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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby lumpenprole on Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:40 pm

Cilantro wrote:Breaking news...we should all stop making records. According to Roger Daltrey, there's no point:

http://teamrock.com/news/2016-06-01/roger-daltrey-there-s-no-music-industry-anymore-why-would-we-make-an-album



"How do you get the money to make the records? I don't know."

...I'm gonna say fish farm?
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Postby 154 on Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:50 pm

I guess I can quit hoping for that rock opera about a sheet metal worker.
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby jimmy two hands on Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:58 pm

154 wrote:I guess I can quit hoping for that rock opera about a sheet metal worker.


If you really want that, I could write one...
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby Anthony Flack on Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:54 pm

"You notice, the internet is a slowly but surely destructive thing in all ways. I don't think it's improved people's lives. It's just made them do more work and feel like they're wanted a bit more, but it's all bollocks."


The internet: literally nothing good about it whatsoever, says old man.
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby jimmy two hands on Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:24 pm

Anthony Flack wrote:
"You notice, the internet is a slowly but surely destructive thing in all ways. I don't think it's improved people's lives. It's just made them do more work and feel like they're wanted a bit more, but it's all bollocks."


The internet: literally nothing good about it whatsoever, says old man.


Damn, dude got old. He said he was gonna die before then.
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Postby Anthony Flack on Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:09 pm

Hes not trying to cause a big sensation, he's just talking about his generation.
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Postby bishopdante on Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:36 am

jimmy two hands wrote:He said he was gonna die before then.


He only said that was his hope.

jimmy two hands wrote:
154 wrote:I guess I can quit hoping for that rock opera about a sheet metal worker.


If you really want that, I could write one...


For it to be contemporary it'd have to be released in a few different formats, as G-code (for robots) in Mandarin, and a bollywood version.

Traditional Chinese opera can sound a lot like a panel-beating shop. There's probably something in it.
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Postby hellholiday on Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:36 am

Seby wrote:http://www.fastcompany.com/3060236/gary-numan-thinks-the-music-industrys-collapse-is-a-beautiful-thing


Years ago, I started to run my own label called Numa Records. This was the '80s. Back when you still had your big record chains like Tower Records. They absolutely killed me. For example, I put out one album. They would order a thousand and they would only pay for one in 20 of those that they ordered. And if you didn’t accept that deal, they didn’t stock you at all.

You look at a 12-pound album, and six pounds of that went to the shop. Of the six that went to the record company, the artist ended up getting about 40 pence. We’d get the least of it than anyone! Fans hate us because they think we’re all rich and overpaid with supermodels hanging off of us on every street corner and driving around in Ferraris. And fucking record stores are killing it, making an absolute fortune. So, it started with them. The big record chains began to struggle and disappear. Aw! [Laughs] … That was such a good moment. I didn’t feel guilty at all. They ruined so many great little labels that could have done some really great things. And probably took down half the artists that struggled with them.
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby scntfc on Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:27 pm

Spotify creating fake artists to replace real ones in $$ generating playlists. congratulations spotify, you've managed to out-sleaze the major record labels. quite an accomplishment.
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby Seby on Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:48 pm

scntfc wrote:Spotify creating fake artists to replace real ones in $$ generating playlists. congratulations spotify, you've managed to out-sleaze the major record labels. quite an accomplishment.


Ha! That's what people get for using spotify. However, on the topic of allowing a corporate third party to organise your playlist:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/20/arts/ ... .html?_r=1
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby Anthony Flack on Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:51 pm

I agree with the author completely - I don't want Bandcamp to editorialise nuthin'. I don't want to hear their editorial staff's opinion on anything, especially not about the music being posted on Bandcamp. Bandcamp works because it connects musicians directly to their audience and the more unmediated it is the better. Bandcamp needs a team of Brooklyn hipsters acting as taste-makers and content curators like I need a nail gun accident.
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby Johnny C on Fri Sep 02, 2016 6:10 pm

The Bandcamp Daily is great, tbh, and so long as its editorial work doesn't influence, say, search algorithms or what have you, I don't think it actually does anything to harm what makes Bandcamp work so well.
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby Anthony Flack on Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:06 pm

The danger is that the editorial's ability to influence what is popular on Bandcamp ends up affecting what goes on on Bandcamp. If the editorial team have particular preferences, then people may start to deliberately play to that in order to be featured. The worst thing that could happen is the emergence of such a thing as a "Bandcamp-style band".

For instance, Apple's editorial selections have a major influence over what happens on the app store, because they make such a big difference as to what content gets noticed.
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby Seby on Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:01 pm

You will probably need to register to read this, but it is of interest.

https://www.ft.com/content/cd99b95e-d8b ... eb37a6aa8e
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby elisha wiesner on Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:39 pm

Seby wrote:You will probably need to register to read this, but it is of interest.

https://www.ft.com/content/cd99b95e-d8b ... eb37a6aa8e


Can you give me the gist? I don't feel like paying to read an article about streaming.
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby Seby on Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:56 pm

elisha wiesner wrote:
Seby wrote:You will probably need to register to read this, but it is of interest.

https://www.ft.com/content/cd99b95e-d8b ... eb37a6aa8e


Can you give me the gist? I don't feel like paying to read an article about streaming.


Oh crap, usually one can read a couple of things as a free trial after registering for said trial.

The article is titled "How Streaming Saved the Music Industry".

Okay: The big labels are making lots of money from streaming however the artists are not.

There are some interesting breakdowns of the number of streams required from various platforms before the "content owner" (the label, not the songwriter/artist)) makes one dollar. It is a graph, so these number will be off slightly, but:

Apple: 75

Spotify paid: 130

Spotify free: 590

Pandora paid: 380

Pandora free: 490

Youtube Red: 150

Youtube free: 980

Now, roughly 58% of all revenue from Spotify and Apple Music goes directly to the record labels. 25% is kept by the streaming services, with the rest, around 15% give or take, split between publishers and songwriters. This buries, deliberately, the fact that many songwriters, the actual creators of the content, do not own the publishing rights. So the actual figure for songwriters alone would be much, much smaller than this.

It ends with a positive spin with regard to Soundcloud, insofar as the artists controlling their content is concerned.
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Postby landspeednyc on Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:44 pm

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source: https://www.ft.com/content/cd99b95e-d8b ... eb37a6aa8e

(note: I was able to see the whole article by googling the headline in google news)
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby Anthony Flack on Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:57 pm

So streaming is projected to take over everything by 2030... ok sure, I can buy that (or rather, I can't).

But performance rights and film and advertising licensing (other*), which have remained fairly constant until now, are projected to wither away to nothing also; why is that?
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