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Either/Or: 70s Brit Punk or 80s US Hardcore

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One is more important, which?

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Re: Either/Or: 70s Brit Punk or 80s US Hardcore

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Re: Either/Or: 70s Brit Punk or 80s US Hardcore

Postby The MayorofRockNRoll on Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:51 am

I remember reading in Please Kill Me, how the Brits sort of got punk rock misconstrued, because they made it all about being 'tough.'

Then again, maybe 8-s US hardcore got it wrong further, by attaching a professional sport- skateboarding- to it.

None of this is completely accurate, but this has always been a silly poll anyway.
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Re: Either/Or: 70s Brit Punk or 80s US Hardcore

Postby Ptommydski on Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:58 am

The MayorofRockNRoll wrote:I remember reading in Please Kill Me, how the Brits sort of got punk rock misconstrued, because they made it all about being 'tough.'

Disagree with this, simply because The Ramones were more aggressive than say, The Buzzcocks, Wire, Gang of Four, The Fall etc.

Oi and Hardcore, yeah that macho shit was dumb for the most part.
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Re: Either/Or: 70s Brit Punk or 80s US Hardcore

Postby whoisalhedges on Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:00 am

Ptommydski wrote:
The MayorofRockNRoll wrote:I remember reading in Please Kill Me, how the Brits sort of got punk rock misconstrued, because they made it all about being 'tough.'

Disagree with this, simply because The Ramones were more aggressive than say, The Buzzcocks, Wire, Gang of Four, The Fall etc.

Oi and Hardcore, yeah that macho shit was dumb for the most part.

The Ramones were fucking Sha-Na-Na on speed. Nothing agressive about that.


Not that there's anything wrong with that....
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Re: Either/Or: 70s Brit Punk or 80s US Hardcore

Postby Ptommydski on Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:17 am

They had songs about beating people with baseball bats and hustlers killing Johns etc. Their music was also more aggressive in terms of tempo and abrasion. Johnny and Dee Dee were pretty badass people too.

Compare that to the abstract and esoteric stuff by Wire, the literary references of The Fall, the political and angular approach of Gang of Four etc. Compared to The Ramones all these bands were a lot more post-modern.

Not a criticism of The Ramones, they were fucking great.
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Re: Either/Or: 70s Brit Punk or 80s US Hardcore

Postby The MayorofRockNRoll on Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:30 am

I didn't say I agreed with it. I was just speculating.
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Re: Either/Or: 70s Brit Punk or 80s US Hardcore

Postby whoisalhedges on Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:05 pm

Yeah, so fuckin' what, Bowser stabbed a cop.
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Re: Either/Or: 70s Brit Punk or 80s US Hardcore

Postby The MayorofRockNRoll on Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:19 pm

whoisalhedges wrote:Yeah, so fuckin' what, Bowser stabbed a cop.


Did he flex his bicep while rotating his fist afterward?
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Re: Either/Or: 70s Brit Punk or 80s US Hardcore

Postby AnthonyVillalobos on Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:25 pm

Ptommydski wrote:
The MayorofRockNRoll wrote:I remember reading in Please Kill Me, how the Brits sort of got punk rock misconstrued, because they made it all about being 'tough.'

Disagree with this, simply because The Ramones were more aggressive than say, The Buzzcocks, Wire, Gang of Four, The Fall etc.

Oi and Hardcore, yeah that macho shit was dumb for the most part.


The Ramones weren't that aggressive, it's just that all the bands/kids from the UK were scared of them. That doesn't seem to be too hard to do; making the UK folks feel uneasy.

Wasn't Lydon scared to meet them initially because he thought they were a gang?

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Re: Either/Or: 70s Brit Punk or 80s US Hardcore

Postby whoisalhedges on Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:32 pm

The MayorofRockNRoll wrote:
whoisalhedges wrote:Yeah, so fuckin' what, Bowser stabbed a cop.


Did he flex his bicep while rotating his fist afterward?

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Re: Either/Or: 70s Brit Punk or 80s US Hardcore

Postby Ptommydski on Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:43 pm

Also I seem to recall the dude from Fang beheaded his wife. Loosely comparable to Sid and Nancy depending on what you believe.
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Re: Either/Or: 70s Brit Punk or 80s US Hardcore

Postby numberthirty on Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:37 pm

Because of eighties US Hardcore, there was a pretty amazing late eighties/early nineties crop of awesome.

Quicksand/Dinosaur Jr./Sebadoh/All/The MKI Danzig lineup/The '86-'90 run of Soul Asylum/Jawbox.

Most of that would have been completely different without the influence of eighties US hardcore.
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