enframed wrote:rchapman75 wrote: What kind of masochists are you?
The godless kind.
Anthony Flack wrote:Is it wrong that I feel rather pleased to see this forum has polled 81% atheist? I don't think so. I think it just indicates I'm in the right place. Everywhere that's full of rational and intelligent people tends to poll heavily atheist. No offense to the religious, but that's just the way that smart people skew.
I'm just gonna jump in straight from page 1 to page 68, ok? So apologies if I'm covering old ground here.
That atheism/agnosticism thing seems to crop up a lot. As far as I'm concerned, any proposition that is unfalsifiable is effectively NULL. Not a little bit maybe, not you never know... if it's unfalsifiable, it's irrelevant. In an infinite sea of possibilities, the chance that an unfalsifiable proposition is true, is one over infinity. Somebody once said to me, I can't be 100% certain that there's no God, I'm just ninety-nine point nine recurring percent sure. Right. And what is the value of 99.99 recurring? Precisely.
You wanna talk about higher powers? I think there is one: math. Math is The Truth. It's the one thing that humans and intelligent aliens are sure to agree on. We've looked deep into the structure of matter and we've found it's all a bunch of nothing. Nothing, split apart to create little pockets of positive nothing and negative nothing. Which interact according to a few simple rules, to form... all this. Life, the universe and everything. Interference patterns formed by overlapping sine waves.
Everything we know about the structure of the universe can be written on the back on an envelope. Those little equations are almost sufficient to explain all the complexity we see around us. And I say "almost", only because they are, as it stands, slightly incomplete. But don't underestimate the amount of emergent complexity that's hiding away in a recursive algorithm. You could build an entire theoretical universe out of those equations.
It all falls out of the natural patterns formed by math. The complexity of the universe is inherent in the structure of structure itself. Rules produce patterns.
There's nothing reductive about this. Nothing that reduces the awe and wonder of the world. The rules may be simple, but the patterns they form are infinitely complex and varied. I think that's about as close to a real God as we're gonna get.
Additionally, we don't necesarily know that the rules of the universe are constant. We don't know that the laws haven't changed in some way over the course of time, or even within seperate parts of the universe.
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