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Re: Vampire: Paul Ryan

Postby seanurban on Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:24 pm

numberthirty wrote:
seanurban wrote:Why would anyone invest in Chicago or Detroit when there's a new corruption charge every day? That's the problem. It's not underinvestment. It's distrust of the politicians. I'd rather support someone who's honest than someone who just tells me what I want to hear.
While I can see some of what you're saying, please list these people who are honest.
It's hard to find examples of political courage today. One that stands out is Jim Mcdermott (d-wash.), who changed his TARP vote from YES to NO after everyone else wanted to change from NO to YES. I believe he's the only congressman who had the courage to admit he was wrong and change his vote in opposition to the majority. That isn't hypocrisy. It's making a decision based on the best available info, in the face of major political pressure.
I see he's also pro online gambling, unlike our democratic governor.
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Re: Vampire: Paul Ryan

Postby Pasta on Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:29 pm

seanurban wrote:not defending the wars. I know we have to use the roads. Theres no choice now. It's just a big mess.

Tell me where I'm wrong and I'll cite my source. I didn't say anything pasta said I did. For instance I never argued against social safety nets. I think I just said teenagers who benefit from them are entitled to change their minds after 25 years.


No, but, you are, in essence, calling for continued, and ramped up austerity, and the things i've outlined follow austerity, and, austerity doesn't work during a depression.

In fact, I don't really unferstand what you want to be done, except tighten our belts, and let the poor and working class continue to get kicked in the teeth.
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Re: Vampire: Paul Ryan

Postby seanurban on Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:52 pm

Pasta wrote:
seanurban wrote:not defending the wars. I know we have to use the roads. Theres no choice now. It's just a big mess.

Tell me where I'm wrong and I'll cite my source. I didn't say anything pasta said I did. For instance I never argued against social safety nets. I think I just said teenagers who benefit from them are entitled to change their minds after 25 years.
No, but, you are, in essence, calling for continued, and ramped up austerity, and the things i've outlined follow austerity, and, austerity doesn't work during a depression.

In fact, I don't really unferstand what you want to be done, except tighten our belts, and let the poor and working class continue to get kicked in the teeth.

You can characterize it however you want as long as you understand me. I haven't proposed anything. I'd like to see long term solutions, not band aids. Where those solutions are coming from, I don't know. We can look at many countries for examples of how NOT to do it. We can look at our own past as well. I'm against business as usual. I'm against corruption and corporate influence. I'm against war profiteering. I'm against overspending. I'm against the inefficiency in our two party system. Call it what you will.
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Re: Vampire: Paul Ryan

Postby kerble on Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:53 pm

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JayCo4204 wrote:Wow!!!! Half the comments on this subject sound like they have been made by a third grader. Hey if the government has no money who cares right? We will just print more!!!! Ok let’s tax the people that make the jobs and put them out of business so there will be fewer jobs. Ya!!! the guy that worked hard all his life and built his business he didn't build that right? Just take it all and give it to the people that sit on their buts all day. The government isn't the answer they are the problem. Smaller government = Happier People



I approved this new member's first post mostly because I wanted you guys to have something to play with. It was on the last page, so you may have missed it.

Welcome aboard, piñata!


So what kind of first posts are you keeping from us?


Just spambots, actually. For whatever reason, if someone's first post is in C/NC, I have to manually authorize it. Not so for GD. I did bong one of krakabash's new accounts once. Otherwise, I block nothing.
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Re: Vampire: Paul Ryan

Postby Yngwie Einstein on Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:47 am

prewar wrote:What a crock of shit to argue like fixing bridges and filling pot holes is what's bankrupting this country. Incredible. Paul Ryan is small potatoes. He is a good start, but even his budget would be a band aid on a severed limb. We need to bring ALL of our troops home and put them to work transporting EVERY illegal alien we can round up to the nearest border. Then we need to put them on our borders and use them to REALLY protect this country. We then need to legalize and tax all drugs and up the tax on alcohol and tobacco. Every state should have no less than one work camp. We should create the Department of Behavior and Cultural Standards in this country and put every adult up for review each year. If found through the Behavior and Cultural Standards committee that they have not met the minimum standard of decency in this country they are subject to immediate relocation to their state's work camp until rehabilitation is complete. The United States should immediately seize control of Ethiopia and every US prisoner currently serving a life sentence, repeat offenders and pedophiles will be subject to immediate and permanent relocation to the Ethiopian/U.S territory.

That's the only kind of solution set that will EVER start to fix our fundamental problems in this country. But you can go back to whining about bridges and other bullshit now. If anyone ever has the balls to run on a platform like this, all of you left wing maggots in diapers will get a serious wake up call as to how most citizens really feel in this country.


Well, I feel enlightened now. Thanks for straightening me out. I do hope you stick around.
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Re: Vampire: Paul Ryan

Postby jimmy two hands on Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:54 am

prewar wrote:What a crock of shit to argue like fixing bridges and filling pot holes is what's bankrupting this country. Incredible. Paul Ryan is small potatoes. He is a good start, but even his budget would be a band aid on a severed limb. We need to bring ALL of our troops home and put them to work transporting EVERY illegal alien we can round up to the nearest border. Then we need to put them on our borders and use them to REALLY protect this country. We then need to legalize and tax all drugs and up the tax on alcohol and tobacco. Every state should have no less than one work camp. We should create the Department of Behavior and Cultural Standards in this country and put every adult up for review each year. If found through the Behavior and Cultural Standards committee that they have not met the minimum standard of decency in this country they are subject to immediate relocation to their state's work camp until rehabilitation is complete. The United States should immediately seize control of Ethiopia and every US prisoner currently serving a life sentence, repeat offenders and pedophiles will be subject to immediate and permanent relocation to the Ethiopian/U.S territory.


Got any solutions for the canadian problem, chompers?
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Re: Vampire: Paul Ryan

Postby motorbike guy on Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:57 am

prewar wrote:That's the only kind of solution set that will EVER start to fix our fundamental problems in this country. But you can go back to whining about bridges and other bullshit now. If anyone ever has the balls to run on a platform like this, all of you left wing maggots in diapers will get a serious wake up call as to how most citizens really feel in this country.



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Re: Vampire: Paul Ryan

Postby Luzwei on Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:00 am

jimmy two hands wrote:
prewar wrote:What a crock of shit to argue like fixing bridges and filling pot holes is what's bankrupting this country. Incredible. Paul Ryan is small potatoes. He is a good start, but even his budget would be a band aid on a severed limb. We need to bring ALL of our troops home and put them to work transporting EVERY illegal alien we can round up to the nearest border. Then we need to put them on our borders and use them to REALLY protect this country. We then need to legalize and tax all drugs and up the tax on alcohol and tobacco. Every state should have no less than one work camp. We should create the Department of Behavior and Cultural Standards in this country and put every adult up for review each year. If found through the Behavior and Cultural Standards committee that they have not met the minimum standard of decency in this country they are subject to immediate relocation to their state's work camp until rehabilitation is complete. The United States should immediately seize control of Ethiopia and every US prisoner currently serving a life sentence, repeat offenders and pedophiles will be subject to immediate and permanent relocation to the Ethiopian/U.S territory.


Got any solutions for the canadian problem, chompers?


holy shit, that was good. no? we had work camps here. they are a lot of fun.
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Re: Vampire: Paul Ryan

Postby jimmy two hands on Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:03 am

motorbike guy wrote:
prewar wrote:That's the only kind of solution set that will EVER start to fix our fundamental problems in this country. But you can go back to whining about bridges and other bullshit now. If anyone ever has the balls to run on a platform like this, all of you left wing maggots in diapers will get a serious wake up call as to how most citizens really feel in this country.



go away, sheriff joe troll.


It's so funny when right wing militia types talk about having balls, when they're all scared of immigrants and brown people and female sexuality and whatever else makes their penises feel small. Just a bunch of fearful candy-asses, these guys.
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Re: Vampire: Paul Ryan

Postby DrAwkward on Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:29 am

prewar wrote: I'm afraid of what illegal immigrants are doing to this country. My country.


Don't worry, they got the smallpox out of the blankets at least 20 years ago.
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Re: Vampire: Paul Ryan

Postby Luzwei on Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:40 am

But who would work all the shitty jobs you Americans are better than?
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Re: Vampire: Paul Ryan

Postby jimmy two hands on Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:42 am

prewar wrote:Second, it's nothing to do with fear of people. I'm afraid of what illegal immigrants are doing to this country. My country.

What are they doing to your country beyond browning it?
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Re: Vampire: Paul Ryan

Postby DrAwkward on Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:43 am

prewar wrote:Useless, jokey, bullshit rhetoric. Always.


Well, i figured yours was already clogging up the thread...
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Re: Vampire: Paul Ryan

Postby Luzwei on Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:58 am

prewar wrote:Look, Luzwei. Leave the important topics about freedom to the adults that aren't stuck in a shit hole, third world Communist abortion of Eastern Europe, ok? You're people already fucked up your world. We're trying to salvage ours over here.


Oh yeah. You're doing great work all over the world. You are completely correct. Adults indeed.
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Re: Vampire: Paul Ryan

Postby johnnyshape on Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:13 am

Man, I think we're gonna need another run to the popcorn store. Hell, at this rate maybe someone should set up a stand.

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Re: Vampire: Paul Ryan

Postby chumpchange on Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:19 am

prewar wrote:Look, Luzwei. Leave the important topics about freedom to the adults that aren't stuck in a shit hole, third world Communist abortion of Eastern Europe, ok?


Yes, the reasoned words of an adult.

prewar wrote:You're people already fucked up your world. We're trying to salvage ours over here.


And salvaging it will remain on the back-burner, while you continue 75+ years of fucking up the rest of the world.
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Re: Vampire: Paul Ryan

Postby don.chaney on Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:29 am

prewar wrote:That shit he wrote.

prewar in Bill Burr thread wrote:Do you guys honestly relate to the whole long bit about your guy friends calling you a fag for liking certain things? Because that's my problem with him, I think. I can't relate to that. Not since junior high could I relate to that. The dad on a ladder bit? I fucking love being a dad and I love working on our house. Again, can't relate. I just find it very surprising and a little depressing that this routine resonates with so many guys.

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Re: Vampire: Paul Ryan

Postby Wood Goblin on Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:35 am

seanurban wrote:
numberthirty wrote:
seanurban wrote:Why would anyone invest in Chicago or Detroit when there's a new corruption charge every day? That's the problem. It's not underinvestment. It's distrust of the politicians. I'd rather support someone who's honest than someone who just tells me what I want to hear.
While I can see some of what you're saying, please list these people who are honest.
It's hard to find examples of political courage today. One that stands out is Jim Mcdermott (d-wash.), who changed his TARP vote from YES to NO after everyone else wanted to change from NO to YES. I believe he's the only congressman who had the courage to admit he was wrong and change his vote in opposition to the majority. That isn't hypocrisy. It's making a decision based on the best available info, in the face of major political pressure.
I see he's also pro online gambling, unlike our democratic governor.


Big fan of Jim McDermott. Always have been.

His position on TARP, however, was wrong. Flawed though it may have been, TARP was absolutely the right thing to have done. And I'd argue that voting in favor of it was the politically courageous thing to do, seeing as how it was so unpopular with voters. In fact, the pair of TARP votes would serve as a great illustration of game theory in action, seeing as how so many Congressmen clearly hoped that the thing would pass in spite of their own "no" votes.

(There's also no question that the initial TARP proposal was weak and that the failed vote strengthed it. But that's a different topic altogether.)
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Re: Vampire: Paul Ryan

Postby Andrew. on Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:32 pm

Guy's an evil douche, but the fact is such Austerity Über Alles currently governs much of the West. See: David Cameron (UK), Mariano Rajoy (Spain), Angela Merkel (Germany/EU). These world leaders are taken very seriously by media, finance, and political elites, as they inflict fanatical rightwing budgets on millions.

Ryan is a symptom of how far right politics have swung in the absence of a political left, as much as he's scum embodied. After all, Democrats haven't been hesitant about going after SS and "entitlements" (stupid term). During "negotiations" with House Republicans it was Obama who proposed to slash all three entitlement programs.

NYT wrote:The White House agreed to cut at least $250 billion from Medicare in the next 10 years and another $800 billion in the decade after that, in part by raising the eligibility age. The administration had endorsed another $110 billion or so in cuts to Medicaid and other health care programs, with $250 billion more in the second decade. And in a move certain to provoke rebellion in the Democratic ranks, Obama was willing to apply a new, less generous formula for calculating Social Security benefits, which would start in 2015.


And you can laugh at Ryan, but it was Clinton who not only repealed Glass-Steagall (99) and ended "welfare as we know it" (96), but first tried to "fix social security" by routing SS revenue into the stock market.

Clinton's point man for "fixing" social security was investment banker Erskine Bowles (Morgan Stanley, etc). Funny: the exact dude Obama tapped to head his Deficit Commission. And there's serious talk Bowles will replace Wall St water-carrier Timothy Geithner as Treasury Sec for Obama's 2nd term.

So while it's fun to burn effigies of Ryan, last I checked most here are capital-D Democrats, so I'm not sure what's holding your feet up while you laugh. If you think Obama and Bowles are going to stand between SS and the vampire capitalists, you're up in some real magical thinking.

While the rest of us are wasting our time worrying about whether Barack Obama or Mitt Romney are sitting in the White House the next four years, [the Washington Post] tells us (approvingly) that these honchos are scurrying through back rooms in Washington trying to carve out a deficit deal.

The plan is that we will get the rich folks' deal regardless of who wins the election. It is difficult to imagine a more contemptuous attitude toward democracy.

The deal that this gang (led by Morgan Stanley director Erskine Bowles) is hatching will inevitably include some amount of tax increases and also large budget cuts. At the top of the list, as Pearlstein proudly tells us, are cuts to Social Security and Medicare. At a time when we have seen an unprecedented transfer of income to the top one percent, these deficit warriors are placing a top priority on snatching away a portion of Social Security checks that average $1,200 a month. Yes, the country needs this.

The most likely cut to Social Security is a reduction in the annual cost of living adjustment of 0.3 percentage points. While that might sound trivial, the effect accumulates through time. After ten years, a typical check will be about 3 percent lower, after 20 years it will be 6 percent lower, and after 30 years it will be about 9 percent lower.

Social Security amounts to 90 percent or more of the income for one-third of seniors. For this group, the proposed cut in benefits would be a considerably larger share of their income that the higher taxes faced by someone earning $300,000 a year as a result of the repeal of the Bush tax cuts on high income earners. The latter is supposed to be a big deal, therefore the proposed cuts to Social Security are also a big deal.

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Looks like the fix is in.
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Re: Vampire: Paul Ryan

Postby steve on Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:24 pm

prewar wrote:Useless, jokey, bullshit rhetoric. Always.

Put your logic where your mouth is fuckstick. Give your apartment to an Ojibwa.

Fuck your ignorance.

You'd better stop attacking other posters or you're not going to be welcome here.
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