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One is more important, which?

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Postby Brett Eugene Ralph on Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:55 am

In honor of this thread, I burned myself a CD tonight of much of my favorite American hardcore:

Die Kreuzen: Cows and Beer EP
Die Kreuzen: three cuts from The Master Tape
Void: half of Void/Faith LP
Void: three cuts from Flex Your Head
Malignant Growth: three cuts from The Master Tape Vol. 2
Negative Approach: 5 songs from self-titled EP
Negative Approach: 7 songs from Tied Down LP
Bad Brains: "Pay to Cum" from Let Them Eat Jellybeans

Needless to say, this motherfuckert throws down. Of course, there should have been a lot more Bad Brains, but I have inexplicably failed to replace my long-gone ROIR cassette. Does the vinyl version sound all right? I'm not much into hardcore on CD.
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Postby nathan. on Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:57 am

Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:In honor of this thread, I burned myself a CD tonight of much of my favorite American hardcore:

Die Kreuzen: Cows and Beer EP
Die Kreuzen: three cuts from The Master Tape
Void: half of Void/Faith LP
Void: three cuts from Flex Your Head
Malignant Growth: three cuts from The Master Tape Vol. 2
Negative Approach: 5 songs from self-titled EP
Negative Approach: 7 songs from Tied Down LP
Bad Brains: "Pay to Cum" from Let Them Eat Jellybeans

Needless to say, this motherfuckert throws down. Of course, there should have been a lot more Bad Brains, but I have inexplicably failed to replace my long-gone ROIR cassette. Does the vinyl version sound all right? I'm not much into hardcore on CD.


I never heard it on cassette (had a CD until recently), but I just bought the vinyl version, and it sounds great. Pick it up.
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Postby sleepkid on Sat Jul 29, 2006 2:17 am

To be quite honest, I think it all depends on the day. Sometimes you're going to wake up and maybe the "An Ideal for Living" EP is going to float your boat, on other days you might need "Double Nickels on the Dime"...

...and then there are those days where you just need a dose of Biz Markie...

Fun question, but so subjective as to be pointless, so I'm going with late 60's reggae as my answer.



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Postby Ranxerox on Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:36 am

No one seems to have a good sense of what Brit Punk and US Hardcore consists of.

Fair enough, I suppose, labels being what they are.

US hardcore spawned T&G, AT, Dischord, and SST (admittedly there was a good deal of punkish, post punkish noise in the early days of AT and SST). If Brit punk from the 70s married artists and business in such quixotic stabbings and won on four counts I'll eat my Resistol.

Someone above dismissed the greatness of the Birthday Party, which is simply the airing of ignorance. Their is no subjectivity about this.

Someone above tipped brim toward Brit Post Punk. All things art punk or post punk or weird noise, etc., created out of season, should be summarily cap-doffed and then left out of this discussion.

Someone above had Die Kreuzen losing a face off of some musical sort. The fix was clearly in.
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Postby Chapter Two on Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:40 am

galanter wrote:
Chapter Two wrote:Sex Pistols

VERSUS

Dead Kennedys

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America wins


In what sense?


In an 'I was drunk last night and don't remember posting this' sense.
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Postby sleepkid on Sat Jul 29, 2006 6:59 am

Ranxerox wrote:Someone above dismissed the greatness of the Birthday Party, which is simply the airing of ignorance. Their is no subjectivity about this.

...

Someone above had Die Kreuzen losing a face off of some musical sort. The fix was clearly in.


Actually the face off that Die Kreuzen lost was against The Birthday Party, so what do you do there?











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Postby alex maiolo on Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:26 am

Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:
steve wrote:You really do need to hear a couple of the Jesus Lizard's albums.


Just ordered Goat. God, I hope it's not better than Funhouse, or I'll really have some explaining to do.


Another commission for Steve. You guys are total suckers. You know he pulls 48% off of *every* sale of that record, right?

You watch. Next week he's going to be suspiciously hawking Night Moves again. "Best rock ever to come out of Detroit." he'll say.
And you people will just eat it up. Fools.

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Postby connor on Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:53 am

Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:
steve wrote:You really do need to hear a couple of the Jesus Lizard's albums.


Just ordered Goat. God, I hope it's not better than Funhouse, or I'll really have some explaining to do.

Please report back to thread once you've given it a few listens.
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Postby sleepkid on Sat Jul 29, 2006 11:07 am

Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:
steve wrote:You really do need to hear a couple of the Jesus Lizard's albums.


Just ordered Goat. God, I hope it's not better than Funhouse, or I'll really have some explaining to do.



You really should have just gone ahead and ordered Liar at the same time. I feel it's just as essential, and probably more immediately accessible than Goat. Though "Mouth Breather" and "Nub" are tremendous songs right from the get go, it's hard to get over that triple opening attack of "Boilermaker", "Gladiator", and then "The Art of Self-Defense", not to mention having "Puss" finishing off that first side. Probably one the best side A's ever recorded.








Has someone ever done a "Goat" vs "Liar" which is better? thread?








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Postby Cunningham on Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:40 am

Goat is better than Liar, but Liar has "slave ship" so... its a tie. "Head" makes me wanna strangle myself with a belt while spankin' it. I really like that record.

Listen to some Scratch Acid, that stuff is wayyyy more reminiscent of The Birthday Party than the Jesus Lizard.
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Postby Chapter Two on Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:26 am

sleepkid wrote:Has someone ever done a "Goat" vs "Liar" which is better? thread?


Cunningham wrote:Goat is better than Liar, but Liar has "slave ship" so... its a tie. "Head" makes me wanna strangle myself with a belt while spankin' it. I really like that record.


Here is a thread for you.
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Postby sleepkid on Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:19 am

Cunningham wrote:Goat is better than Liar, but Liar has "slave ship" so... its a tie. "Head" makes me wanna strangle myself with a belt while spankin' it. I really like that record.

Listen to some Scratch Acid, that stuff is wayyyy more reminiscent of The Birthday Party than the Jesus Lizard.


Liar has "Gladiator" on it, which pretty much rendered me useless on the drums for a while, as after I first heard it, I didn't play anything else for a week or two. And even now whenever I sit down at a drum kit, it's one of the first things I play to warm up.

Chapter Two wrote:Here is a thread for you.


Thanks for the link to the thread.

Liar and Goat are both amazing. Interesting to see who rated which one better. Head is not to be discounted either. I own everything up to Blue on vinyl. (Don't own Blue at all.) Plus just about everything Scratch Acid did as well. Some of the most vital music of the last 20 years. But talking about that here is mostly just preaching to the choir, innit?

(oh, and as an aside Chapter Two, think Southgate'll do the job for you?)
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Postby Chapter Two on Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:28 am

sleepkid wrote:
Chapter Two wrote:Here is a thread for you.


Thanks for the link to the thread.

Liar and Goat are both amazing. Interesting to see who rated which one better. Head is not to be discounted either. I own everything up to Blue on vinyl. (Don't own Blue at all.) Plus just about everything Scratch Acid did as well. Some of the most vital music of the last 20 years. But talking about that here is mostly just preaching to the choir, innit?

(oh, and as an aside Chapter Two, think Southgate'll do the job for you?)


You were already deep in an aside.

I'm afraid I'm not knowledgeable enough football-wise to make a judgement on Gareth Southgate's potential as a manager. I hope so though. Cheers.
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Postby muzorewi's daughter on Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:08 am

american hardcore by far.
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Postby tommydski on Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:09 pm

hmmm.

gang of four, the fall, wire, joy division, slits, x-ray spex.
minor threat, minutemen, meat puppets, husker du, big black.

too tough to call.
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Postby same on Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:26 pm

Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:The Fall vs. Void: Yanks win, 4-4


no

Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:Sex Pistols vs. Bad Brains: Yanks win, 10-7


no

Brett Eugene Ralph wrote:The Slits vs. Meat Puppets: Yanks win, 11-9


no


And how about PiL vs. Pere Ubu? I'd have to go with PiL.

Brits win.
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Postby tommydski on Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:29 pm

bad brains were a lot better than the sex pistols in my mind.

i agree that the fall vs. void comparison is absurd. you'd have to give it to the fall for the sheer quantity of great releases from 1979-83. void had like twenty minutes of material at most right? doesn't really seem fair.
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Postby same on Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:03 pm

tommydski wrote:bad brains were a lot better than the sex pistols in my mind.


Objectively speaking, I can't see how the Sex Pistols could lose to anyone on a punk list. I mean, they invented the shit.
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Postby muzorewi's daughter on Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:35 pm

same wrote:
tommydski wrote:bad brains were a lot better than the sex pistols in my mind.


Objectively speaking, I can't see how the Sex Pistols could lose to anyone on a punk list. I mean, they invented the shit.


i'm kinda new here, so i don't really know all the member personas, but this is an obvious joke right?
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Postby tommydski on Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:15 pm

same wrote:Objectively speaking, I can't see how the Sex Pistols could lose to anyone on a punk list. I mean, they invented the shit.

is that like the monkees were the band the beatles could have been?

surely you mean the ramones fellah.
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