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Re: Hey, Andrew B. Cohen

Postby eliya on Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:09 pm

Andrew B. Cohen wrote:
Who is this Secona Lee?!?


We all would like to know!

While we're discussing SKWM songs - Tim has a thread going on Facebook where everyone's talking about The Ram from Italian Platinum. What is this song about? When I first heard it I thought it was inspired by battering rams, particularly ones the Romans used to break down the walls to Jerusalem. I'm not sure that makes any sense anymore, especially after I read the lyrics.
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Re: Hey, Andrew B. Cohen

Postby tbone on Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:48 pm

I always sing along to that lyric as "...he asked 'The mouse, that gonna leave?'" even though I know that is not what is being sung. Hearing this song live, acoustic, a couple of times recently has been super awesome but has not changed my version at all. Andrew B Cohen, I really like singing along to your songs and am glad that you have no problems with my obviously incorrect versions of your lyrics!

Pretty glad to hear that there are some songs in the can and more recordings on the way.

I have no questions but the title of this thread is "Hey, Andrew B. Cohen" and not "Ask Andrew B. Cohen" so I think I'm good.
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Re: Hey, Andrew B. Cohen

Postby llllllllllllllllllllllll on Wed Aug 26, 2015 2:33 pm

Andrew B. Cohen,

I play guitar at least a couple hours a day, just writing riffs and chord progressions and soloing to an imaginary band. Regular band practice is two-three hours a week. Am I shooting myself in the foot by not being more technical about it, like by learning songs and scales and stuff? I only switched to guitar about 5 years ago, but I was playing bass about 10 years before that. I really just want to kick ass and play interesting sounding things.

Do you have any sort of practice regimen that you follow?
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Re: Hey, Andrew B. Cohen

Postby Andrew B. Cohen on Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:16 pm

eliya wrote:
Andrew B. Cohen wrote:
Who is this Secona Lee?!?


We all would like to know!

While we're discussing SKWM songs - Tim has a thread going on Facebook where everyone's talking about The Ram from Italian Platinum. What is this song about? When I first heard it I thought it was inspired by battering rams, particularly ones the Romans used to break down the walls to Jerusalem. I'm not sure that makes any sense anymore, especially after I read the lyrics.


Hey Eliya! I'll have to listen to the song again before I answer, it's been a long time . . .

I'm back.

Man, after listening again, I think I'll take a pass on any specific thoughts because this one is whatever you want it to be. For me, I'll point toward concepts like: mystery, fun, out of control.

Maybe I'll try to work this one up acoustic for my next solo appearance.
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Re: Hey, Andrew B. Cohen

Postby Andrew B. Cohen on Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:18 pm

tbone wrote:I always sing along to that lyric as "...he asked 'The mouse, that gonna leave?'" even though I know that is not what is being sung. Hearing this song live, acoustic, a couple of times recently has been super awesome but has not changed my version at all. Andrew B Cohen, I really like singing along to your songs and am glad that you have no problems with my obviously incorrect versions of your lyrics!

Not incorrect, your versions are great!



Pretty glad to hear that there are some songs in the can and more recordings on the way.

Thanks, I'll try to get this process moving along, for my own sake at least.



I have no questions but the title of this thread is "Hey, Andrew B. Cohen" and not "Ask Andrew B. Cohen" so I think I'm good.


You are good, I agree!
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Re: Hey, Andrew B. Cohen

Postby Andrew B. Cohen on Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:28 pm

llllllllllllllllllllllll wrote:Andrew B. Cohen,

I play guitar at least a couple hours a day, just writing riffs and chord progressions and soloing to an imaginary band. Regular band practice is two-three hours a week. Am I shooting myself in the foot by not being more technical about it, like by learning songs and scales and stuff? I only switched to guitar about 5 years ago, but I was playing bass about 10 years before that. I really just want to kick ass and play interesting sounding things.

Do you have any sort of practice regimen that you follow?


A couple hours a day is a lot of guitar playing for almost anyone, so I think you are already "practicing" quite a bit.

I do think there is a place for some book learnin' about this stuff. It can really save you a lot of time (i.e., someone else has already thought of and written down most basic musical concepts). If you practice scales/chords/lesson-ey type stuff with discipline you will eventually get to the point where the muscle memory or whatever is advanced enough that you will have a lot of options open to you in your playing. A lot of people associated this kind of playing with the worst mechanical crap out there, from whatever jazz person is hot at the moment or, on the other end of the spectrum, the million-miles-an-hour metal shredders.

It doesn't have to be like that. Richard Lloyd seems to be pretty up on basic music theory and conventional guitar playing technique and he is great in the right setting (e.g., Television, Rocket From the Tombs). Same goes for Richard Thompson, Sonny Sharrock and lots of other great guitarists.

You're already playing a couple hours a day, so I think that if you were to take lessons from a decent teacher and devote 1 hour a day to really practicing you would see big gains quickly. An hour of focused practice is really a lot if done daily. Then you got your other hour to write songs and goof around.

Or, just keep doing what you are doing and find your own way.

I took sort of a hybrid approach, doing a lot of practice on the conventional stuff early (like in my teens) and got really proficient in a "can move fingers quickly" sense, but it took me several years of the other way (less scales, more goofing around, finding my own thing) to really get to a place I liked.
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Re: Hey, Andrew B. Cohen

Postby llllllllllllllllllllllll on Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:26 pm

Thank you, Andy! I've signed up for lessons for an hour a week. The main reason I asked was because the time I spend playing guitar I could be hanging out with my friends or my very understanding girl friend, so the thought that I could be wasting time sort of horrifies me. thanks for taking the time to answer!
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Re: Hey, Andrew B. Cohen

Postby Andrew B. Cohen on Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:23 pm

llllllllllllllllllllllll wrote:Thank you, Andy! I've signed up for lessons for an hour a week. The main reason I asked was because the time I spend playing guitar I could be hanging out with my friends or my very understanding girl friend, so the thought that I could be wasting time sort of horrifies me. thanks for taking the time to answer!


No problem, thanks for asking. Get some of your friends to play with you then you get a 2-fer of playing the guitar AND hanging out with your friends!
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Re: Hey, Andrew B. Cohen

Postby tallchris on Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:11 am

Hey ABC! Got a question for ya...

So in another thread, TM mentioned that you and him both used dual amp setups for the last Pit record:

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Used two amps for both the baritone and the guitar on our last record. Not normal operating procedure. Really liked it.


I believe TM used the Electric Amp/tube-pre amp thing. Do you remember what you used? Was it one amp kind of clean/one amp cranked, or change depending on the song?

We're getting ready to record in a couple months, and I was thinking of doing something like this (Bassman run clean & Marshall run full on at the same time) but wasn't sure if this would just be overkill.

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Re: Hey, Andrew B. Cohen

Postby Andrew B. Cohen on Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:06 pm

Hi tallchris,

I don't remember if I ran the 2-amp setup on everything on Shade Perennial, but it is certainly there on several tracks. I used it on Italian Platinum for LR72 as well (100-watt Marshall + '59 Deluxe). Also used it for a few songs on the First Pit rec (Hammer of the Godz), but can't remember which ones.

For me, the bi-amp setup in the studio has always gone according to a script like this:

Me: Hmm, this amp is awesome, but it just isn't sounding all that impressive on the recording.
Steve Albini/Tim Midyett: Why not try the Deluxe (tweed deluxe), it always sounds great.
Me: OK.
(we try it, it sounds cool, but too ratty or something by itself)
Steve Albini: Hey, I'll just rig up a biamp thingy and you can run the Matchless/Marshall/whatever along with the Deluxe.
Me: OK. (Internal hate for the idea as I hate tone-sucking splitter boxes and stomp boxes and shit)
(I play it and it sounds like the big amp to me because I can't hear the Deluxe over the screaming big amp in the room)
Steve: Sounds good in here.
Me: OK
(We record and mix record and it sounds good.)

As I recall, the little amp is usually mixed in to a small degree, i.e., we have a dominant sound (usually the big amp) that is flavored to a small degree by the Deluxe.

You will be trying a clean amp with a dirty amp, which is cool. Tim Midyett ran a setup like this (that selfsame Deluxe and some sort of clean amp) on a song called "Lure of Beauty" on Firewater, lo those many years ago. It sounds cool! I think that Brian Orchard may have done this on some .22 and/or Light Coma stuff too, but not positive on that one.
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Re: Hey, Andrew B. Cohen

Postby tallchris on Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:41 pm

Dude, Andy, thanks for all of this! This was kind of my thinking, Marshall or whatever as the basis of the sound, and another amp to fill it in a bit.
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Re: Hey, Andrew B. Cohen

Postby tmidgett on Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:22 pm

tallchris wrote:Dude, Andy, thanks for all of this! This was kind of my thinking, Marshall or whatever as the basis of the sound, and another amp to fill it in a bit.


We have also tried biamping many times and had it sound dumb, esp on bass. I have never once biamped bass and thought it was cool.

But on Shade, it happened to be the thing that worked for both bari and gtr.

Part of it for gtr was that the baritone sounded so totally enormous bi-amped that the guitar needed some variety so we had options in mixing.
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Re: Hey, Andrew B. Cohen

Postby Jodi S. on Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:28 pm

Andrew B. Cohen wrote:That whiny little voice is heard in Krasnow
Such a whiny little voice is heard in Lvov
It's a beautiful dream for 1940
Let's call Jodl and have a party in Warsaw


Perhaps this belongs in the "Lyrics You Sing Wrong Because They Make You Laugh" but I sing the last line as

Let's call Jodi/and have a party in Woodside

I know, I know. Conflicting feelings.
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Re: Hey, Andrew B. Cohen

Postby Andrew B. Cohen on Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:03 pm

Jodi, your recast lyrics are so much more life affirming!
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Re: Hey, Andrew B. Cohen

Postby Hosoi on Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:38 pm

Hey, Andrew B. Cohen,

How are you? I'm still fixated on Orange amps!

I am wondering, has anyone from Orange tried to make you play their gear?

Seems like 33% the time I go see a band, they are using Orange. Something is going on. Orange is way too expensive and bad sounding for all these bands to be using it unless there is some sort of deal. I saw one of the coolest bands on earth play with fucking Orange cabinets! It didn't make me think Orange was suddenly cool. It made me think something is going on.

Maybe you know?

Sponsorship seems weird, even if you are using the stuff already, like get off my back with your poison! Shackle me not! Go talk to a lawyer!

Sorry, just kidding about that last part.

Sincerely,

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Re: Hey, Andrew B. Cohen

Postby biscuitdough on Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:24 am

Hosoi wrote:Seems like 33% the time I go see a band, they are using Orange


IAMNFMABC, but I think they backline a lot of festivals and have pushed to make themselves the new standard in pro rentals. So there's the high end of the spectrum covered. Their $400 solid state guitar head is the best sounding (new) option in the price range, and no more shittily built than any other $400 amp. So that's probably a factor, too.
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Re: Hey, Andrew B. Cohen

Postby Andrew B. Cohen on Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:45 pm

Hi Hosoi!

I have never been approached by Orange or anyone else to play their gear. Under the radar, 30 years and counting!

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Re: Hey, Andrew B. Cohen

Postby llllllllllllllllllllllll on Thu May 19, 2016 11:00 am

Hi Andrew B. Cohen!

My band is recording for the first time in July. We're going to track maybe two songs in one and mix another day. Do you have any advice for a novice when it comes to recording guitar and the dreaded vocals?

Thanks!
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Re: Hey, Andrew B. Cohen

Postby motorbike guy on Thu May 19, 2016 11:19 am

I am not Andy, but from my experience, make sure you are happy with your guitar sound in the control room and coming off the tape/hard drive. If it is not what you want, fix it before you start recording takes.

Each time i have recorded with a band, the guy stuck a 57 against the grill cloth and it sounded like fizzy crap. And I said nothing, because I was so happy to be recording, and I figured it would all work out somehow. It did not.
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Re: Hey, Andrew B. Cohen

Postby Hosoi on Wed May 25, 2016 12:47 am

Hey, Andrew B. Cohen,

Andrew B. Cohen wrote:I have never been approached by Orange or anyone else to play their gear. Under the radar, 30 years and counting!

This is great!

When you have a minute, after good old llllllllllllllllllllllll, I am wondering, what's so great about being in tune?

I've seen these guys who tune after every song. I've seen guys tune mid song! Who cares?

One theory is that they're huge and the PSI on the strings is like elephants. So they're really out of tune. The other theory is that they are nervous and they have to do something. Either way, they truly, very seriously, care about being in tune.

I think who cares, but I'm not a high quality shredder like you.
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