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Postby orangetree on Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:29 am

Hi, I have a question for anyone who knew Jason Molina or knows anyone who knew Jason Molina.

Everything that I have written is in the public domain already in interviews or song lyrics or film clips. I am not writing anything private or secret. I have found out everything through materials already in the public domain, by assembling together texts of songs, film clips, interviews etc covering the period 1996-2016.

In an article on Jason Molina's death I read from The Chicago Reader, it quoted people who knew him saying Jason Molina was a liar and they would get together and talk about stuff he said and try and work out what was true.

I have been researching musicians in his indie music circle for the last year, and all of them have lied a lot over the past 18 years about their lives and songs, but Jason Molina is the only one who has been called out as a liar publicly like this.

Does anyone know what he said? And who started calling him a liar?

His wife said he said he had affairs but she thought he was lying, but he was friends with this bunch of musicians connected to a secret sado-masochistic sex ring involving Will Oldham and Nick Cave and The Dirty Three and Joanna Newsom, and there are organised crime connections as well through the sadist creep Sue Schofield who is Will Oldham's Italian-American girlfriend/pimp. Nick Cave and David Berman and Bill Callahan have all had heroin or crack addictions.

They have lied about their lives for almost 20 years by now.

I live in Australia and was a fan of indie music like Pavement, Palace, Smog, Songs: Ohia, The Silver Jews, Lambchop, etc in the 90s and me and my friend phoned Drag City in 1996-1997 asking for the first Palace and Smog tours to Australia.

My particular issue is that Will Oldham and Bill Callahan and other musicians have since 1998 written a number of songs etc referring to me. I never met Bill Callahan, and I only said 5 words to Will Oldham after he took my book without asking.

I met Will Oldham briefly in 1998 in Australia when I was 19, and that year my then 17 year old friend met Bill Callahan of Smog when she went to Sydney by herself, and she later met Will Oldham when she went to Sydney by herself.

She said when she met Will Oldham that he was with a "skanky looking older woman" which fits the description of Will Oldham's Italian-American sadist creep girlfriend/pimp Sue Schofield.

We didn't know that Bill Callahan was angry at Will Oldham for having an affair with Cindy Dall in the mid 1990s. Bill Callahan has had a 20 year revenge feud with Will Oldham due to this affair.

I am pretty sure the sadist creep is connected to organised crime in Kentucky since Will Oldham sings about her pimping him out, and David Berman called his 2005 Silver Jews record Tanglewood Numbers, and Tanglewood is a organised crime sort of place with drugs and guns and pimps. His wife Cassie Berman is from Louisville too like the sadist creep.

Joanna Newsom sings that the sadist helped her co-write the song Inflammatory Writ on The Milk Eyed Mender and she dressed like the sadist at the time in this weird Renaissance Fair or D&D Bondage Dungeon Mistress style. On the record Have One On Me she sings the sadist is a "sickly princess of Kentucky".

The sadist has a totalitarian Russia thing happening that Will Oldham refers to on Master And Everyone where the title refers to the Bulgakov novel Master and Margarita set in Totalitarian Russia where the Devil and his retinue went to Moscow and caused evil and havoc, and Rowland S Howard asks on Pop Crimes if the sadist was "Stalin's secret daughter?"

Joanna Newsom holds a sickle scythe looking thing on the cover of Ys like the Soviet emblem, and also holds a framed dead pinned butterfly representing me after she sings cruel songs about me on The Milk Eyed Mender and again on Ys.

But I can't find any Russian connection — the only secret intelligence agency connection I can find is Bill Callahan who has said his parents worked as secret intelligence agents for the NSA, but he lived in the UK in the 1980s so I think his parents must have been spies for another secret agency then since there was hardly any internet for the NSA to spy on in the 80s and I don't think there was even NSA offices in the UK then. Probably they were CIA agents in the UK for the end of the Cold War I would guess.

Nick Cave has referred to me in books and songs, and I never met him, but he has had an S&M affair with the sadist creep and works with Warren Ellis from The Dirty Three who were playing with Will Oldham when I met him in 1998, and also Mick Turner and Jim White played on Cat Power's Moon Pix which has songs about me (Cross Bones Style and Colours And The Kids).

I have heard from people Nick Cave has had a long history as a junkie and was using when he was saying publicly he was clean, and since the sadist creep is connected to organised crime he was probably scoring heroin from her as well as being in the secret sado-masochistic sex ring.

Mick Turner is called The Marquis de Tren on his work with Will Oldham, after the Marquis de Sade, Matt Sweeney has Tweeted Jim White is a "Master" like they call the sadist creep Sue Schofield, and Henry Rollins implies Nick Cave and Warren Ellis were doing S&M in small rooms in an interview I read when he was asking Nick Cave about Mick Harvey's departure from The Bad Seeds.

Mick Harvey has referred to me on his Sketches From The Book Of The Dead record, and he also played on Rowland S Howard's Pop Crimes record which refers to me as well.

In a recent film clip Mick Harvey refers to the movie Alphaville.

Nick Cave has also referred to the book 1984 on his new record The Skeleton Tree, which he was writing when I was emailing his management ATC Management complaints about him referring to me in The Sick Bag Song and The Legend Of Bunny Munro.

Mick Harvey sings that the sadist creep had strange connections, and money was changing hands, and no one knew the score.

I can't get a straight answer from any of these musicians, Mick Harvey made jokes to his manager that went over his head, telling him to email me saying Nick Cave's song about Will Oldham called Dig Lazarus Dig was about Larry "Ratso" Sloman who is the Dr Watson character in Kinky Friedman detective books and also is a real person who is friends with Howard Stern, and saying his song Famous Last Words is simply a collection of famous people's last words — and his manager didn't know the black humour expression where you tell someone "famous last words" if you think they are doing something reckless.

The main record companies involved are Drag City, and Jagjaguwar, and Secretly Canadian.

Reading the article here about Jason Molina's death:

http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/ja ... d=15163643

as well as people calling him a liar but not saying what he said that they thought was unbelievable lies — his turn to drinking too much and being depressed happened at the key period when the sadist and Bill Callahan were manipulating people to ruin my life 2003-2006 and then afterwards Molina never got out of this.

You can see a similar trajectory in Will Oldham's career as well, with a downward slide from Master And Everyone, then a even more steep downward slide from 2006's The Letting Go onwards.

Mick Harvey sings that after this Will Oldham kept singing about me in songs and lost his pride, singing that in this song we are one, since he was so miserable.

Stephen Malkmus made 2 very bitter records after Real Emotional Trash. David Berman stopped making records after Look Out Mountain Look Out Sea, saying or else he would write "the answer song to Shiny Happy People".

Bill Callahan sings on Baby' Breath on Apocalypse that he weeded me out, but then he realised I was a flower not a weed, and then he learnt that you reap what you sow, or what you sing.

But he didn't contact me and kept lying anyhow and now its 2016 and he still hasn't apologised to me and I hope he goes to gaol for a long time for this.

What he meant about weeding me out on the song Baby's Breath on Apocalypse was the same thing that he sings about on Drover which is a song referring to the famous Australian short story The Drover's Wife, on Drover he sings "this wild wild country, takes a strong, breaks a strong mind" —

In late 2005 Joanna Newsom and Bill Callahan toured Austraila as a couple, but I found out recently Bill Callahan slept with the 17 year old support act after the Melbourne concert (I knew her slightly as the ex-girlfirend of a friend's friend).

They played games with me from the stage at 2 concerts in Melbourne and Castlemaine, and induced me to have a psychological breakdown.

I talked to someone in the S&M scene and they said that inducing psychological breakdowns is a S&M technique, although its not commonly used, and they only saw one sadist using this technique on a woman, where he induced her to have multiple psychological breakdowns.

The breakdown Smog and Joanna Newsom induced culminated in August 2006 when I had a psychotic episode the day after hearing Will Oldham's Snow White themed Cursed Sleep EP, where the first song refers to me, I thought it had something to do with me and talked to my housemate about it but we couldn't work out what all the lyrics were and didn't know hardly anything about Will Oldham's life or that he and other musicians had been referring to me since 1998.

Stephen Malkmus sings that there was an indie music Rwandan Genocide around 2005-2007 on Real Emotional Trash, and Alasdair Roberts sings there was a Cruel War.

Does anyone know much about what was happening in American indie music in the early to mid 2000s?

Especially with regards to Drag City and Secretly Canadian, and Jagjaguwar records?

Bon Iver also refers to me on For Emma For Ever Ago. Bon Iver refer to Bonnie Prince Billy — its like Bonnie Vernon. Bill Callahan refers to me as Emma in his Letters To Emma Bowlcut epistolary novel. I get referred to as Emily or Milly or Emily Dickinson by Will Oldham and Joanna Newsom and The Trembling Bells.

I live in Australia so I can't go around interviewing people in America about what has been happening over there with indie record labels and indie bands since 1998.

Has anyone heard anything about money changing hands and this sadist creep who has strange connections?

Does anyone know what Jason Molina was supposed to be lying about?

All these musicians have been lying about their lives and songs since 1998 — but Jason Molina was singled out as a liar.

I have written to the media about this and none of them publish anything and keep publishing puff pieces on the bands instead of printing this scandal and crime I have told them about for months.

Does anyone know anything much about these bands and how come so many American bands including lots of weird freak folk bands stalked me?

What happened in American indie music in the early-mid 2000s?

Why does Mick Harvey refer to Alphaville and Nick Cave refers to 1984?
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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby Dave N. on Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:53 am

I have written, recorded, and released at least two dozen songs about you, and I can see you through the lens of all of your IT devices.
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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby orangetree on Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:04 am

Hi, I am not joking.

I have more information about this as PDFs but it is too much to put in a post on a comment board, its not assembled all together or finished yet, but it will be like PhD size when its done. I have thousands of words of analysis and research.
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Postby Janeway on Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:05 am

isnt it obvious bill callahan is in love with will oldham? going as far as to date his ideal woman not for any feelings toward the woman herself, buut to impress ol will? i bet il billy l0oked cat power in the eyes and said "wow you look liek winona huh?" and she said "no i look like cat power" and billy c said "hmm.. wino not forever. youre not a feminist, and youre not cool enough to listen to bonnie prince billy or sonic youth or read the prf over my shoulder"

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Postby Janeway on Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:09 am

orangetree wrote:Joanna Newsom holds a sickle scythe looking thing on the cover of Ys like the Soviet emblem, and also holds a framed dead pinned butterfly representing me after she sings cruel songs about me on The Milk Eyed Mender and again on Ys.

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dead pinned butterflies are placed there by observers, to keep them as pretty and floral crowned as possible to preserve them at their best.. which i guess wasnt in flight outdoors
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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby Mason on Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:12 am

I hope you find peace, orangetree,

But Jason Molina has died. Please don't include him in this.
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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby OrthodoxEaster on Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:41 am

Janeway wrote:wino not forever


Why? Is it just b/c he's getting old and playing an acoustic from time to time?

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Postby bdm on Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:02 am

Uhhhhhh... what?
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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby orangetree on Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:09 am

Jason Molina has referred to Will Oldham on songs and to the sadist on songs.

The cover of his last Songs Ohia record Magnolia Electric Co is very similar to Will Oldham's Superwolf record.

There is a sea at the bottom — the Sadist is called "the sea" by Will Oldham, Joanna Newsom, and Nick Cave and others.

There is a sad looking owl, instead of the bloody hand reaching out of the sea in Superwolf.

And there is a cloud with a bolt of lightening like the lightening on the cover of Smog's Knock, Knock which refers to Will Oldham's Palace Days In The Wake song Pushkin — the lines he steals from Metallica saying "Pushkin rides the lightening".

Pushkin died in a duel over his wife having an affair.

Bill Callahan hates Will Oldham since he had an affair with Cindy Dall, she was Bill Callahan's best girlfriend, I don't think he was that nice about her since he complains on Wild Love about her giving him yoghurt to eat, but that was the only time I ever saw him happy and honest in his whole career I have followed since the mid 1990s.

Bill Callahan's song My Friend from Sometimes I Wish We Were An Eagle is about Will Oldham, and as well as growling it goes along something like "I looked all around and I couldn't find it written down I love you my friend"

It isn't written down before then since all Bill Callahan's songs about Will Oldham are mean or about hating him after the affair with Cindy Dall.

Jason Molina was part of this group of people since the 90s, his life went down hill after the Songs Ohia
Magnolia Electric Co record, and the cover has imagery used by Will Oldham and Bill Callahan elsewhere, and he refers to Will Oldham and the sadist in songs, and on Magnolia Electric Co sings he is going away but he will be back again — but Jason Molina never came back after that record, his life just went more and more downhill, like Will Oldham's life went downhill from the same period.
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Postby Zorg on Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:03 am

Finally this board is back on track. Thanks for those infos orangetree, I'm going to need to five this some careful consideration.
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Postby Wood Goblin on Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:11 am

Orangetree, do you comment at Crooked Timber too? A person there has also claimed to be the subject of Will Oldham songs.

You seem to be a smart, thoughtful, and empathetic person, but please seek help. What you believe has happened has no basis in reality, and I suspect you probably realize this from time to time.
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Postby Tommy on Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:23 am

That "butterfly" is a moth. Clearly mistaken identity.
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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby orangetree on Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:29 am

Yes I comment on Crooked Timber as well.

It was pretty lucky John Holbo kindly alluded to me several times that Will Oldham did S&M in 2015 or else I would never have worked it out.

Everything I have written is true.

Bill Callahan hates Will Oldham due to the affair with Cindy Dall and has had a 20 year revenge feud with him writing many songs about hating him.

Will Oldham's girlfriend Sue Schofield is a sadist creep with connections to organised crime in Kentucky.

Nick Cave is part of the sado-masochistic sex ring, probably the Dirty Three linked him up with it. Mick Harvey was his true friend, but Warren Ellis and the sadist pushed him out of the Bad Seeds.

David Berman stalked me and sexually harassed me on his last 2 Silver Jews records Tanglwood Numbers and Look Out Mountain Look Out Sea.

David Berman was connected to the sadist creep since the early 2000s — he calls her a black eyed susan in a song since she got a black eye no doubt from being sadistic. He had a crack addiction and asked Richard Berman for about US45,0000 for drug dealer debts and made a suicide attempt in the early 2000s before helping the sadist creep give "guidance" to Will Oldham on his self parody country record Bonnie "Prince" Billy Sings Greatest Palace Music, where they got Harmony Korine to be racist in the No More Workhorse Blues film clip and depict me in black face and lynch an effigy of me at the end.

There are references to things that happened after 1998 when my former friend met Bill Callahan and Will Oldham, so I think she stayed in contact with the sadist after that and secretly she hated me and wasn't my friend actually.
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Postby OrthodoxEaster on Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:47 am

orange tree wrote:and saying his song Famous Last Words is simply a collection of famous people's last words — and his manager didn't know the black humour expression where you tell someone "famous last words" if you think they are doing something reckless.


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Postby regular username on Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:51 am

sounds like psychotic delusions to me. ask a psychiatrist, get a diagnosis and maybe a prescription for meds, then talk to a therapist. they can help you
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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby orangetree on Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:12 pm

No, what I am writing is true I am not suffering from delusions.

I have spent about 1 year doing research on them and their songs, after Will Oldham refused to give me an explanation for why he was singing about me when I emailed him for a second time at the end of 2014.

I had emailed Will Oldham in late 2013 after he put up an email address for his Self_Titled Bonnie "Prince" Billy record, where he sang he was breaking up with the sadist creep, then on a radio interview he said he was going back to watch a show about carnivals with her (she has a carnival thing going on like the Totalitarian thing going on, that's why Will Oldham's 2010 record is called The Wondershow Of The World, Joanna Newsom's Ys from 2006 has sideshow character songs like Sawdust And Diamonds and Monkey and Bear, and Nick Cave did the Grinderman records from about 2007 like at a carnival you have an organ grinder).

When I emailed him I didn't want to ask him if he had been writing songs about me like I suspected, since I read interviews with him and he just always lied about things, including his birthday which I have read him give 3 dates for over the years.

So I asked him about his Palace Records company Corrections Policy, and said he used the word hubris wrongly in his book Will Oldham On Bonnie "Prince" Billy in relation to climate change.

Then Will Oldham put out a film clip of him singing a revised version — which is like a corrected version — of Black Captain from Wolfroy Goes To Town, for the Greenpeace Climate Change activist Peter Wilcox.

For his record Wolfroy Goes To Town Will Oldham actually played a concert in my town in Australia. I stayed home the whole weekend to avoid him.

This was his first tour of Australia since the early 2006 Superwolf tour before he released The Letting Go.

Then in 2014 Will Oldham's record was a revised version of Wolfroy Goes To Town called Singer's Grave A Sea Of Tongues.

The Sea Of Tongues has 2 meanings — one is all the tongues in the gross bondage dungeons, and two is all the confusing songs that don't make sense unless you spend about a year doing research and analysis like I have done now, since he refused to give me an explanation when I asked him.

Also maybe if the sadist is connected to organised crime he was worried he would get his tongue cut off and thrown into the sea or something.
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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby total_douche on Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:51 pm

Oh, man, this is more entertaining than that time when this person at the Foo Fighters board faked their death and then came back years later under an alias and started being a dick to everybody.

The internet: everlasting amusement (and porn).
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Postby iembalm on Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:03 pm

Is it still libel if the person in question is certifiably ill?
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Postby sitwell on Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:04 pm

I just spent an entire hour of my life trying to figure out what the hell is happening in this thread and I give up.
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Postby Smitty Yeagermanjensen on Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:24 pm

Today was my first foray back into the General Discussion area since FM Janeway took it over, and I must say I'm impressed. For now, advantage: FM orangetree.
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