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Postby bishopdante on Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:18 am

Oh my... what have we here?

https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/13/samsung-harman/

Samsung is buying Harman for $8B to further its connected car push

“Harman perfectly complements Samsung in terms of technologies, products and solutions, and joining forces is a natural extension of the automotive strategy we have been pursuing for some time,”

So... on the list of Harman Intl companies which will become part of the Samsung chaebol we have...:

Studer
AKG
JBL
Martin Audio
Crown
Dbx
Lexicon
Soundcraft
Selenium
AMX
Harman Kardon
Mark Levinson

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Also interesting to note that in 1976, Sidney Harman accepted an appointment in the Carter administration as undersecretary of the United States Department of Commerce.

He was also chairman of the Executive Committee of the Board of the Public Agenda Foundation; chairman of the Executive Committee of the Board of Business Executives for National Security; a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Council on Competitiveness.

He also bought newsweek for $1, at 91. Then died.

His wife seems pretty much 10x the politician, and plenty of shady on the bush era introduction of "warrantless wiretaps" and "special renditions."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Harman

Representing the aerospace center of California during her nine terms in Congress, she served on all the major security committees: six years on Armed Services, eight years on Intelligence, and eight on Homeland Security. She made numerous congressional fact-finding missions to hotspots around the world, including North Korea, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Guantanamo Bay. During her long public career, Harman has been recognized as a national expert at the nexus of security and public policy issues. She received the Defense Department Medal for Distinguished Service in 1998, the CIA Agency Seal Medal in 2007, and the CIA Director’s Award and the Director of National Intelligence Distinguished Public Service Medal in 2011.


How peculiar.

Do let me know when we escape the plot of Robocop 1.
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Re: Samsung eats Studer, AKG, JBL etc for "in car entertainm

Postby total_douche on Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:47 am

bishopdante wrote:He also bought newsweek for $1, at 91. Then died. Do let me know when we escape the plot of Robocop 1.


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Re: Samsung eats Studer, AKG, JBL etc for "in car entertainm

Postby geiginni on Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:05 am

Ooooh, yes. How nefarious.

The worlds largest flat panel display and smart device making chaebol wants a piece of the connected car business that accounts for about 80% of Harman's revenue stream. Harman acquired AMX about 3-4 years ago because they wanted smarter control integration, including deleopment paths to better voice recognition within their connected car portfolio. So far, we still have AMX and the core business -which now includes their acquisition of SVSi, left mostly intact, for their video/AV-over-IP transport and switching technologies.

Nobody's going to do shit with any of the Harman Pro lines and brands, because even though they account for only about 10%, with brand licensing making up another 10% on the consumer side, most of the R&D comes out of these brands that makes it into the connected car. So far it looks like the biggest impact will be that I get better support for Samsung pro lines, which has been sorely missing from North America, since they're mainly a consumer juggernaut here.
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Re: Samsung eats Studer, AKG, JBL etc for "in car entertainm

Postby bishopdante on Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:27 pm

It's JBL, Martin and AKG that will suffer most from the corporate direction. Wouldn't be surprised if they sell them off (to behringer?)

As for AMX... hugely overpriced proprietary corporate boardroom gear, which has to be programmed in some 1980s scripting language (for which you have to be a certified developer). Same sort of deal as Crestron. If money is no object, they do some performance equipment for government / military surveillance installs.

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Here's the robocop bit:

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Unedited: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xg078_robot-sentinella_tech

"Suitable airports, military bases... oil & gas storage facilities".

(And border enforcement on the DMZ).

[Although it should be noted that Samsung sold off Techwin, a company they started in 1977 to Hanwha in 2016. Hanwha are also fairly OCP-like as it goes http://www.hanwha.com/en.html, including the CEO Kim Seung-youn being in bed with the mafia [Kkangpae], who were part of his 'personal security', and was arrested and tried for having them beat the crap out of a local karaoke bar: "Prosecutors have said Kim and several bodyguards stormed into an upscale Seoul karaoke bar seeking those who had supposedly put a cut on the forehead of his son in an early March incident. He then seized several workers, shuttled them off to a remote construction site in a mountain area and forced them to their knees while he beat them, employing his fists, a steel pipe and a stun gun. "I ordered my bodyguards to take over because I got tired of beating them myself," he told the court. Just couldn't make it up. OCP of the year award goes to... ].

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Here is a Samsung ultra-deepwater oil drilling ship:

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And here... some development of the Zubair Oil Field... Iraq.

http://www.chemengonline.com/samsung-en ... rintmode=1

Samsung Engineering will be responsible for engineering, procurement, construction and pre-commissioning on a lump-sum turnkey basis to build a gas and oil separation plant (GOSP) with a capacity of 200,000 barrels per stream day (BPSD). The project is located in the Basra region, 480 km southwest of Baghdad, the capital of Iraq. The project is expected to reach completion in 2016. Samsung Engineering’s CEO Park Choong-Heum says, “This contract award is a direct result of proven project execution capabilities and commitment to the Iraqi market since 2012.”


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Another under-advertised example of Samsung's work was building the burj khalifa:

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They're also the largest... life insurance company in South Korea.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Life_Insurance

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Samsung don't just make smartphones and televisions. It's as omni as could be.

Samsung account for 20% of South Korea's GDP.
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Re: Samsung eats Studer, AKG, JBL etc for "in car entertainm

Postby geiginni on Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:52 pm

You're quite daft. The JBL and AKG brands have the most value to Harman, and thus Samsung. They are certainly the ones consumers recognize most and relate the most quality to. It's Harmans "Beats" brand on both sides of the consumer market - extending into the automotive range too.

Yeah, Samsung is a Chaebol, no different than Mitsubishi or United Technologies. Oooh, so sinister!!! They have as much relation between displays and energy services, as Mitsubishi's projectors and imaging has to do with the building stadiums and electrical generation plants.

You obviously haven't kept up with AMX and Crestron, nor the convergence of these technologies with IT and platforms like Watson.

Oooh, giant company! Sinister intentions! Sooo big, and secret....and eeeeevilllLL!!!!
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Re: Samsung eats Studer, AKG, JBL etc for "in car entertainm

Postby bishopdante on Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:07 pm

I'm not saying it's evil per se, I'm suggesting that sprawling industrial conglomerates are... sprawling industrial conglomerates.

geiginni wrote:United Technologies


If for example, they bought the MUSIC group, I'd raise an eyebrow about what would be happening with: Midas, Klark Teknik, Behringer, Turbosound, TC Electronic, Lab.gruppen, Tannoy etc. Certainly.

As it is... it's not exactly ideal having Mr Uli Behringer heading up all of that from the Philippines.

The MUSIC group company is currently building a large new complex, that is currently the largest industrial undertaking in Zhongshan, China. The complex will house a new factory and dormitories for up to 10,000 workers.

(We can assume that going to concerts, cars or in-car-entertainment... not on the menu for the dormitory dwellers).

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As in Robocop One's OCP, the executives in the board room of any huge engineering conglomerate... I'd have no doubt they're quite convinced of the utopian agenda.

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The driving force the matter is that behind Samsung (or United Technologies) is a whole patchwork of hedge funds and investment bank shareholders, and a particular 1950s-USA conception of industrialisation, or "development" and consumersiation.

Cars, Microwave ovens, Refrigerators, high-rise-condos, oil & gas heavy industry, deparment stores (Samsung used to own the Shinsegae deparment store chain, who are also a credit card company, until they were forced to divest these in 1987).

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The management vision being concentrated in executive boards looking at various performance graphs in boardrooms tends to produce a surreal viewpoint of what gets made, and how it gets made. Whether at hedge funds or industrial conglomerates.

Doesn't necessarily promote genuine innovation or solutions or analysis of real-world problems (even if your AMX system can integrate with Watson... and now (tadaa) allows you to include a *web browser* (isn't it amazing).

Marketing is seen as advertising and sales, and markets are seen as cash cows with a predictable future.

Whole marketplaces can be designated as "pointless" by executive managers. Not on the basis of common sense, or engineering... the decision is usually based upon *sales volumes* and *profit*.

Sales and cashflow invariably determine the future of any commercial organisation, and often dictates its decisions and movements.

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I thought that Harman were already a bit too much of a conglomerate in their modus operandi. Samsung's industrial conglomerate structure makes harman look like a small company.

This was the effect of Harman on AKG:

AKG's Austria headquarters will be shut down by June 2017 after almost 70 years. Parent company Harman says it was a difficult decision that they were forced to make due to tough competition in the audio market. The R&D teams that developed their products will not be retained by Harman.

Many people said that AKG's consumer products dropped in quality after production moved to China in 2009.


But... just look at these lovely celebrity-endorsed plastic cans:

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Certainly, when the acquiring company in question is a high volume manufacturer of consumer electronics (which Harman were arguably not)...

...who also do oil extraction in middle eastern warzones, with a strong market share in the lucrative military technology marketplace, making everything from Radar systems to robot sentry guns to tanks... to ultra-luxe skyscrapers in the UAE, we can assume a few things:

Oil + gas = plastics + cars.
Cheap factory labour = China

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Thinking in terms of $bn markets, product lines will either have corporate/military customers paying "money is no object" per control room / boardroom installation or heavy industrial site, or that an item will shift consumer items in the hundreds of millions of units globally.

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The same problem applies to Apple, which is a much more focused company than Samsung. Apple have been concentrating on being a consumer box-shifter (although there is a rumour they are making... a car, I somehow doubt they'll go into offshore oil drilling engineering).

Many people have been expressing that apple's professional equipment is increasingly watered down and conventional, that innovation for professional users is lagging.

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When eMagic (berlin-based makers of logic audio) were bought by Apple, years back, the engineering teams were cherry-picked to build core technology for the backbone of apple's business, and development of Logic slowed down to a crawl. Simply not a priority or "big market" in Apple's portfolio. Professional users are not apple's priority post-smartphone.

By the same virtue, I can totally imagine that AKG/JBL/Selenium will be positioned as television/car speakers/headphones, and also corporate boardroom gear, also making "Internet of things" bluetooth stereos... rather than public address or studio equipment. We all know what bankers think of the music & record business's financial performance past decade or so post-internet.

Can certainly see where AMX fit in, and they will probably benefit from samsung's semiconductor and screen technology. I could see their stuff being turned into all sorts of home automation / in store display systems, and that AMX's proprietary RTOS (http://www.kadak.com/rtos/rtos.htm with its amusing DOS file manager: http://www.kadak.com/html/kdkp1018.htm) will get converged/made intercompatible with Android in various ways. Who knows, though.

Hard to say what will happen. It does seem clear that globalisation is increasingly driven by increasingly huge conglomerates, financed and owned by hedge funds.

As for Studer and Martin, I don't see where they fit into Samsung's corporate direction or vision of society.

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The root of what I find disagreeable about the set of concepts is to do with the industrialisation pattern. Particularly the emphasis on the car.

As a type of transport infrastructure, cars are simply ludicrous design objects. The idea that billions of people are trekking about in steel boxes weighing over a tonne, bored out of their minds and exposed to significant mechanical hazards, it seems really misguided.

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In car entertaiment?... I find it far more questionable.

What the f**k are people doing in all these cars (in Beijing)?!

Entertainment?!

Growth?!

NB: that red thing is a toll-booth.

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The idea of the internet as a form of information/data infrastructure is a great idea, because it offers new ways of doing things. It offers new possibilities for organisation and management, and also offers a solution to the suburban commuter model of employment.

Automating and simulating all sorts of infrastructure-level design changes to how cities and the environment works... to get away from consumerism and onto a more sustainable path... I'm not seeing a lot of that about.

Plenty of cookie-cutter industrialisation and corporate profiteering, especially in the past decade.

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Where the corporate vision becomes more perverse is when industrialisation/urbanisation is built as a game with fixed rules, financial and technological, with preset technologies and standards. A form of "vendor lock-in" thinking on an infrastructure scale.

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Probably the most interesting feature of Samsung is their heavy investment in precision robotics, with a whole chunk of government funding, anticipating that the reliance on cheap Chinese labour is basically unsustainable.

South Korea’s government is to contribute 16.75 billion won (£9.6bn) of public funds over the next three years to a Samsung-led project aimed at developing the country’s robotics industry and reducing its reliance on imported robot parts and cheap labour in countries such as China.

The plan, announced on 19th October 2015, is intended to bring to market mass-produced, six-axis, vertical articulated robots that are cheaper than models currently made in South Korea, for which the country’s robot manufacturers are currently obliged to import certain precision parts from abroad, the Ministry of Trade, Industry and Energy said, according to South Korea’s official Yonhap news agency.


Should also be noted that South Korea currently employs robotic prison guards:

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A lot of work is going into all sorts of stuff that doesn't have wheels (like a car)...

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^ this one here "method 2"... doesn't look exactly like a piece of manufacturing gear if you ask me...

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The resemblance to something out of Robocop... no coincidence.

Korean robotics company Hankook Mirae Technology started building the Method Robot last year with 30 engineers outside of Seoul. After investing $200M to date, the Method 2 is able to walk. Designed by Vitaly Bulgarov, who has worked on films like Transformers, Robocop [2013 remake] and Terminator Genisys, the robot was hinted may be used to help restore the Fukushima disaster area, and serve other industrial purposes, and isn't expected to contribute to an apocalyptic robot war. Method is expected to be available by the end of 2017, costing around $8M.
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Re: Samsung eats Studer, AKG, JBL etc for "in car entertainm

Postby Redline on Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:28 am

This thread makes me want to install a McIntosh car stereo in the Dodge and then drive around for no reason.
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Re: Samsung eats Studer, AKG, JBL etc for "in car entertainm

Postby bishopdante on Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:45 am

^ a very fine corporate spiders' web reference.

McIntosh I believe were acquired for D&M holdings by Bain Capital.

Mitt Romney of Bain Capital, (Mormon Missionary), son of George Romney Governor of Michigan and CEO of American Motors under Nixon, .. absorber of Toys-R-Us, dunkin' donuts, hospital corporation of America, Warner Music Group (sold to Russian/Ukrainian Oil Oligarch / Nylon specialist Len Blavatnik), Domino's Pizza... and attempted 2012 takeover of the US government...
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Re: Samsung eats Studer, AKG, JBL etc for "in car entertainm

Postby Redline on Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:50 am

I think Clarion was bought out by McIntosh a long time ago. McIntosh had no interest in car audio until that happened.

Edit- Oh, wait...
The company was purchased by Japanese car audio maker Clarion in 1990. In May 2003, McIntosh was sold by Clarion to D&M Holdings, also of Japan.


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Postby Nate Dort on Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:23 pm

As a current Harman employee, working on high-end automotive amplifiers, this thread is relevant to my interests.

Also, I don't know anything more about this than you guys. They don't tell us anything.
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Re: Samsung eats Studer, AKG, JBL etc for "in car entertainm

Postby Redline on Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:37 pm

Nate Dort wrote:
They don't tell us anything.

If they told you they would have to kill you.

I still have a Harman Kardon TD-102 cassette deck in the Hot Wheel room. Works great.
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Re: Samsung eats Studer, AKG, JBL etc for "in car entertainm

Postby Big John on Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:58 am

The future of AKG is here and it is putting speakers in refrigerators

https://gizmodo.com/samsung-put-a-big-a ... 1821936909
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Re: Samsung eats Studer, AKG, JBL etc for "in car entertainm

Postby geiginni on Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:21 pm

Big John wrote:The future of AKG is here and it is putting speakers in refrigerators

https://gizmodo.com/samsung-put-a-big-a ... 1821936909


As long as they don't try putting any of their wireless microphone systems in my fridge. Blech!

I really really would like to see a Mark Levinson icemaker in mine!
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Postby Boombats on Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:24 pm

What I would love in my car is a decent and compact mastering suite. When I take my mixes out to the car on cd they always need a little tweaking, but those final adjustments don't translate when done indoors. I guess I could take a reference mic and laptop out to the whip and model the sound stage or whatever, but that's beyond my expertise. The alternative is to build a replica of my vehicle's cockpit inside my house...
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Postby Facundo on Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:14 pm

They will make car engines that sound like the meow of adorable kittens and the power will not be measured more in horsepower or watts but in Catts.

Seriously.

The Rolls Royce factory of the analog recording (Studer) sold to do exclusively BMW Isettas... and in capitalism, your vote is worth nothing and periodically you'll come back for your new Samsung Galaxy S69 with three AKG nanoC12 microphones for better noise cancelling. And with that smartphone you can pay for the pizza signing with the finger in the air leaving a trail of colors only seen by the imagination.
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Re: Samsung eats Studer, AKG, JBL etc for "in car entertainm

Postby Bernardo on Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:29 pm

Boombats wrote:What I would love in my car is a decent and compact mastering suite. When I take my mixes out to the car on cd they always need a little tweaking, but those final adjustments don't translate when done indoors. I guess I could take a reference mic and laptop out to the whip and model the sound stage or whatever, but that's beyond my expertise. The alternative is to build a replica of my vehicle's cockpit inside my house...


Personally I find the whole enterprise pointless if you don't add tweaks to the system.
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Re: Samsung eats Studer, AKG, JBL etc for "in car entertainm

Postby Boombats on Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:44 pm

Ain't that the audio truth!
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