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genre: "crossover thrash"

Postby BClark on Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:10 pm

recently i have been listening to some bands whose sound is part hardcore punk, part thrash metal....

examples:

the exploited
suicidal tendencies
the accused
corrosion of conformity
dri
stormtroopers of death


so... crap or not crap?
and if you like this sort of stuff, any recommendations of other bands?
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Postby rocker654 on Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:45 pm

Never heard of it.

However, the bands you cite lead me to believe that this music must be part of the genre referred to as "crapola".
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Postby a. james on Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:08 pm

crossover crap.
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Postby elmofreech on Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:02 am

love "speak english or die." love "join the army."

NOT CRAP.

Maybe check out Municipal Waste?
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Postby mega therion on Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:28 am

ACCUSED -first two LPs
CRYPTIC SLAUGHTER - first two LPs
A handful of Japanese bands

The rest is pretty much garbage.
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Postby Chapter Two on Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:09 am

You need these.

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The Crossover idea meant a lot to me at the time (late eighties / early nineties), as the scene I got involved in was constituted mainly of metal heads and hardcore kids. I wouldn't listen to much of that stuff now, but it was great at the time. Not crap.

Early Prong were fucking brutal. Get those two records.
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Re: genre: "crossover thrash"

Postby Rick Reuschel on Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:00 pm

BClark wrote:recently i have been listening to some bands whose sound is part hardcore punk, part thrash metal....

examples:


the accused


so... crap or not crap?
and if you like this sort of stuff, any recommendations of other bands?


I thought you meant Rights of the Accused.

I liked "Eye for an Eye" COC and the first Suicidals record.
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Postby scott on Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:10 pm

You forgot Bad Brains!

Totally NOT CRAP, as long as it has enough of the thrash metal.

I think the strength of hardcore is the personal side of it, the almost (dare I say) emo aspect of it, where songs are about things in the singer's life that mean a lot to him, personal shit. I think metal was really too outward most of the time, like "here's our song about the destruction of the environment", "here's our song about the death penalty", or the prison system, or the corruption of the church, or elves fighting dragons, etc. Hardcore seems more like "I'm pissed off at the way you're treating me" or some other kinda more *personal* shit, rather than being so externalized.

I'll take thrash over hardcore, purely for the musical side of it. I like math rock, too, so... a bit more technical music does more for me than just raw, fast, edgy, etc.

Bands breaking out of a mold, or moving from one sound to another, I like it, as long as it's moving in a good direction. Voivod's first four albums would be a good example of that. Then with the 5th they started to go too far, and after that they kinda lost their way. Voivod's second and third album are great examples of the meeting ground between hardcore, thrash/speed metal, death metal, techy prog stuff, all that.

What genre does Drive Like Jehu fall into?

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Postby a. james on Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:27 pm

elmofreech wrote:Maybe check out Municipal Waste?


ugh...hate them.

not sure who i hate more, them or their fans.

fucking richmond sometimes...man...blech.
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Postby rocker654 on Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:36 pm

scott wrote:You forgot Bad Brains!


I don't think that the Bad Brains should be besmirched by getting lumped in with the rest of the garbage bands listed on this thread.
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Postby chairman_hall on Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:58 pm

N/C

I love Cro Mags and S.O.D. As mentioned earlier it needs to have the thrash metal guitars really.

Suicidal Tendancies however - VERY CRAP.
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Postby erskine on Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:17 pm

the exploited :not crap for the early punk/hc stuffs , crap for the rest
suicidal tendencies :self-titled lp is not crap
the accused :not crap at all , especially "grinning like an undertaker"
(early)dri :not crap

negazione:not crap
citizens arrest :not crap
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Postby skatingbasser on Sat Dec 23, 2006 11:18 am

Ah yes, Municipal Waste. The band everyone in the Pittsburgh punk scene likes to pretend is from Pittsburgh. I think they are awesome, but wish they'd get more of that forceful hardcore "push."

I like Suicidal, but their gimmick gets old. Too much slappity-pip-pop bass now, too. Cro Mags are alright, but god, I hate S.O.D. "Speak English or Die?"

Crossover thrash as an idea? Great. Would probably be my favorite genre if it was executed right. Or executed right more often. But awful execution leading to only a handful of good bands sends this genre spinning in a world of waffles.


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Re: genre: "crossover thrash"

Postby garthplinko on Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:49 am

I did sound for Condition Critical from NJ and Game Over from Italy. If you like this kind of stuff, Condition Critical is super good.
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Re: genre: "crossover thrash"

Postby biscuitdough on Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:17 am

A lot of 80s crossover thrash is great. Thrash was plagued by needless soloing and bad vocals, which the hardcore element fixed in some cases (except DRI, worst vocals ever, that dude's voice may even be the worst sound of any kind ever). The Accused, that first Suicidal record, Carnivore, COC... not crap.

People mention Dayglo Abortions in this context, but I only really like the first demo, which was less thrashy.
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Postby Evin Relocation on Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:51 am

scott wrote:I'll take thrash over hardcore, purely for the musical side of it. I like math rock, too, so... a bit more technical music does more for me than just raw, fast, edgy, etc.


Yep.
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Re: genre: "crossover thrash"

Postby Gantry on Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:39 pm

First Suicidal record is easily a top 10 all-time record for me, the rest I have zero desire to listen to.

Some DRI is a lot of fun to listen to...

Municipal Waste kind of overdid it and their fans can be annoying but they are a ton of fun to see live.

It's a genre I haven't spent a lot of time in but I certainly enjoy the bright spots. I guess you can say that for most genres...
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Re: genre: "crossover thrash"

Postby bishopdante on Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:02 pm

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Call it what you want.

Seems before it congealed, there were two sorts of thrash... the punk side and the hair metal side. One sounds like Megadeth, the other sounds like Napalm Death. Nothing very "crossover" about that, really, but I suppose people are referencing the period when thrash was considered a type of heavy-metal-infused punk, or "crust", rather than heavy/stadium metal speeded up?

Can often tell the bands apart by how they spell "death". If there's any Def or Deth going on, and widdly widdly guitar solos, probably hair metal corner.
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Re: genre: "crossover thrash"

Postby Bernardo on Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:00 am

crap, generally

What I hear in my mind when I think of crossover is usually 3rd rate riffs with sloppy drumming and consistently ugly recordings, clicky drums and odd low budget reverb. Plus that guy shouting on top of it with a monotone inexpressive delivery that conveys nothing.

Coming at metal from the hardcore angle did NOT work, IMO.
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Re: genre: "crossover thrash"

Postby M.H on Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:46 am

Bernardo wrote:Coming at metal from the hardcore angle did NOT work, IMO.


Yeah, I agree.

It was a weird transitionary moment where hardcore had burned out and thrash metal was getting very good. Some punk bands who had shown up a late to the party made a crossover record once they'd worked out the fundamentals of how to rock in the hardcore arena but were still being influenced by the scene police. So playing fast was fine, but guitar solos were verboten. Those conscious parameters spells doom for any musical self-expression (see also: grindcore) and creates a dead-end scene.

I think it's somewhat telling that Speak English or Die - a goofy side project band intended as a one-off by NYC metal dudes who liked hardcore- is one of the strongest albums out of all the ‘classics’ mentioned. Best Wishes and Animosity were also both pretty hot (man, do I love Best Wishes, that album is easily as good as Age of Quarrel). But the rest is pretty weak.
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