Mark Lansing wrote:
Antero wrote:OF is punk/disruptive because of what they do/are, not because they (specifically Tyler, 'cause most of them don't) say "shocking" things. No one who actually listens to rap in any serious fashion has any right to pretend that they're shocked by anything Tyler's said.
I would argue that what they do/are isn't necessarily all that punk rock, but for the sake of argument, let's say you're right. That ignores the fact there are a whole lot of shitty punk rock bands out there, and in my mind those guys are down there with The Plasmatics or The Exploited rather than, say, The Ramones or The Minutemen. Saying something is punk rock is not in and of itself a compliment, and as much as punk rock means to me, let's stop pretending that it's all beautiful and virtuous.
God knows I certainly don't think "punk" is much of a virtue in and of itself. That's why I added the / in there. The reason people - at least, the people who aren't abjectly unfit to talk about rap in public - talk about OF as being punk isn't simply because they're young and loud and jump off shit but because of the role that they, and others, are playing relative to hip-hop as a genre, one that is roughly analogous to the positioning of punk to the broader rock environment of the 70s.
A number of artists including Odd Future, Waka Flocka, and particularly Lil B are doing work that changes the way people think about what it is to rap, the act of rapping, the power of DIY, the sound of a hip-hop song.