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Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:42 pm
by givemenoughrope
Great idea! The more pledged, the better the band. For 10,000, high school stage band. 40k, average union pros. 100k, blue man group on a night off. 1.2 mil, I won't bring forth the weedian riffian Nazareth-a.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:50 pm
by numberthirty
All I'm saying is this shit has 1009's name written all over it.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:51 pm
by lemur68
DrAwkward wrote:
lemur68 wrote:Countless threads about how it's more noble to play for free, and when it's an artist outside of the PRF canon, suddenly it's a problem.


I smell a strawman!

Dude, if Tar ran a $1.2 million Kickstarter and then asked a bunch of people to just show up and be semi-professional and accompany them orchestra-style, i'm pretty sure most people here would cock their eyes and be all "WTF?"


So this is about her having the money but choosing to pay musicians in beer & merch, and not so much about musicians being willing to play a gig for little or no compensation. Yeah, I get that. This is the pkids-list era Joe Lemur who blurts things out without thinking it all the way through first, talking.

So I guess if she didn't have a million bucks it wouldn't be so much of a problem, correct?

Though I bet if FNM asked you to sit behind Puffy's kit for a few numbers for just a backstage pass, you'd be on that in a hot second :smt006

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:51 pm
by 154
DrAwkward wrote:
lemur68 wrote:Countless threads about how it's more noble to play for free, and when it's an artist outside of the PRF canon, suddenly it's a problem.


I smell a strawman!


It makes even less sense as there are countless threads about promoters and venues who rip off bands or expect you to play for PBR and hugs.

Maybe Amanda Palmer can go work for MP shows after the backlash ensues.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:52 pm
by 154
numberthirty wrote:All I'm saying is this shit has 1009's name written all over it.


Man, his taste went to shit since moving to Boystown..

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:54 pm
by numberthirty
154 wrote:Maybe Amanda Palmer can go work for MP shows after the backlash ensues.


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Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:59 pm
by William_Benton
She married Neal Guyman(sp?).........she's doing OK.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:03 pm
by DrAwkward
lemur68 wrote:
DrAwkward wrote:
lemur68 wrote:Countless threads about how it's more noble to play for free, and when it's an artist outside of the PRF canon, suddenly it's a problem.


I smell a strawman!

Dude, if Tar ran a $1.2 million Kickstarter and then asked a bunch of people to just show up and be semi-professional and accompany them orchestra-style, i'm pretty sure most people here would cock their eyes and be all "WTF?"


So this is about her having the money but choosing to pay musicians in beer & merch, and not so much about musicians being willing to play a gig for little or no compensation. Yeah, I get that. This is the pkids-list era Joe Lemur who blurts things out without thinking it all the way through first, talking.

So I guess if she didn't have a million bucks it wouldn't be so much of a problem, correct?

Though I bet if FNM asked you to sit behind Puffy's kit for a few numbers for just a backstage pass, you'd be on that in a hot second :smt006


Hell yes i would be!

Mostly it's just tacky. She asked for $100,000, got over a million, and then made such a big deal about what she's putting into the packaging, tour, and promotion that she can't even toss a few bones to her fans/hired help. It's kinda ironic that she's actually been semi-transparent about this and well-intentioned but boneheaded choices like this are biting her in the ass as a result.

But yeah, shit, i'm not one of her devoted acolytes, so maybe to them it's a once in a lifetime thrill that they'll tell their grandkids about. Different strokes.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:06 pm
by Marsupialized
Did you get to fingerbang her or anything? She can't go five minutes without showing her giant bush every which way

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:07 pm
by numberthirty
Marsupialized wrote:Did you get to fingerbang her or anything?


I was thinking "Can't you just pay them in nudie pics or something?"

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:11 pm
by Marsupialized
Like she bends over and the line goes down and each gets to rim for a second her as they pass, like baseball teams 'good game good game good game good game' except with 40 tongues going up her ass

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:27 pm
by Ptommydski
William_Benton wrote:She married Neal Guyman(sp?).........she's doing OK.

Neil Gaiman (who I am equally ambivalent about) and Amanda Palmer also made a questionable Kickstarter to fund a mini-tour of the west coast of America. They asked for $20,000 and the total sum raised was $133,342. I'm pretty sure that these people are both pretty wealthy but again, I suppose it shows how daft/generous/gullible their fans are.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:32 pm
by DrAwkward
Ptommydski wrote:
William_Benton wrote:She married Neal Guyman(sp?).........she's doing OK.

Neil Gaiman (who I am equally ambivalent about) and Amanda Palmer also made a questionable Kickstarter to fund a mini-tour of the west coast of America. They asked for $20,000 and the total sum raised was $133,342. I'm pretty sure that these people are both pretty wealthy but again, I suppose it shows how daft/generous/gullible their fans are.


Better to them than a megachurch, i guess?

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:33 pm
by numberthirty
Ptommydski wrote:
William_Benton wrote:She married Neal Guyman(sp?).........she's doing OK.

Neil Gaiman (who I am equally ambivalent about) and Amanda Palmer also made a questionable Kickstarter to fund a mini-tour of the west coast of America. They asked for $20,000 and the total sum raised was $133,342. I'm pretty sure that these people are both pretty wealthy but again, I suppose it shows how daft/generous/gullible their fans are.


The extra cash from that alone would have covered a pro string/horn section. Without even putting it in a cd or Christmas club or anything.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:33 pm
by givemenoughrope
Marsupialized wrote:Did you get to fingerbang her or anything? She can't go five minutes without showing her giant bush every which way


Toebang and I'll play the theme from "A Shot in the Dark" in every song. Keep the beer/hugs.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:53 pm
by John W.
Wow. I'd never heard of her until I was listening to a thing about her Kickstarter campaign on the radio. I finally went and watched a video. Not my thing at ALL. She can do whatever she likes, I'm not going to pay attention.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:39 pm
by steve
I have no fundamental problem with either asking your fans to pay you to make your record or go on tour or play for free in your band or gather at a mud pit downstate and sell meth and blowjobs to each other. I wouldn't stoop to doing any of them myself, but horses for courses. The reason I don't appeal to other people in this manner is that all those things can easily pay for themselves, and I value self-sufficiency and independence, even (or especially) from an audience.

If your position is that you aren't able to figure out how to do that, that you are forced by your ignorance into pleading for donations and charity work, you are then publicly admitting you are an idiot, and demonstrably not as good at your profession as Jandek, Moondog, GG Allin, every band ever to go on tour without a slush fund or the kids who play on buckets downtown.

Pretty much everybody on earth has a threshold for how much to indulge an idiot who doesn't know how to conduct herself, and I think Ms Palmer has found her audience's threshold.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:58 pm
by Bernardo
Just because I have been so vocal about not hating the Kickstarter thing, I'd like to be on record as another voice for saying this is absolute bullshit.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:13 pm
by davesec
who cares if some idiot invites a bunch of molesters on stage with her to shit out bad music

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:19 pm
by Boombats
steve wrote:If your position is that you aren't able to figure out how to do that, that you are forced by your ignorance into pleading for donations and charity work, you are then publicly admitting you are an idiot, and demonstrably not as good at your profession as Jandek, Moondog, GG Allin, every band ever to go on tour without a slush fund or the kids who play on buckets downtown.

Mega fucking LOLZ, buddy. GG Allin remark really puts it into perspective.


Bottom line, just because she has creepy pathetic fans who will do anything for her for free, doesn't mean she has to exploit their loserdom. CRAP