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Postby alex maiolo on Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:09 pm

Foldyourarmsandsaynah wrote:I don't know about the rest of America, but I've been waiting to talk about magic underwear and polygamy for YEARS.


In my case the magic is IN my underwear.

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Postby Rick Reuben on Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:28 pm

In case people didn't know, the private equity firm that Mitt Romney founded bought Clear Channel Communications last year. The LBO was apparently completed yesterday.
What would it cost to buy the support of just about every nationally-syndicated neocon talk show host in America? About $19.5 Billion, which is what Mitt Romney’s private equity firm, Bain Capital, and Thomas H. Lee Partners have agreed to pay in a leveraged buyout agreement with Clear Channel Communications, the largest radio station owner in the country.

I don't really see how even a blind trust puts enough distance between a President, a PE firm, and a media giant. This looks worse than Cheney/Halliburton or Condi/Chevron.

More info on Romney and who else is a part of Bain Capital:
Tuesday (4-3-07) on Your World host Neil Cavuto interviewed Pete Snyder of New Media Strategies, a company that has just been taken over by Meredith Corporation. The topic? The $23 million in campaign contributions raised by Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney since January. Snyder was supposed to throw light on the "quiet" contributors to Romney's campaign, but the segment was nothing more than a smokescreen, a lot of doubletalk designed to give Cavuto the chance to state that Romney's "quiet" sources of money are wealthy Mormons. However, a little research shows that Mr. Romney is worth billions and has deep connections to companies whose holdings read like a who's-who of the corporate power elite. Mr. Romney is buddy-buddy with the same corporate fat cats who funded the Bush administration.

Let's start with the big one - Bain Capital, a private equity firm that Mitt Romney founded in 1984 together with Thomas Coleman Andrews and Eric Kriss.

According to WhiteHouseforSale.org, Thomas Coleman Andrews, now deceased, was one of the original founders of the John Birch Society. For those of you too young to remember, the John Birch Society was a rabid fringe right-wing group founded by twelve men in 1958, under the leadership of candy mogul Robert Welch. The Birchers believed many of the same things today's neocons believe, i.e., that liberals are secret traitors to their country because they advocate a nefarious form of socialist collectivism that will eventually supplant good old free market capitalism, the United Nations is bad and must be brought down, the government is too big and the income tax is illegal.

That's all true, except that it should be referring to neo-liberals, who are not real liberals any more than neo-cons are real conservatives.
Regnery Books published the first John Birch Society writings. Today that same company publishes the likes of Ann Coulter, Dinesh D'Souza, Steve Forbes, Bernard Goldberg, David Horowitz, Laura Ingraham, Wayne La Pierre, Mark Levin, David Limbaugh, G. Gordon Liddy, Michelle Malkin, Richard Miniter, John O'Neill (of Swift Boat shame), Bill Sammon, and many, many others.
Romney's book on saving the Olympics came out on Regnery.

This article linked by McGarvey has info on Bain Capital, too:
Mitt Romney: Will Republicans Elect a Bloodsucking CEO? by Matt Taibbi
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Postby kenoki on Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:40 pm

alex maiolo wrote:
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galanter wrote:I hear a lot more anti-Mormon bias on this board than I do from conservatives or even conservative evangelicals. (Then again, I hear a lot more general anti-religion bias here overall as well.)



I don't think there's much of an anti-mormon view, as there is an anti-evangelical one.


Exactly. In this thread, and others, my point has been what makes a Mormon's belief any crazier than any other religious person's?
It's all myth that depends on truckloads of faith.

"Can a person walk across a lake?"
"Of course not"
"But you believe Jesus did?"
"Of course I do, he's Jesus!"

Why is this crazier than the Joe Smith story?
It's not.

However, the people in Nebraska won't see it that way. That's all I'm saying.


my thing with mormons being crazier than christians is something like this:

there's a guy who hears voices, considers any girl who talks to him as his steady girlfriend, and thinks he's covered in bees when he's not. there's another guy who hears voices, considers any girl who talks to him as his steady girlfriend, thinks he's covered in bees, humps his dog AND eats shit (all the time). are they both crazy? uh huh. is the latter crazier? i would say so.

the second has everything in common with the first except adds more crazy to already crazy. making it... crazier.

(and i just realized after posting how long ago that dialogue was from. oops.)
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Postby SecondEdition on Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:30 pm

To add to this thread, this was in Detroit's Metro Times, from Jack Lessenberry, a great columnist:

lessenberry wrote:If you want to know why he may well have a chance, take a look at the candidate who should logically be the Republican nominee, former Massachusetts Governor — and Detroit native — Mitt Romney. He is far more handsome than Huckabee. He speaks very well, is enormously intelligent, has a picture-perfect family . . . and comes across as an utter robot.

I interviewed him in April, and have seldom spoken to a more calculating machine. The one sincere note that comes across when you talk to Romney is that he really does think he is better than anyone else, period. Just take a look at the interview he gave The Detroit News' Gordon Trowbridge, published online Sunday. Romney was asked about the fact that Huckabee has soared ahead of him in Iowa.

That's not to be taken seriously, the bionic man said. "With the challenges we face, you need somebody who is smart, analytical," he said. "I'm able to take tough issues and analyze them. I like debate, argument, consideration of options. You need to have a deliberative, thoughtful approach."

Romney's supporters have been worried that the public won't accept a Mormon. Their real problem may be, to put it in Star Trek terms, that he is a Vulcan, incapable of human emotion.

This is a guy, after all, who put his Irish Setter Seamus in a cage on top of the family car for a 12-hour drive from Boston to Ontario, and then was amazed to discover the terrified dog's excrement flowing down the windows. His reaction to what was clearly animal torture?

He hosed off the car.


Once again, loud and clear: Fuck Mitt Romney.
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Postby alex maiolo on Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:09 am

Christopher J. McGarvey wrote:Vote Romney!


Yeah, not one bit of anti-mormon propaganda there...

Do you think the person who made this film was doing it as a public service or do you think they had an agenda?
Do you think these same people could make Hinduism and Buddhism look just as batshit crazy?
"They have HOW many gods? Now that's just insane! Can't talk anymore though, I'm off to eat Jesus' flesh and drink some of his blood."

Again I say, I don't get *any* of it. All religions are full of hard to believe stories that the followers have to take on faith. To me, they are all just stories though. Aesop's fables that teach lessons that might be worth paying attention to. However, nobody made a religion out of Aesop's work.

Romney sucks because he sucks, not because he's a Mormon. He sucks because he's pushy, arrogant, corrupt, judgemental, and acts like he's better than everyone else. Many of these things conflict Jesus' teachings, if I understand correctly.
I've heard him defend torture before, you know?

Nevertheless, voters won't stand for it for the same reasons they will believe that the cartoon I just watched is an *exact* representation of what Mormons believe.
And he will not be elected president because of that, and many other things.

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Postby Minotaur029 on Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:11 am

Yeah, again, me no scared of Mitt.

But yeah...Alex...Huckabee got popular in a hurry, didn't he??? I was hoping the right-wingers wouldn't figure out who to turn to...

Huckabee is a total lightweight though...the Economist described some of his policy positions as "silly".
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Postby fancyjamtime on Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:19 am

I don't want to vote for anyone "of faith". Unfortunately, I don't have a choice. We basically live in a protestant Theocracy.

If his policies didn't suck so thoroughly, I'd be tempted to vote for the fucker just to mess with the christians. The problem is, right wing christians will tolerate silly religious ideas other than their own in order to push their agendas. No win.
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Postby Rick Reuben on Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:09 am

Did you know that Romney's real first name is Willard? And that Mitt is his real middle name? On Romney's official campaign website biography, there is no mention of the name Willard.
LA Times 12-18-07 wrote:While in private business, Mitt Romney utilized shell companies in two offshore tax havens to help eligible investors avoid paying U.S. taxes, federal and state records show.

Romney gained no personal tax benefit from the legal operations in Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. But aides to the Republican presidential hopeful and former colleagues acknowledged that the tax-friendly jurisdictions helped attract billions of additional investment dollars to Romney's former company, Bain Capital, and thus boosted profits for Romney and his partners.

Romney is the wealthiest candidate running for president, with a personal fortune of up to $250 million, according to financial disclosure forms he filed in August. His financial trust retains investments in at least 32 Bain and Sankaty equity, hedge and debt funds, among other assets, the documents disclosed.

Under his retirement agreement, Romney retains a share of the profits at Bain Capital, as well as the right to make new investments in Bain funds through his trust, until February 2009.
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Postby Hexpane on Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:43 pm

This is a guy, after all, who put his Irish Setter Seamus in a cage on top of the family car for a 12-hour drive from Boston to Ontario, and then was amazed to discover the terrified dog's excrement flowing down the windows. His reaction to what was clearly animal torture?

He hosed off the car.


If that's true he should be cell mates w/ michael vick, or worse. What kind of police do NOT pull over someone w/ a dog on their roof?
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Postby Rick Reuben on Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:03 am

Hilarious. Mitt Romney is pissed. TIME magazine named Vladimir Putin their Man of the Year. Instead, Mitt wanted a guy who has been leading a 24/7 murder campaign inside a country that was occupied over lies. Mitt thinks that would send the right message.
In a televised interview with CNN, part of the same group as TIME, Romney has termed as “disgusting” the choice of Putin. He has added: “You know, he imprisoned his political opponents. There have been a number of highly suspicious murders. He has squelched public dissent and free press.( And so has Petraeus' boss -RR ) Clearly, General Petraeus is the person or one of the people who would merit that designation.”


I just can't believe that TIME defied not only Mitt Romney with this choice, but Antero, too.
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Postby Antero on Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:26 am

Actually, Bob, TIME "Man of the Year" doesn't necessarily indicate anything positive about the individual, as it designates significance and impact rather than virtue. The practice of viewing it as pure praise is recent, and restricted to people who have no idea what they're talking about.
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Postby Rick Reuben on Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:18 am

Antero wrote:Actually, Bob, TIME "Man of the Year" doesn't necessarily indicate anything positive about the individual, as it designates significance and impact rather than virtue. The practice of viewing it as pure praise is recent, and restricted to people who have no idea what they're talking about.
Yes, young man, I know all about that. But there is praise for Putin in the article. You should read it. You should look at the photos, too. Look deeply into the eyes of the man who stared down the greasy piratical banking network oligarchs who were pillaging his country, and told them, "Out, you Devils! Out. I command you. The power of Putin compels you! "

The funny thing, Antero, is that you wouldn't be saying a word about Putin's human rights record if the vampirical gang still had clear paths to the cookie jar in Russia. If the NY/London network had better cooperation from the Kremlin, I bet you'd be singing songs about Putin.

I love this photo.
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Mikhail Khodorkovsky: Billionaire would-be political rival to Putin, now a political dissident sentenced to hard times in a Russian labour camp...

And this one.
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Greed is bad.

Antero probably thinks the late 1990's were some of the best years in Russia's history, at least since that fake 'Bolshevik' revolution.
Minerals and oil assets were sold off en masse. Russia's most valuable assets were sold at bargain prices to insiders such as Mr Khodorkovsky. Other assets were squeezed out by a process which many said was rigged. The banker Vladimir Potanin got the most valuable prize of all - the Norilsk Nickel, one of the world's richest suppliers of raw materials. Menatep bought Russia's second largest oil company, Yukos, for $300m. It also took on $2bn in debts, which made the price more realistic. By the end of 2003 it was worth $27bn.

Antero hates fair distribution of the wealth. Antero thinks the bankers should take the first 95% for themselves. God has ruled in favor of the greedy, apparently. Certain so-called 'holy books' say so. :roll:
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Postby Antero on Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:28 am

Rick Reuben wrote:The funny thing, Antero, is that you wouldn't be saying a word about Putin's human rights record if the vampirical gang still had clear paths to the cookie jar in Russia. If the NY/London network had better cooperation from the Kremlin, I bet you'd be singing songs about Putin.
Er, no, honestly. I'm more interested in freedom and the rule of law, as opposed to the equivocations of your hypocritical cryptofascist crusade.
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Postby Rick Reuben on Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:01 am

Antero wrote:Er, no, honestly. I'm more interested in freedom and the rule of law, as opposed to the equivocations of your hypocritical cryptofascist crusade.
That's bullshit. You deliberately find any wart you can on Putin, and then magnify them in your deranged mind until they dwarf the big picture- which is that Putin is moving Russia in the right direction. The scales are in his favor, same with Hugo Chavez. If Putin doesn't take a firm hand against the globalist-financed dissent movement, many Russians will again be under the boot of the same amoral parasites who wrecked their ruble and destroyed their pensions in the '90's, back when Antero's elite gang of Mammon worshippers piggybacked onto Glasnost and went into a Wild West feeding frenzy.

Clocker Bob on Chavez, directed to Al Stern:
clocker bob wrote:Could you answer this question, Al? It would be nice to know what you want in place of Chavez, if the Wall Street gangsters succeed in toppling him.

Which type of government do you feel will deliver a more fair economy to the people of Venezuela, Al? That of Chavez, or a return to the globalist/Washington/big oil friendly governments that preceded him?

What are you asking for in place of Chavez? Someplace more tuned in to what the globalists and the Wall Street parasites want from Latin America?


Antero is another cheerleader for elite rule over the serfs. The guy has never written an honest sentence about really motivates his opposition to Putin or Chavez.
the globalist wrote:Vladimir Putin’s greatest accomplishment since 2000 may be that he has ensured that as much of the windfall revenues from high oil prices as possible has gone into government coffers — rather than into the hands of private oligarchs.

Prior to 2000, this was not the case. Oligarchs — like Mikhail Khodorkovsky of Yukos and Roman Abramovich of Sibneft — were able to retain the superprofits from the oil price windfall for themselves.

Natural resources constitute around 80% of Russian exports, and oil and gas account for 55% of all exports — making the budget particularly dependent on the energy sector.

They accumulated staggering personal fortunes and boosted the value of their companies. To maximize profits, they exploited tax avoidance loopholes, engaged in transfer pricing — including creating a series of on and off-shore trading companies to purchase oil at low cost from production sites and then sell it back again through intermediaries — and other methods.

Analysts calculate that Yukos and Khodorkovsky alone may have cost the Russian treasury billions in potential revenues.

A trust-funded pot addict like Antero can't see the big picture. All he can see is one greedy scheming thief like Khodorkovsky deprived, and his maternal instincts take over.
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Postby Rick Reuben on Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:48 pm

God, what a weirdass motherfucker Romney is...
romney in new hampshire today wrote:"We cannot afford Barack Obama as the next president. He's a nice fella and a very well-spoken fella, but he's never done it," Romney said in Derry, challenging Obama's experience while adopting a version of the change message that worked for Obama and Huckabee in Iowa.

Did he really pronounce it 'fella' and not 'fellow'?? That's some sick pandering by Romney. Northern New England folks do say 'fellow' as 'fella', but I don't think it's natural for Romney to speak like that.
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Postby Rick Reuben on Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:56 pm

Romney's rich, so I don't think he's hitting a budget ceiling, but possibly hitting a self-imposed limit- like, "Why am I pouring my fortune into a campaign?"
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has decided to pull his advertising from South Carolina and Florida, in a sign of trouble for a campaign that badly needs a win.

Romney had been hoping to challenge John McCain and Mike Huckabee in South Carolina, and Rudy Giuliani in Florida, where the former New York mayor has been spending time and money.

``We feel the best strategy is to focus our paid messaging in Michigan,'' Romney spokesman Kevin Madden said Wednesday.
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Postby world of pee on Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:40 am

this is shallow and insignificant but i'll mention because i find it funny:

when i look at different candidates, watch them talk etc., i get impressions of how they "come off" which really have nothing to do with who they are or what their policies are and whether they should lead the country. it's just a bullshit charisma game. but i must say, romney looks creepy as fuck. he looks like a zombie and he is the only candidate who i can easily picture wielding a chainsaw and smiling as he gleefully dismembers people in a horror flick.
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Postby Rick Reuben on Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:37 pm

Yeah, he's like those guys from the preppy frat in Animal House. Here's a young Mitt and his wife looking totally Stepford:
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