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Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

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Episode VIII - Glorified fan-fiction or genuine STAR WARS?

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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby blackmarket on Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:25 pm

Anthony Flack wrote:
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I guess there will be a new movie every year or two until there are so many Star Wars films that nobody can remember why they ever cared to begin with and it will slowly grind down until there is not a person left on Earth who hasn't had enough of Star Wars.


IIRC, the schedule is every six months for the foreseeable future. Star Wars "episode" films before Christmas, and the Star Wars "stories" (Rouge One, Han Solo, Bobba Fet, etc.) every Spring/Summer until the end of time. Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous/pathetic.
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby jimmy spako on Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:05 pm

They've got Ulrich Seidl lined up to do that Rancor keeper installment.
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby Anthony Flack on Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:06 pm

Two per year!

They'll run it into the ground in no time. Five years from now people will wonder how it was that anybody ever gave a shit about Star Wars.
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby Me Again on Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:25 pm

They can always use the excuse that it's ultimately "for kids" or that new iterations are "for the new generation, not the one that originally grew up with it."

Find me someone, anyone with a cash cow in 2017 who's willing to quit while he's ahead and not tarnish his (or someone else's) legacy and I'll be damn surprised. That's a rarity these days. Even people who don't need the money will stay at it because if nothing else it keeps them busy. What else will they do with themselves all day? Go golfing?

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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby first2letters on Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:15 pm

This is a glorious review that articulates a lot of the problems I had way better (and funnier) than I could. No spoilers unless you choose to watch it:

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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby geiginni on Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:20 am

I went with my parents the day after Xmas. I really enjoyed it quite a bit more than I expected. I expected I would hate it, but I think it was the best one of all the movies thus far. (Let's face it, American Graffiti is still Lucas' best movie.)

Now, my biggest complaint with the franchise is that it's really awful sci-fi. In a universe of endless wonders, and the realities of awareness and intelligence when coupled to the mastery of the material world and its boundless sources of energy are not explored in this genre. For me it's healthier to think of this franchise as Wagner Opera-set-in-space-in-a-1920s-kinda-mindset. You got your Siegmund and Sieglinde (Leia and Luke), your Tannhauser (current Luke), Tristan and Isolde (Anakin and Padme), the Meistersingers (Jedi), and the Ring of course is The Force. Instead of being set in the Rheinland or Valhalla or Nordic Lands, it's simply set a long time ago in a galaxy far far away (for which acknowledgement of special relativity and spacetime is about the only accurate science you get in this fiction!)

So yeah, as kids' entertainment via super-modern treatment of the 30s serial, it was a lot of fun; and I'll ignore the gaping inconsistencies and plot holes, thank you.

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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby Anthony Flack on Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:11 am

Star Wars is absolutely NOT sci-fi and never was. It's a traditional fairy tale with lasers.
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby sparky on Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:17 am

I think the plan is more like one new film a year. Still rather a lot, but not much more difficult to avoid than the endless Avengers this or Batman that.
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby Tom on Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:26 pm

My understanding is that it's 1 a year. alternating Episode one year, spin off the next year.
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby Zorg on Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:30 am

Anthony Flack wrote:Star Wars is absolutely NOT sci-fi and never was. It's a traditional fairy tale with lasers.


See, but I think this is where everything past the original trilogy falls hopelessy flat. The real heros of the franchise are the artists and designers who created the scifi world, vehicles and costumes and effects. The iconic things that I remember about the series are the ephemera, and this was all done by really talented craftsmen without 3D modeling or point of reference (in most cases). From what I have seen, futurism is a dead art.
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby Janeway on Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:47 am

"c'monnn, what kinda talk is thaaat?"


haha here's my impression of luke " dagobah system. rendezvous. Ben, beeeeeeeen"


does the kid say funny stuff all the times in the new one? i just want to see these new ones i can't get into these natalienprotman talking like James earl joneses in phantom menace
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby Janeway on Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:51 am

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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby Adam Sr on Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:52 am

Hard sci-fi isn't the only sci-fi.
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby Janeway on Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:07 am

it's fantasy fi , all that force magic doesn't have much science to it. It not like how star trek created actual blueprints for the ships used and how they're powered and what they're accomplishing , Star Wars focuses more on merchandise and family drama and politics with lasers. it's a fun soap opera in an outer space setting and its full of cool stuff

but it's not trying to accomplish anything except wow factor and profit with its storytelling

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does star wars even offer a scholarship program like the trekkies do?
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby Janeway on Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:29 am

nostalgia is a disease of self satisfaction, you're all just nerds getting off in public instead of your basements now . Good job revenge of the nerds is chicks getting harassed by darts Vader dudes (what was that scene about seriously?)

anyway everybody's just entertaining the shit out of themselves and now there's some regular apology schedule with more and more Star Wars so it never had to stop getting us off lesser and lesser eachother time?

how about we fix some world problems and find ways to make that entertaining. is anyone even trying to build lightsaber laser technology?
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby Anthony Flack on Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:22 pm

Zorg wrote:See, but I think this is where everything past the original trilogy falls hopelessy flat. The real heros of the franchise are the artists and designers who created the scifi world, vehicles and costumes and effects.


I completely agree about the production design. Star Wars' greatest asset was Ralph McQuarrie. The vehicles, the costumes, and just as importantly the fantastic sound effects were what made it, and people have been happily recycling those iconic ships and effects into video games for thirty years now.
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby wellsyuk on Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:53 am

How the fuck is this not 'Crap' so far? What a pile of Disney crap it was at that.

1) Pantomime villains with no menace
2) Pointless side plots with characters we don't know enough to care about (Casino stuff.. wtf)
3) Awful AWFUL comic moments they kept chucking in (leaking water suits, stupid island creatures, Luke tossing sabre etc.)
4) Luke storyline totally wasted, just ends up looking like Chuck Norris and being an animated shoe-in to save the day when he previously didn't care (at least he gets to skip the next crap film I suppose)
5) No back story to Snoke so who really cares he died, and what was the resulting impact on the First Order, which just seems to be the same force with every film and no consequence of the previous rebellion victory happens?

The only interesting bit was Luke's dialogue about legends and Jedi etc. Although he wasn't the last Jedi anyway right as Leia can bloody Jedi float and stuff. WAY too long and boring.
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby blackmarket on Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:16 am

Tom wrote:My understanding is that it's 1 a year. alternating Episode one year, spin off the next year.


Nope. It's every six months for the last year and the next couple, at least. We just had an "Episode" film. Solo this Spring. Episode IX next Christmas, probably another off-trilogy "story" Spring of '19. And so on.
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby El Protoolio on Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:59 am

Episode 9 is scheduled for 2019, not next Christmas. They haven’t even started shooting yet. They couldn’t shoot and do post production and reshoots and market it in less than 12 months. Between 8 and Solo is only 6 months but after that it goes back to longer intervals. 9 will be out in either May or December of 2019. Either way we have a year and a half to two years of a wait.
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Re: Disney Product: STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

Postby Big John on Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:43 am

Yea one Star Wars Movie per year a alternating stand alones with the continuing story.

I liked the movie although I am not a big Star Wars (which seemed like 1930 flash gordin space opera) fan but enjoy the high budget reels of top quality effects shots and such. It succeeded in doing what was needed in this episode and was entertaining. I think anything that seemed odd probably related to the director who was used to making a film for a fraction of the price of a Star Wars film trying out a bunch of things I assume there is probably a lot more movie that was cut out and would have explained things.

I really like Jumanji 2 which was really good mostly because of the acting. It made me wish that the Star Wars movie had had longer scenes which allowed the actors to chew up the expensive sets as they did in the first group (due to the cost of sets) with a slower pace to the story it would have improved things. Generally modern movies are set to keep a super fast pace like a roller coaster and the speed of things keeps you form really making any judgements about any huge plot holes.

It would have been nice for this movie to get slower pace with a longer flash back of the period of the jedi academy to gain some more back story. I also think some long scenes of Luke, Rey and on the island with Chewie would have given more depth to the characterization and given some time for the actors to act. It would be nice to catch up with the old characters and have a beer with them as opposed to seeing them pass by through the window of a bus.

I found some stuff confusing when Rey chops the stone with the light saber it falls on a cart being carried by some cartoony characters in costume which was a funny reaction shot but they had not been introduced before or after this scene and it seemed like Luke was surviving alone on the island with wild life so it seemed jarring there was a village of intelligent possibly trading creatures on the island.

Also we see the Falcon leaving the island apparently full of comic local wild animals and then have the scene with Luke wanting to burn the tree down with the Yoda appearance. Yoda is telling him that he should train Rey but she has already left so the scene seemed out of order?

I think some more screen time with Leah on the ship dealing with her grief and her struggle (since the original movies which we don't know much about) and the loss of so many of her friends would have given her some depth more than the plot machinations of using the force being in a coma and such. But this improvement would have been at the expense of effects so who needs actual characterization when you can get a couple of high pixel count ultra mattes going on..

When the window gets blown out of the ship they seem to have force fields sealing holes all over the ship I could not figure out why they would use only glass here. They killed off a lot of side characters to no great effect due to no emotional investment by the audience due to the fast pacing of the overall plot and under exposition. But the effect of frost on Leah and the hand beam back to the ship through the floating debris was some top quality stuff. I mean there must have been 100 hours in each piece of debris and their vector trajectories.

I mean honestly if Rey, Finn or any of the other new characters died I don't know if we would care. Hell at least Snoike (who I have no idea where he came from or what he was about) but he seemed to come off as nasty and evil and more developed a character than any of these other new cardboard cut outs I will miss him. Maybe if I play with the action figures I can make up my own back story that will make me care. If Leahs ship had blown up and they all died I don't know if it would have bothered me much if there was some cool shooting ships and exploding's.

So more acting longer scenes less sub plot overall and a lot more deep characterization, would have improve things. I don't think they even needed to have the need for any big arc of a battle or struggle this movie. I would like to get to know the characters and their stories. Or less of this and more special effects shots.

But like I say I just go to star wars to check out the state of the art expensive special effects so none of this really mattered to me and I would gladly see it again. The guys who do the special effects on these things are great and you can imagine they have dreamed all their lives of getting to work on a Star Wars film so man the effects are awesome.
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