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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby tmidgett on Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:31 pm

scntfc wrote:as far as contemporary hip hop is concerned though, death grips makes anything odd future related seem amateur by comparison.


I don't mind that. Guy has a cool voice and can rap. I like the music on a few of the other tracks I heard better. That song Guillotine is actually kind of disorienting.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Antero on Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:03 pm

AnthonyCinder wrote:It's not that he didn't get it--this isn't deep, multi-layered music with different levels of meaning. In fact, I think it's the exact kind of music where it's pretty clear whether or not you think it's good or not. Definitely not one of the ones where repeated listens open up new interpretations, even though I admittedly have it multiple chances simply because so many people were going apeshit. But yeah . . . no.

Well, yes and no. The thing about Tyler's music is that it has a very strong in-group/out-group dynamic that poses an immediate barrier to engagement, because he's constantly rejecting anything that isn't inside that. It's not simply a matter of the lyrics - that contributes, sure, but anyone who knows anything about rap should not be shocked, given that NWA's "One Less Bitch" dwarfs any shock value lyric Tyler has even vaguely thought of. It's something embedded in his basic posture, and the mercurial way he lashes out.

Lil B does something similar, really, but much friendlier: he's playing a game, and you can play with him or not. If you don't, of course, "Ellen Degeneres" is completely incomprehensible.

So, everybody pretty much knows whether they will like Tyler's music as soon as they hear it, depending on whether or not they're able/willing to get around the initial hazing and into the little gang of his musical world (it probably helps to be an alienated teenager). This is certainly the sort of range of reactions I've seen in the people I've played it for, and in the responses of critics.

The preceding leaves out the rest of OF because, really, they don't do that. Earl Sweatshirt is a lot easier to get - he's just blacking out on some mind-bending technical shit, and Earl/Tyler tracks aren't as anti-listener (because... they're playing a game! cf. Lil B). Domo's Rolling Papers is a different animal altogether. It's just a really good, interesting-sounding rap album about (mostly) weed.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Evin Relocation on Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:45 am

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This shite is terrible. Just terrible. Manages to take everything boring and staid about underground rap music and combine it with Jackass' approach to life and porno-grind's approach to lyrics.

It's like listening to all of those "try-too-hard-to-pull-it-off" groups on Stone's Throw or whatever, but with the addition of rape jokes.

"AWESOME", you say?

No. Not. Nein. Nyet. Crap.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Ptommydski on Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:41 am

steve wrote:I spent about 40 minutes with these little pricks at the end of May and I haven't wanted to strangle anybody that much in a real long time.

How did this come about?
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Boombats on Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:08 am

Antero wrote:
AnthonyCinder wrote:It's not that he didn't get it--this isn't deep, multi-layered music with different levels of meaning. In fact, I think it's the exact kind of music where it's pretty clear whether or not you think it's good or not. Definitely not one of the ones where repeated listens open up new interpretations, even though I admittedly have it multiple chances simply because so many people were going apeshit. But yeah . . . no.

Well, yes and no. The thing about Tyler's music is that it has a very strong in-group/out-group dynamic that poses an immediate barrier to engagement, because he's constantly rejecting anything that isn't inside that. It's not simply a matter of the lyrics - that contributes, sure, but anyone who knows anything about rap should not be shocked, given that NWA's "One Less Bitch" dwarfs any shock value lyric Tyler has even vaguely thought of. It's something embedded in his basic posture, and the mercurial way he lashes out.

Lil B does something similar, really, but much friendlier: he's playing a game, and you can play with him or not. If you don't, of course, "Ellen Degeneres" is completely incomprehensible.

So, everybody pretty much knows whether they will like Tyler's music as soon as they hear it, depending on whether or not they're able/willing to get around the initial hazing and into the little gang of his musical world (it probably helps to be an alienated teenager). This is certainly the sort of range of reactions I've seen in the people I've played it for, and in the responses of critics.

The preceding leaves out the rest of OF because, really, they don't do that. Earl Sweatshirt is a lot easier to get - he's just blacking out on some mind-bending technical shit, and Earl/Tyler tracks aren't as anti-listener (because... they're playing a game! cf. Lil B). Domo's Rolling Papers is a different animal altogether. It's just a really good, interesting-sounding rap album about (mostly) weed.

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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Antero on Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:15 am

On the one, I was making the most obvious statement about the way the whole project is constructed, which should be completely apparent to anyone even starting to discuss it.

On the two, most of y'all don't even understand why a person would be rapping in the first place

yet listen to The Fall
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Ptommydski on Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:42 am

Is this the story of the Johnny Rotten?
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Luzwei on Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:48 am

Ptommydski wrote:
steve wrote:I spent about 40 minutes with these little pricks at the end of May and I haven't wanted to strangle anybody that much in a real long time.

How did this come about?


Yeah, I was wandering the same thing. What could have happened to put those two at distance to be able to hear each other?
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Bill Swansea on Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:25 am

Antero wrote:On the two, most of y'all don't even understand why a person would be rapping in the first place

yet listen to The Fall


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I still like Odd Future despite Goblin being somewhat overblown and disappointing. My favourite thing they've done so far is the Radical mixtape though. I wish they'd sample more and release records as a group more too, as it's always a greater range of styles and topics then.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby crustandcrumb on Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:15 am

i will preface this post by saying that i have been into hip hop since i was a kid, understand why dudes rhyme, can spit my favorite verses with the correct cadence, intonation, and enunciation, can get into a convincing b-boy stance etc.

so, i downloaded their discography, including the solo albums and everything. here's how it pans out for me:

about 78% of what i heard was CRAP.
8% was legit but not memorable or innovative (not crap w/ waffles).
11% was NOT CRAP.
3% was "SOME NEXT LEVEL SHIT".

by and large, the lyrical content was CRAP w/ waffles for humor. but i don't really get too much into humor, so..

tyler the creator's voice is NOT CRAP.

i could go on, but think this is sufficient.

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edit: here's an example of the out-cold 14% : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EGMQtzpy3M
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby dontfeartheringo on Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:27 am

crustandcrumb wrote:
scntfc wrote:death grips


LOL


It's a shame they couldn't get this mastered a little louder.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby elisha wiesner on Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:59 pm

tmidgett wrote: Let me know if you're still paying attention in ten years. Maybe I'm missing something.


I will be paying attention until Earl Comes back and puts something else out. Dude has 1 10 song "album", a few guest spots on some some shit and a couple songs on mixtapes. That's it. No live performances, no MTV, no interviews, no pissing off Steve etc... He is clearly the most talented writer and rapper in the group and all his shit was recorded between the ages of 14-16. I really think he could make a great album if given the chance.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Antero on Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:21 pm

Earl's verses are a masterclass in assonance.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Evin Relocation on Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:36 am

Antero wrote:Earl's verses are a masterclass in assonance.


I just can't wait until he discovers a whole new slew of words with which to degrade women!
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby Antero on Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:09 am

Evin Relocation wrote:
Antero wrote:Earl's verses are a masterclass in assonance.


I just can't wait until he discovers a whole new slew of words with which to degrade women!

Yawn.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby chumpchange on Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:32 am

Antero wrote:Odd Future.


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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby GrantMcNeilly on Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:50 am

I tend to think popular music is becoming more and more of a parody of itself (actually, "hip" culture as a whole is becoming a parody of itself), in every genre.
Odd future is, as far as I'm concerned, the total parody of rap - the lyrics, the musics, their delivery. They're complete bullshit.
The beastie boys are probably they biggest joke in rap (despite their pretty awesome sampling, occasionally), and Odd Future has some serious similarities to the Beatie Boys' whole shtick, frankly: the stupid lyrics, hipster connections, privileged backgrounds.

So yeah, I don't "get it," but I'm not sure I want to.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby AnthonyCinder on Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:24 am

GrantMcNeilly wrote:I tend to think popular music is becoming more and more of a parody of itself (actually, "hip" culture as a whole is becoming a parody of itself), in every genre.
Odd future is, as far as I'm concerned, the total parody of rap - the lyrics, the musics, their delivery. They're complete bullshit.
The beastie boys are probably they biggest joke in rap (despite their pretty awesome sampling, occasionally), and Odd Future has some serious similarities to the Beatie Boys' whole shtick, frankly: the stupid lyrics, hipster connections, privileged backgrounds.

So yeah, I don't "get it," but I'm not sure I want to.
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Pretty sure Odd Future don't have privileged backgrounds (and I still think they make bad music).
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby crustandcrumb on Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:26 pm

seriously, if you can get past the juvenile lyrical content, there are some gems scattered amongst the bullshit. if nothing else, give earl sweatshirt's solo record a listen. i'm beginning to think some of you guys just don't like hip hop to begin with.

i mean, no one ever shat nearly so heavily upon 6 feet deep for its whack lyrical content. does odd future compare to gravediggaz? well, no. but you get what i'm saying.
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Re: Collective: Odd Future

Postby AnthonyCinder on Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:57 pm

crustandcrumb wrote:seriously, if you can get past the juvenile lyrical content, there are some gems scattered amongst the bullshit. if nothing else, give earl sweatshirt's solo record a listen. i'm beginning to think some of you guys just don't like hip hop to begin with.

i mean, no one ever shat nearly so heavily upon 6 feet deep for its whack lyrical content. does odd future compare to gravediggaz? well, no. but you get what i'm saying.


Man, you are really putting a ton of stock in them if you're espousing the "if you don't like/get Odd Future, you might not like/get hip hop" idea. Really? Odd Future is that definitive of the genre? I would disagree, and I hope others would too, whether they like them or not.

Sorry, wasn't into the Earl Sweatshirt stuff, beyond thinking it was cool that a kid had made all this music.
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