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Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby UMP on Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:11 pm

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Re: Disney product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby El Protoolio on Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:56 pm

Reminds me of this from 1976

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Postby jimmy two hands on Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:22 am

Also withholding my vote til I see the movie. I'm looking forward to this but will be upset if has the same plot as Empire.
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Re: Disney product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby J_Temperance on Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:41 am

Cautiously optimistic for this. Although it's silly to infer stuff from a mere trailer I'll still do so and say that this does seem to have a tone similar to The Empire Strikes Back's. As mentioned before the people involved are people who generally know what the're doing.
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Re: Disney product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby elisha wiesner on Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:11 pm

I have no way of knowing until I see it but I'll probably like it.

I love being a casual Star Wars fan. I don't have to read spoilers or care about all the stupid shit. I can easily say that Return of the Jedi was pretty bad and the two Jar-Jar George Lucas ones that that I saw were fucking terrible. I didn't even bother with the third one. I can also say that I loved the last two and even if they pretty much just re-make Empire with the new cast, I'm fine with that. I'll probably be entertained.
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Re: Disney product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby thelonelymastodronus on Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:28 pm

I think this is probably the best looking movie Rian Johnson and Steve Yedlin have both made since Brick. So NC for that alone.

Plot-wise, I really liked it too. Takes the old tropes but subverts them into something that feels oddly natural. For a blockbuster, I thought it was a pretty good movie about failure.
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Re: Disney product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby El Protoolio on Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:23 pm

It was very different and very good. Mark Hamill gave a great performance and his story arc in this film was perfect. I was confused at first but that’s just because it’s so different. Familiar callbacks and characters. Completely unfamiliar territory.

And it does look just fucking fantastic.



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Postby jonsolomon on Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:03 pm

thelonelymastodronus wrote:For a blockbuster, I thought it was a pretty good movie about failure.


I really appreciate that description.

First thing I said after the movie ended: “That was easily my favorite of the prequels.”

Realized the following AM that some of the stuff that didn’t click for me (casino animal escape, apple-cheeked urchins, etc.) would have been totally fun/fine/welcome in an episode of Rebels.

Also, those things were less “for me” and more for the young lady I get to go see the movie with on Monday.

The same young lady who kept yelling “SO, WHO IS REY’S DAD?!??” at me instead of going to bed when I got home.

Everything else, I pretty much loved.
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Re: Disney product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby seanurban on Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:23 am

My little lady did the same:
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Re: Disney product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby Tom on Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:47 am

Really liked it, thought it was probably a half hour too long;
The aesthetics were gorgeous and sometimes reminded me of b-fantasy from the early 80's (krull, flash gordon), like Snoke's throne room and the jedi library.

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The whole casino scene seemed out of place and really stalled the pacing. I liked benicio's character, but the whole sequence was awkward.

Wtf with phasma and snoke? I'll suspend my dismay until the last movie is out, but those two characters were just there - did nothing - died? no backstory, no revelations, no purpose. Am I missing something?

I've said for since the first one that Kylo Ren is one of the best villains I've seen and this only confirms it. Adam Driver is doing a fantastic job with a fantastic character.
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Postby Snowblinder on Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:43 pm

Too much humor throughout for my taste, from a Star Wars film anyway. Right off the bat until nearly the end. Beyond that one personal gripe, I loved it.
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby steve on Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:32 am

The little nod to Hardware Wars was great.
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Postby pldms on Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:34 am

Quite early on it felt as if the writing process had involved taking fan theories and doing precisely the opposite. This seems to have absolutely infuriated them, which is sufficient for a NOT CRAP on its own.
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby Tom on Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:15 am

steve wrote:The little nod to Hardware Wars was great.


I only saw hardware wares once or twice, no later than age 6, but seeing that iron before it was revealed to be an iron instantly took me back.
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby Ike on Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:09 am

It's not crap, but by far the worst of the newer three films.

The second half got goooooood. Too much goofy slapstick shit for me, but it's ultimately a kids' movie, so I gotta check myself there.

Rogue One is twice as good, TFA is 1/4 portion as good.
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby El Protoolio on Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:59 am

steve wrote:The little nod to Hardware Wars was great.


Wait, YOU went to see a Star Wars film? Have you seen the others?

Also, yes it was. When it first showed up my intital thought was “this is bullshit, it just looks like an iron!” And then the reveal came and I laughed like an idiot.
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby righthanded on Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:45 pm

I feel like TLJ resides at the triple point of crap, not crap, and star wars.
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby SkronkFronkerdale on Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:43 pm

Haven't seen it yet but it has to be better than The Force Awakens, which I've come to think is the worst Star Wars movie ever made, even worse than the prequels. JJ Abrams is such a tool. He didn't direct this one so I figure it has a chance of not sucking, whereas the next and final one(for the time being) will surely suck mercilessly, being helmed by JJ Abrams and all. I deplore the mans formulaic style and the shamelessly cheap reaches he makes to win over the audience. Ever since seeing The Force Awakens I've come to appreciate what Lucas was at least trying to do in the prequels. Lucas at least had ideas! They were poorly executed, and the films lacked any and all humanity and half-decent dialogue, but the ideas themselves weren't nearly as bad as the films made them out to be. Some of them were pretty good. JJ Abrams' only idea was to copy the outline and pacing of A New Hope, which doesn't really surprise me, as JJ Abrams really really sucks.
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby VaticanShotglass on Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:14 pm

I agree with most of the positive comments here. I also agree with most of the reservations. I saw it with my mom, and she really liked it.

Since SPOILERS are flying, I'll make a few specific comments. SPOILERS ahoy.

1. I really like that the movie had a sense of mischief and a bit of chaos. The stuff about failure and limits really worked for me.

2. Related, and I know it is goofy, but little Yoda really tied it all together for me and rather emotionally at that. Maybe I'm a sap, but the movie, the series, and I needed his little talk. I really didn't see that coming and it did right by me. It was good to see the Yoda from my childhood.

3. The entire casino leg of the adventure didn't do it for me. I didn't like how it looked. I didn't care for the little kids. It was very prequel-like in look and feel. It was almost pointless. The one value it had aside from liberating some Pokemon horses was contributing to over theme of efforts made in vain. You might say it put us in touch with some of the practical evil of the villains in galactic society, but it did it in a pretty lame way.

4. Unfortunately Fin (Fen?) suffered as a character. His premise has promise, but the moves haven't done enough with it. The casino shenanigans didn't really pay off with him learning much of anything (compared to Poe, who seemed to finally see how he wasn't really helping with his bonehead plans). All he got to do was be reluctantly brave again and beat up Chroma Fett.

5. I like how Luke played the situation at the end.

I had other things in mind, but I'm really hungry right now and it all has suddenly left my head. But there is one thing that I've been bugged by since seeing it.

6. How come Luke is *using* a blue light saber at the end when he's been using a green one since ROJ??? Really, why? I'm not bothered, I just don't get it. It tipped me off right away that something was up. I'd like to know what you guys think on this. It just seems pointless.
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby aldofarian on Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:30 am

For a tuppeny worth, Driver and Daisy were great in it and saved what is a shit show of a script and plot.

I don't see it so much as a film about failure as a film about rank incompetence. Everyone in a position of power makes incomprehensibly bad decisions. Either that or it is a very clever parody of Trump/ Brexit/your behaviour at the Christmas party.
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