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Mastering On All Nerve by The Breeders

Postby WillieD on Thu May 24, 2018 5:48 pm

I was disappointed when I discovered the CD version had loud mastering and there was a different master for the vinyl. Greg Calbi mastered the CD version and Bob Weston did the vinyl. Not sure why Bob didn't do both. Any insight on why it was done this way? The Breeders' previous albums have been quite good in having quieter mastering, especially the almighty Pod, which has the best production and mastering of any album I own.
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Re: Mastering On All Nerve by The Breeders

Postby cak on Wed May 30, 2018 10:16 pm

It sounds alright to me. The drums are a little indistinct and thin sounding, but I'm not Kim Deal, she knows what she wants out of a session. Pod is quiet by necessity, being mastered before digital metering was a thing. It does sound good though.
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Re: Mastering On All Nerve by The Breeders

Postby Me Again on Thu May 31, 2018 12:21 am

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Re: Mastering On All Nerve by The Breeders

Postby Speedie on Thu May 31, 2018 4:55 am

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Re: Mastering On All Nerve by The Breeders

Postby seanurban on Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:42 am

WillieD wrote:I was disappointed when I discovered the CD version had loud mastering and there was a different master for the vinyl.
i thought that it’s always a different master for cd and vinyl. Not always noticeably different, but different. Was I wrong?
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Re: Mastering On All Nerve by The Breeders

Postby tmidgett on Thu Jun 07, 2018 12:14 pm

seanurban wrote:
WillieD wrote:I was disappointed when I discovered the CD version had loud mastering and there was a different master for the vinyl.
i thought that it’s always a different master for cd and vinyl. Not always noticeably different, but different. Was I wrong?


They're always diff b/c you have to do shit for each format that is unique to that format.

LP: watch stereo low end, balance level vs low end throughout, maybe ride level through side length if necessary, be aware of sibilance on treble boosts etc.

CD: catch transient peaks (more important than on vinyl) without squashing the shit out of it (unless yer into that kind of thing)

The most hands-off way of CD mastering is to run the vinyl mastering EQ and other treatment to digital with a bit of a limiter on it to get OK level.

In this case, different engineers did the different masters, so they're probably notably different in terms of EQ and whatever got done to 'em. I dunno, I only have the LP and have only heard the digital files online.

LP sounds nice.
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Re: Mastering On All Nerve by The Breeders

Postby Redline on Thu Jun 07, 2018 12:59 pm

Yup. There are many cd transfers that exist with boosted bass near the end of the original lp sides. Irritating, but I'm sure it still happens.

I still need the Breeders lp on lp...
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Re: Mastering On All Nerve by The Breeders

Postby 154 on Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:33 pm

Our mastering engineer makes an 'extra headroom version' (no L2 at all, vs. the 1-2db typical of the Bandcamp/iTunes master) for the vinyl cut. You need headroom for vinyl, and I've been told that submitting a digitally smashed master forces the engineer to cut quieter to not risk blowing out the head.

Sucks that they used Sterling for digital. Their ears are fried from doing pancaked top 40 crap for so long.
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Re: Mastering On All Nerve by The Breeders

Postby tallchris on Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:07 pm

I guess I'm surprised that Bob didn't do both the digital & vinyl master.
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