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Re: Fearsome and mammoth cults thread

Postby oswaldwen on Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:48 pm

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skoz wrote:I grew up in this organization:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_U ... Triumphant

They should have gone with "Church Universal 'N' Triumphant"


Ha ha

Some of you may have heard of this group due to the classic anti rock and roll lectures which were my first exposure to Slayer, Dead Kennedys and a number of other groups

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Whoevers preaching in this recording would make an excellent speed rapper. Also he mentioned MJ twice and I chuckled when he said David Booie
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They used to show their films on Public Access in the 90s and my friends and I would watch for Ruth Norman's wardrobe. She knew how to lead a cult in style.

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Here's some photos some dude took of their El Cajon headquarters:

http://scoopzone.blogspot.com/2007/01/o ... world.html

I think they also were on a Craig Kilborn episode of the Daily Show.


I remember Jello Biafra did an interview with these guys
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The Aum Shinrikyo cult in Japan always fascinated me. Motherfuckers had the creepiest promotional shit
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They would just seem like your usual dorky cult but these people commited legit terrorist attacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack

The police raided there compound and found Ebola, Anthrax, Explosives, Labrotories with drugs, a crude truth serum, and cells with prisoners.

Creepy stuff.

One thing I never get about cult leaders is there need to be commit crimes and break the law. Fucking Manson could have just sat back smoked weed and got laid but he had to go murder people.
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Re: Fearsome and mammoth cults thread

Postby skoz on Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:01 pm

oswaldwen wrote:
skoz wrote:
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skoz wrote:I grew up in this organization:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_U ... Triumphant

They should have gone with "Church Universal 'N' Triumphant"


Ha ha

Some of you may have heard of this group due to the classic anti rock and roll lectures which were my first exposure to Slayer, Dead Kennedys and a number of other groups

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Whoevers preaching in this recording would make an excellent speed rapper. Also he mentioned MJ twice and I chuckled when he said David Booie


That's called decreeing pretty much everyone involved in the church can do that. I still can do a few of the regular ones.
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Re: Fearsome and mammoth cults thread

Postby ERawk on Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:57 pm

oswaldwen wrote:I remember Jello Biafra did an interview with these guys
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I found the Dangerous Minds post about the Jello interview:

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/jell ... age_found1

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Re: Fearsome and mammoth cults thread

Postby numberthirty on Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:05 pm

Damn. Page three delivers.
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Re: Fearsome and mammoth cults thread

Postby numberthirty on Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:07 pm

oswaldwen wrote:One thing I never get about cult leaders is there need to be commit crimes and break the law. Fucking Manson could have just sat back smoked weed and got laid but he had to go murder people.


There is a whole "why" to that one.
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Re: Fearsome and mammoth cults thread

Postby numberthirty on Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:13 pm

While the film as a whole is terrible and it is only a "cinematic" cult, Epy Kusnandar is pretty compelling in V/H/S/2.
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Re: Fearsome and mammoth cults thread

Postby oswaldwen on Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:15 am

numberthirty wrote:
oswaldwen wrote:One thing I never get about cult leaders is there need to be commit crimes and break the law. Fucking Manson could have just sat back smoked weed and got laid but he had to go murder people.


There is a whole "why" to that one.


Well yeah theres a why for nearly every one. I just like to use Manson for shorthand as he had it pretty fucking solid for a cult leader. Drugs, women, money, budding career in making shitty folk music, etc.

Koresh would probably been a better example. I mean Koresh had everything Manson had minus the drugs but he decided he had to go fuck children. Like why would you fucking do this if you have complete control of a community. Your literally a dictator of your community as long as you don't piss the government off but you throw it all away.

Honestly if you want to go deep into the "why" Manson and Koresh had an incredibly similar life story. Born out of wedlock, abandoned father, did poor in school, etc. I always thought that was interesting.
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Re: Fearsome and mammoth cults thread

Postby goatlord on Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:16 am

oswaldwen wrote:Koresh would probably been a better example. I mean Koresh had everything Manson had minus the drugs but he decided he had to go fuck children. Like why would you fucking do this if you have complete control of a community. Your literally a dictator of your community as long as you don't piss the government off but you throw it all away.


Well, pedophiles are not commonly know for being the most sensible people regarding their sexual life...

The Order of the Solar Temple is another "good" cult. Creepy, deluded, obsessed with secretiveness, filled with rich people and met a very strange end.

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Re: Fearsome and mammoth cults thread

Postby biscuitdough on Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:28 am

It's not surprising at all that cult leaders abuse their followers terribly. The drive to have power over others is tied to a fundamental belief that others exist only for exploitation, and this is the same belief that drives animal cruelty, child molestation, serial rape and murder, etc.

It's not about having your needs met, living in luxury, being adored or having easy access to sex, whatever. These people aren't goal-oriented. The more their egos are fed, the more they expand and want more, so they can't ever reach a milestone where they'll say, "I'm satisfied".

They're insatiable, pragmatic, elitist and exploitative. Capitalist values.
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Re: Fearsome and mammoth cults thread

Postby Angus Jung on Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:44 am

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skoz wrote:Some of you may have heard of this group due to the classic anti rock and roll lectures which were my first exposure to Slayer, Dead Kennedys and a number of other groups

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That shit is hilarious! I'm pretty sure I heard this before. Did Negativland sample it?


Yeah Negativland did sample an one point and there were a couple bootlegs of tapes meant for church followers released for record collector types. As funny as some of it seems now, that organization took advantage of quite a few people and had a pretty negative affect on me and my family.

Seymour Glass and the other folks in that 80s/90s SF Bay Area noise/weirdo crew that were behind the "Bananafish" 'zine (including Gregg Turkington) - they were really into Elizabeth Clare Prophet.
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Re: Fearsome and mammoth cults thread

Postby Goddamn Miracle on Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:27 am

ERawk wrote:
oswaldwen wrote:I remember Jello Biafra did an interview with these guys
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I found the Dangerous Minds post about the Jello interview:

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/jell ... age_found1

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I have to write this somewhere: Sexy Octogenarian Cult Leader.

M'kay
just as I thought.

Also I found this in the search engine:

http://www.electricalaudio.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=53939&hilit=that+women
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Re: Fearsome and mammoth cults thread

Postby PEPPER! on Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:51 am

my only real run in with this kind of shit was when I subbed in an English-language school in Lisbon, Portugal for a few months in the early 90s. a bunch of the kids there, maybe 1 in 4 at the school, lived in the same huge apartment complex that was run by an "international business group" consisting of mostly professional Jewish guys from the UK and North America and their nice looking and way younger Scandinavian wives. from what I understood they lived communally and the kids were often expected to supervise each other in separate apartments from their parents. wife-swapping & orgies on the adult side of the compound and lots of pack animal/Lord of the Flies shit going on with the kids. for the most part the kids were rude and unruly as fuck and showed a lot of overtly sexualized behavior, even the prepubescent ones. you couldn't report stuff to the parents as they were always out of the country on business. apparently they would call you an anti-Semite and get you fired if you did criticize their kid. as this group contributed a quarter of the school's tuition everybody pretty much had to tow the line. I was advised to just do my best to shield the other kids from the worst of that group. I think they got run out of the country a few years later and landed in Central America.
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Re: Fearsome and mammoth cults thread

Postby oswaldwen on Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:07 pm

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oswaldwen wrote:Koresh would probably been a better example. I mean Koresh had everything Manson had minus the drugs but he decided he had to go fuck children. Like why would you fucking do this if you have complete control of a community. Your literally a dictator of your community as long as you don't piss the government off but you throw it all away.


Well, pedophiles are not commonly know for being the most sensible people regarding their sexual life...


Well yeah

Koresh did have a history of pedophilia before hand. He also probably thought he could get away with it too.

Cracked had an article recently that was about being involved in a cult that ended in murder.
http://www.cracked.com/article_21434_7-insane-lessons-from-inside-apocalyptic-cult.html
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Re: Fearsome and mammoth cults thread

Postby oswaldwen on Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:19 pm

biscuitdough wrote:It's not surprising at all that cult leaders abuse their followers terribly. The drive to have power over others is tied to a fundamental belief that others exist only for exploitation, and this is the same belief that drives animal cruelty, child molestation, serial rape and murder, etc.

It's not about having your needs met, living in luxury, being adored or having easy access to sex, whatever. These people aren't goal-oriented. The more their egos are fed, the more they expand and want more, so they can't ever reach a milestone where they'll say, "I'm satisfied".

They're insatiable, pragmatic, elitist and exploitative. Capitalist values.


Your probably correct on this. Ive always been fascinated by the minds of cult leaders. Alot of followers of cult leaders are just normal people being abused and exploited. But there something different about the mind of a cult leader. Like Manson did some shit before the murders that was incredibly ballsy.
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Re: Fearsome and mammoth cults thread

Postby Clyde on Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:45 am

Has anybody seen the Synanon film?

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Re: Fearsome and mammoth cults thread

Postby biscuitdough on Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:57 am

oswaldwen wrote:Your probably correct on this. Ive always been fascinated by the minds of cult leaders. Alot of followers of cult leaders are just normal people being abused and exploited. But there something different about the mind of a cult leader. Like Manson did some shit before the murders that was incredibly ballsy.


Like pimping out teenage girls?
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Re: Fearsome and mammoth cults thread

Postby oswaldwen on Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:44 pm

biscuitdough wrote:
oswaldwen wrote:Your probably correct on this. Ive always been fascinated by the minds of cult leaders. Alot of followers of cult leaders are just normal people being abused and exploited. But there something different about the mind of a cult leader. Like Manson did some shit before the murders that was incredibly ballsy.


Like pimping out teenage girls?


Not really thats just usual scumbag behavior. I was more referring to an incident were a father of one of Mansons followers put a shotgun to him told him he was about to die only for Manson to invite him to shoot. Manson then proceeded to talk to the guy about love and persuaded him to take LSD and accept the situation.
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Re: Fearsome and mammoth cults thread

Postby Clyde on Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:50 pm

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Clyde wrote:For example, while most Christian denominations are not cults


Sure they are, they are the accepted cults, currently. All religions are cults, an all began as what we consider "cults" these days.


I find a lot of atheists or the anti-religious hold this sentiment. There is a much larger conversation to be had but let me explain briefly why I don't agree.

Firstly, I don't think anybody knows or can know how all religions began. Perhaps we can looks at relatively young religions not generally regarded as cults like Mormonism or Rastafari and find cultic roots. It wouldn't surprise me a bit, honestly, although I don't know enough about either to have an opinion on the matter. But even if they (or even religions) started as cults, it doesn't follow that they all remain cults. What defines a cult is not a belief in supernatural beliefs and not all cults are religious.

A few key differences between a cult and a non-cultic religion.

-Cults are basically long term scams. They use deceptive recruiting to get people involved. If you're interested in converting to Judaism, for example, you could go to a rabbi or a practitioner and ask her what the tenets of the religion are, the practices, the costs, the expectations etc. Cults will not do this. They are vague about the beliefs or even outright lie. They may try to literally seduce somebody into joining (Children of God's "flirty fishing, for example). Once you do get involved you discover there are different levels, which you are pressured to attain by spending a lot of money.

-There are no altruistic cults. I'm not saying all religions are altruistic. There are obviously plenty of hucksters and self-serving despicable people. But there can be no cult version of Martin Luther's reformation or Martin Luther King's civil-rights advocacy. Anything a cult does is only to further the cult.
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Re: Fearsome and mammoth cults thread

Postby jimmy two hands on Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:35 pm

Three pages and no mention of Heaven's Gate?

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Re: Fearsome and mammoth cults thread

Postby Redline on Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:13 pm

oswaldwen wrote:
Manson did some shit before the murders that was incredibly ballsy

...And not-so-ballsy...
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