen.

Not focused on specific pieces, my listening lately has been a survey of the following composers:

-Anton Reicha

-Ferdinand Ries

-Joachim Raff

-Zdenek Fibich

-Friedrich Kuhlau

So far I'm liking what I've heard of these guys. So, who else are we missing in-between Hummell and Dvorak?

(I'm also enjoying all the chamber arrangements out there of Beethoven symphonies and concertos)
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Re: Capnreverbs discourse on modern string quartets and comp

Postby givemenoughrope on Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:10 pm

geiginni wrote:(I'm also enjoying all the chamber arrangements out there of Beethoven symphonies and concertos)


Curious about these...but also what about the string orchestra arrangements of his late era quartets? I know Bernstein did some. Are there many/more of these?
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Re: Capnreverbs discourse on modern string quartets and comp

Postby Madman Munt on Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:22 pm

I'm listening to this right now:

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I wish I hadn't looked up his wikipedia page:

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Re: Capnreverbs discourse on modern string quartets and comp

Postby geiginni on Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:29 pm

givemenoughrope wrote:
geiginni wrote:(I'm also enjoying all the chamber arrangements out there of Beethoven symphonies and concertos)


Curious about these...but also what about the string orchestra arrangements of his late era quartets? I know Bernstein did some. Are there many/more of these?


I like these:

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I'm not aware of the Bernstein arrangements of the late quartets, but now I'm curious. I did find this one that's pretty good:
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Mahler did an arrangement of Schubert's 'Death and the Maiden' quartet No.14 D.810 that is wholly badass though:
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Re: Capnreverbs discourse on modern string quartets and comp

Postby geiginni on Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:37 pm

Madman Munt wrote:I'm listening to this right now:

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I wish I hadn't looked up his wikipedia page:

Personal life
Haas is the dominant partner in a BDSM relationship with his wife, Mollena Williams-Haas.


What does he do, tie her up and stuff an avocado in her arse?


I like the microintervals and parallel/diverging glissandi. Kinda reminds me of Gloria Coates (who as I recall you don't care for). I'll have to listen to the rest of this later at home.

The personal stuff isn't too surprising. What is surprising is that he's the dominant in a relationship with a former Ms. International Leather who looks pretty dominating herself! Ah, good old Austrians!
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Re: Capnreverbs discourse on modern string quartets and comp

Postby Madman Munt on Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:41 pm

geiginni wrote: the Bernstein arrangements of the late quartets


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IIRC he said it was the best/favourite record he ever made.
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Re: Capnreverbs discourse on modern string quartets and comp

Postby RSMurphy on Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:17 pm

chopjob wrote:
capnreverb wrote:Her stuff is on Naxos and is very cheap.


I second Coates. The non-Naxos label releases are worth the cost, too, and contain some of my favorite material by her.


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