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VU solo-dome: Berlin vs Paris 1919

Postby J_Temperance on Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:47 pm

Out of these sister albums which one gets your goat the most? I'd say both of them are perfect for what they're trying to achieve but Berlin just gets me that extra bit more since it's just fucking bonkers. Lou Reed has the most anti-rock opera voice in the history of everything but somehow it works! Paris 1919 is just perfect "White Album" esque pop rock music but how many albums like that are there? 5?
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Re: VU solo-dome: Berlin vs Paris 1919

Postby SecondEdition on Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:28 pm

Paris 1919 easily. Berlin got killed by the production.
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Re: VU solo-dome: Berlin vs Paris 1919

Postby Adam Sr on Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:45 pm

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Re: VU solo-dome: Berlin vs Paris 1919

Postby Redline on Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:52 pm

I like Berlin. I could never sit through Paris 1919. I would get up, wash the dishes, start reading a magazine...And ignore the record. I eventually sold it.

Berlin I could listen to all the way through.
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Re: VU solo-dome: Berlin vs Paris 1919

Postby P.J. Craven on Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:07 pm

Very hard for me to choose, but I gotta go with Berlin. At first I thought I couldn't pick one over the other, but I often find myself skipping over "Graham Greene."
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Re: VU solo-dome: Berlin vs Paris 1919

Postby Model Citizen on Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:37 am

Paris 1919 for me, though I think I prefer Vintage Violence to both.

Berlin's no slouch, don't get me wrong, but something about Cale's songwriting and singing has always grabbed me more. I find it really easy to listen to him over and over again.
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Re: VU solo-dome: Berlin vs Paris 1919

Postby Isabelle Gall on Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:48 am

Paris 1919 easily, but I would give a complete VU solo-dome to Nico in a second.
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Re: VU solo-dome: Berlin vs Paris 1919

Postby P.J. Craven on Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:12 am

Isabelle Gall wrote:Paris 1919...but I would give a complete VU solo-dome to Nico in a second.


Cale's, Reed's solo albums are like, my favorite solo records these days. The above is a bold statement.
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Re: VU solo-dome: Berlin vs Paris 1919

Postby llllllllllllllllllllllll on Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:12 am

Isabelle Gall wrote:Paris 1919 easily, but I would give a complete VU solo-dome to Nico in a second.


Yeah, I think this is fair. The Marble Index is one motherfucker of a record. I like a couple of her others too.
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Re: VU solo-dome: Berlin vs Paris 1919

Postby MJongo on Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:41 pm

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Isabelle Gall wrote:Paris 1919 easily, but I would give a complete VU solo-dome to Nico in a second.


Yeah, I think this is fair. The Marble Index is one motherfucker of a record. I like a couple of her others too.


Thirding this. The Marble Index and Desertshore beat everything put out by Reed or Cale by quite a bit imo.
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Re: VU solo-dome: Berlin vs Paris 1919

Postby sulfur)addict on Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:04 pm

In fairness, John Cale is a good deal why those records are so incredible, but yeah, the Peel Sessions where it's just Nico and her harmonium prove that she's the haunting force of nature behind those songs.

Re: Paris 1919 and Berlin, it's funny, because I think both of these albums have better a second side than the first, which is rare.

I think it's Berlin, that suite on the second side is the most harrowing, bitterly mean, and defeated thing Lou Reed ever did - and it's Lou Reed. But walking around the Latin Quarter in Paris with the Cale's title track was as elegiac as I've ever felt. Good poll!
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Re: VU solo-dome: Berlin vs Paris 1919

Postby NewDarkAge on Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:18 pm

Paris 1919 is one of my favourite records. Nobody ever talks about how good the lyrics on that album are. Using the Paris Peace Conference and a disastrous wedding as extended counterpoints to each other is something, making it actually work in a pop song is really something. It's also only like half an hour long. To the point.

I think Berlin is a fascinating piece of work though. Drags in parts. Disagree that the production ruins it, I think the whole decadent, late Weimar, Berlin Stories aesthetic is integral. Without that it isn't Berlin.
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Re: VU solo-dome: Berlin vs Paris 1919

Postby llllllllllllllllllllllll on Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:50 pm

NewDarkAge wrote:Paris 1919 is one of my favourite records. Nobody ever talks about how good the lyrics on that album are.


Say what?
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Re: VU solo-dome: Berlin vs Paris 1919

Postby NewDarkAge on Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:52 pm

They're not good, or people talk about them?
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Re: VU solo-dome: Berlin vs Paris 1919

Postby SkronkFronkerdale on Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:52 pm

MJongo wrote:
llllllllllllllllllllllll wrote:
Isabelle Gall wrote:Paris 1919 easily, but I would give a complete VU solo-dome to Nico in a second.


Yeah, I think this is fair. The Marble Index is one motherfucker of a record. I like a couple of her others too.


Thirding this. The Marble Index and Desertshore beat everything put out by Reed or Cale by quite a bit imo.


Absolutely it does. I'd take The Marble Index over the entirety of Reed and Cale's solo work, but I really really love Nico's solo stuff. The End is also great.
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Re: VU solo-dome: Berlin vs Paris 1919

Postby jtyler on Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:13 am

Berlin all the way. I'm not the biggest Bob Ezrin fan, but his production totally works on that record. Admittedly, I've not spent enough time with John Cale's solo work, but I love his contributions to the VU. I remember my friend's dad had the Guts LP cover tacked up on one of their basement walls, and I always thought it looked cool.
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Re: VU solo-dome: Berlin vs Paris 1919

Postby llllllllllllllllllllllll on Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:31 am

NewDarkAge wrote:They're not good, or people talk about them?


I feel like Cale’s lyrics, particularly in regard to Paris 1919 are pretty renowned! Could totally just be me.
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Re: VU solo-dome: Berlin vs Paris 1919

Postby NewDarkAge on Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:48 pm

llllllllllllllllllllllll wrote:
NewDarkAge wrote:They're not good, or people talk about them?


I feel like Cale’s lyrics, particularly in regard to Paris 1919 are pretty renowned! Could totally just be me.


Oh cool! I guess I must be moving in the wrong circles, then.
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