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Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:40 am
by Mr. Chimp
Jesus Christ.





Also, wtf, she's married to Neil Gaiman?

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:42 am
by Zorg
Honest question, does Glenn Branca pay his "guitar orchestra"?

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:43 am
by deep.BTUz
Zorg wrote:Honest question, does Glenn Branca pay his "guitar orchestra"?



No he didn't. At least not the one two of my friends where in. That 100 guitar thing.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:02 am
by total_douche
subprime wrote:Yeah. That is that bad. That is terrible. When I was working fulltime (30-35 h a week) on my second job I made enough to live on my own with one or two roommates with enough left over afterwords to eat real food or save for instruments. Come to newfoundland.

Oh, I make more than enough. It's not like I'm barely surviving. I make around $20 an hour on straight time, anything past 8 is time and a half, Saturday is time and a half, Sunday is double. The hours kind of suck, but I am doing my best to save as much as I can as fast as I can (and make equipment purchases and invest in my cars), so I don't mind it quite as much as I could. I'm sure I can figure out the social quagmire somehow. The only thing that bothers me about it is I sometimes feel like I'm throwing away the end of my twenties, during which I haven't accomplished much socially anyway, for the sake of ensuring steady finances. I dunno. Fuck it.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:06 am
by subprime
welp. move to somewhere that is much cheaper to live once you have enough saved up? 20$ an hour is pretty enticing I guess. golden shackles.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:06 am
by scntfc
Christopher wrote:
They also referred to the money Ms. Palmer had raised. But in the interview, she stressed that most of it went toward recording expenses and the costs of promotion and touring.

Pure bullshit. I'd like to see an itemized, Louis C.K.-style breakdown of the 1.2 million and why it cost that much to record, promote and tour with nothing left over to pay her Cirque du Soleil backup band or whatever.


there's a breakdown somewhere on her site.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:06 am
by jimmy two hands
This whole thing is obscene, but honestly if a bunch of sucka-ass bitch-testicles want to throw their money at a ukelele-plunking asshole millionaire and will aprreciate a pat on the head for being her little organ-grinder monkey, it's no skin off my cock. I will continue to avoid listening to her music because I know it will piss me off.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:08 am
by Bernardo
Zorg wrote:Honest question, does Glenn Branca pay his "guitar orchestra"?


A member posts here, so we can get some good info on the what and why there.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:32 am
by Christopher
scntfc wrote:
Christopher wrote:
They also referred to the money Ms. Palmer had raised. But in the interview, she stressed that most of it went toward recording expenses and the costs of promotion and touring.

Pure bullshit. I'd like to see an itemized, Louis C.K.-style breakdown of the 1.2 million and why it cost that much to record, promote and tour with nothing left over to pay her Cirque du Soleil backup band or whatever.


there's a breakdown somewhere on her site.

Link? This should be good.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:00 pm
by bleh.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:06 pm
by jimmy two hands
Woo Muzik Jernulizm yay!

How many more pages now? I can only hope Amanda Palmer starts an account now

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:22 pm
by Wheely


That is beyond lame. Wouldn't it be some kind of professional courtesy to at least ask Steve if he could write a story based on his post? Michael Nelson is an idiot. You can quote me on that, Michael.

$1.2 million is a lot of clams. Stop asking for shit.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:28 pm
by Auntie Ovipositor
Johnny C wrote:the detail that ties it all together is that she didn't want to shell out the $35k – out of $1.2 million, during a series of shows that will likely sell near-capacity for most of the venues – for the extra musicians she really wants

Very true. She has the funds to give back to the members of her fan base that are willing to commit some time to help her out, and it's weird that she won't. Creepy, even.

To me, though, this is an issue of the internet distorting communication. All those furious comments on her blog post from professional musicians who can't believe she would ask for something for free are missing something: she isn't talking to them. They only know to complain because it went viral.

If someone posted on this board saying their band was coming through town and they wanted to find a guitarist for every show to come up and play 2 songs, it would happen. This is like that, only in a horrible bizarro world way where the music is embarrassingly bad and there's lavender-scented soap in the backstage dispensers. Oh - and if any of us did that and had that much money sitting around we'd pay the people helping us out. But the point is, she posted on her blog, assuming she was communicating just to her community, it went viral, and all sorts of people assumed she was asking them to play for free.

So: douche move for being such a tightwad and for creating such disgusting musical tripe, but not her fault that every fifth-tier viola stroker in america thinks she doesn't appreciate them.

And thank fucking god this place isn't that one.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:35 pm
by Maurice
Zorg wrote:Honest question, does Glenn Branca pay his "guitar orchestra"?

No--it's a volunteer gig. Jandek pays, however.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:42 pm
by Colonel Panic
Maurice wrote:
Zorg wrote:Honest question, does Glenn Branca pay his "guitar orchestra"?

No--it's a volunteer gig. Jandek pays, however.


But neither Glenn Branca nor Jandek raise $1.2 million on Kickstarter either.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:47 pm
by Flaneur
Has a Shellac question-asker ever asked for a cut of the door?

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:50 pm
by Maurice
Colonel Panic wrote:
Maurice wrote:
Zorg wrote:Honest question, does Glenn Branca pay his "guitar orchestra"?

No--it's a volunteer gig. Jandek pays, however.


But neither Glenn Branca nor Jandek raise $1.2 million on Kickstarter either.

True. In Glenn's case for the 13, there were recording expenses, feeding-the-band, and room buyout expenses, and some fundraising to offset those. I can't imagine any scenario in which the 13 would be able to generate a union-scale wage for 100 players.

Jandek events are smaller in scale, and appear more self-sufficient.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:55 pm
by Luzwei
amelia wrote:1.2 million isn't that much money these days.


'melia, are you still hungover from the party...?

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:56 pm
by 154
amelia wrote:Maybe she hasn't received the money yet. Are you all her accountants? 1.2 million isn't that much money these days. I'm not a fan or anything, but it just seems tacky that you all care so much about someone you don't even admire. Part of me thinks that most of the hostility toward her is subconsciously based on her being so free with her body/nudity.


-KS transfers the $ -fees as soon as it tips
-Are you fucking joking? 1.2 million is plenty to make a record and tour.
-Oh, you are kidding because that last point is just absurd.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:56 pm
by bleh.
amelia wrote:Part of me thinks that most of the hostility toward her is subconsciously based on her being so free with her body/nudity.


i have almost no clue who this lady is, zero exposure. why would this make me hate her more?