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Artist: Billy Joel

Postby SchnappM on Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:51 pm

I have always heard his music on the radio and whatnot, but just very recently, my friend who plays piano has been learning Billy Joel songs because he's a big Billy Joel fan, and I'm acquiring quite a liking for his music. I haven't heard an awful lot aside from his singles and I don't have any of his albums yet, but I have to admit that the stuff I've heard is really, really, really good, and several of his songs border on brilliant.

He gets a lot of disrespect, though. I have a feeling that there'll be quite a few 'crap' votes on this one, although I cannot see how anyone can deny the genius of songs like "Piano Man" and "Scenes From An Italian Restaurant."
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Postby capnreverb on Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:16 pm

SchnappM wrote:I have always heard his music on the radio and whatnot, but just very recently, my friend who plays piano has been learning Billy Joel songs because he's a big Billy Joel fan, and I'm acquiring quite a liking for his music. I haven't heard an awful lot aside from his singles and I don't have any of his albums yet, but I have to admit that the stuff I've heard is really, really, really good, and several of his songs border on brilliant.

He gets a lot of disrespect, though. I have a feeling that there'll be quite a few 'crap' votes on this one, although I cannot see how anyone can deny the genius of songs like "Piano Man" and "Scenes From An Italian Restaurant."


Thats some top notch sarcasm. Well done. Espicially the "although I cannot see how anyone can deny the genius of songs like "Piano Man" and "Scenes From An Italian Restaurant." Whats next, the pop orgasm of "Uptown Girl", or the towering social commentary of "We didn't start the Fire"?
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Postby Dylan on Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:41 am

Ah, the good captain and his ship of wit...

Billy Joel is a great C/NC topic: he's done some good stuff and some god-awful stuff. I think his early solo records are pretty darn good, actually. For a time, he was writing some classic stuff.

Once he entered his Joe Kellerman phase and started looking like a serial killer, my interest waned.


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Postby tmidgett on Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:34 am

total crap

sometimes, when i feel like torturing my wife, i make her play 'what's your favorite billy joel song?' it basically consists of me singing as much of as many billy joel songs as i can remember.

i think he's about 1/2 as good as elton john. who's about 1/2 as good as neil young. but he's pretty good.
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Postby Seaside Lounge on Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:25 am

I heard "Zanzibar" on the radio a while back. What an epic!

Sure, there are plenty of Billy Joel songs that make me want to throw up (Piano Man and Scenes from and Italian Restaurant in particular), but there's some stuff I actually really like - Don't Ask Me Why, Movin' Out, For the Longest Time, Only the Good Die Young..the list goes on.

Here in New York Billy Joel is on the front page of the Post every time he has a car accident, which is pretty often.

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Postby Maurice on Tue Apr 27, 2004 12:26 pm

Seaside Lounge wrote:Here in New York Billy Joel is on the front page of the Post every time he has a car accident, which is pretty often.


I will give Billy Joel points for his medicated meltdown during that one NY show with Elton John, the one where he apparently kept shouting out the names of various WWII battles. (I recall reading about it in the NYT, and I'm sure that link's long gone.)

Also, when I heard about the first car accident, I wondered if he was working on a Jackson Pollock impersonation or something.

Otherwise, CRAP.
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Postby Angus Jung on Tue Apr 27, 2004 12:53 pm

Billy Joel is the living embodiment of CRAP, but I would truly love to hear his first band, Attila, someday:

http://usuarios.lycos.es/stormfront/atila.htm
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Postby Bradley R. Weissenberger on Tue Apr 27, 2004 4:21 pm

Angus Jung wrote:Billy Joel is the living embodiment of CRAP, but I would truly love to hear his first band, Attila, someday:

http://usuarios.lycos.es/stormfront/atila.htm

I want to hear this record, too!

"Rising from the ashes of Billy Joel's Long Island-based rock & roll band the Hassles, Attila was an embarrassingly discordant duo that also featured the Hassles' Jon Small. Described by Joel at the time as "psychedelic bullshit," their self-titled debut album came out in 1970. A critical and commercial disaster, it featured Joel on a heavily distorted B-3 organ, with an Attila the Hun theme that included Joel and Small's appearance on the cover dressed as Huns. The album's lack of success virtually guaranteed that there would not be another Attila project; the group's demise was also sealed when Joel began an affair with Small's wife, Elizabeth, whom he eventually married."
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Postby STF on Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:19 pm

Billy Joel--and I will brook no argument--is CRAP.

However, I have played "It's Still Rock and Roll to Me" on a terrible jukebox once when I was completely stumped for anything to play. Someone had already punched in some stuff from The Cars' first record and the Sheryl Crowe song I wanted to hear.

Is that Crowe with an "e"?

At any rate, she's not so crap. Maybe I'll make a poll...
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Postby Mayfair on Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:18 am

When I was in high school I got tickets to the Who’s final tour for me and a friend. I HAD to go, right?! I mean it was their FINAL TOUR!! I am so glad I did not pass up that opportunity… Imagine…missing their FINAL TOUR! HA! ..ugh…

Anyway, my friend returned the favor by taking me to a Billy Joel concert. It was the Nylon Curtain tour. Now at this point I had a subscription to Modern Drummer (you know the magazine that always had Jeff Picaro of Toto on the cover and an article about Alex VanHalen making his own drums…again…) so I was familiar with BJ’s drummer, Liberty DeVito. I thought it was worth it to go for that reason alone.

I will spare you the details of this night of horror and shame except for this detail that for me sums it all up. During one of the hits that Billy played on his own, his band gathered ‘round a prop table and PANTOMIMED playing cards and did it very theatrically. At a certain point in the song when it is all brought down to the emotional part, the card miming band members slowed there actions until they all froze like mannequins until the song was over…and there was a whole verse and chorus to go! Even then with my zit covered face and acid wash jeans, I knew that was wrong…very wrong.

I am sorry Mr. Joel. You get a crap for that. Not even the video for Uptown Girl could right that wrong.
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Postby STF on Wed Apr 28, 2004 6:08 pm

Billy Joel has composed a successful Broadway musical called "Movin' Out" and I'm sure I would rather eat my own face than see it. Or any musical, for that matter.
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Postby Superking on Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:13 pm

Billy Billy Billy....

You Tin Pan Alley fucking hack.... CRAP.

But the Tin Pan stuff was way better than late-model BJ: River of Whatever, etc...

In my youth I had a fondness for the man -- "Allentown" was kinda nice, to my innocent ears (all those crazy chord changes!), before I realized what a dumb-ass self-righteous role-play it was... Then again -- do you think steelworkers in Allentown, PA dig this song? I bet it was a big hit with 'em.

OK. "Big Shot" is nice in it's own perverse way. And "Italian Restaurant" is good for a laff if you're kinda drunk. And "Uptown Girl" is funny cuz people get mad when they're riding in your car and it comes on the radio and you turn it up and sing along....
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Postby Noah on Fri Apr 30, 2004 11:16 am

billy joel should go to hell
your an idiot
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Postby tmidgett on Fri Apr 30, 2004 11:37 am

you know, i may prefer neil sedaka to billy joel

that is saying a lot
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Postby Mr. Chimp on Fri Apr 30, 2004 11:57 am

Crap, for providing a torch song that every poor hack who hammers away at a piano in a dive bar can play and find inspiration (and the audience singing along)

Have you ever been to one of those piano bars, like Davenport's on Milwaukee? I got dragged there once on a date, and while it was....fun in it's own way, you should have seen the regular crowd go apoplectic when the dualling piano players launched into "Piano Man" while a garish female (?) veteran of decades of off-off-off Chicago Broadway musical theater blessed the crowd with a rendition that not only was an octave lower than the original, but was also resplendent with performer-breaking-fourth-wall asides, lap sitting and audience member face-touching.

I believe there are full areas of Hell devoted to this scenario.


I still really like Allentown, unashamed.
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Postby kerble on Mon May 03, 2004 5:25 pm

One of my worst uncontrollable habits is to wake up and have Billy Joel's "I Go to Extremes" stuck in my head. It makes me want to die quickly. The dark dismal feeling of horror that clouds my brain overshadows any liking of billy joel that may have inadvertently slipped past my better-judgement sensors.


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Postby Justin Foley on Mon May 03, 2004 10:46 pm

This is the easiest one ever. Ever ever ever.

This is easier than "The Communards". This is easier than "Air Supply, Reunited". This is even easier than "Air Supply playing the song 'Reunited'".

Billy Joel almost deserves his own game. The game should be - "yeah, that's bad, but Billy Joel is worse."

Worse than Burzum.
Worse than the last incarnation of Menudo.
Worse than RaHoWa.

You can't come up with anything worse than Billy Joel. It's terrible beyond terrible that I have ever heard one of his songs, much less know how to hum it. That in itself is a wide sweeping, irrefutable damnation of the music industry. "What's wrong with commercial entertainment, you curmudgeon?" "Billy Joel."

I've got to stop typing now. I've got to go do something else for a bit. I'm compelled to go on and on, but I shouldn't. This started as fun, but now I'm getting angry.

There's a windshield out there, somewhere, that will sever his gurgling jugular and bring an end to this awfulness. I hope that they're installing it right now on some overpriced Maybach, set for speedy delivery to Long Island, USA. I hope that car sails off the LIE soon, just outside of King's Park. I also hope that in his last drunken death throes, flailing about, his knee smacks the radio. In this pleasant fantasy, the radio scans to WFMU, playing the Merzbox end to end. I would like Mr. Joel to listen to this as the car catches fire and his wife's plastic tits begin to melt.

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Postby SchnappM on Tue May 04, 2004 12:38 pm

Justin from Queens wrote:This is the easiest one ever. Ever ever ever.

This is easier than "The Communards". This is easier than "Air Supply, Reunited". This is even easier than "Air Supply playing the song 'Reunited'".

Billy Joel almost deserves his own game. The game should be - "yeah, that's bad, but Billy Joel is worse."

Worse than Burzum.
Worse than the last incarnation of Menudo.
Worse than RaHoWa.

You can't come up with anything worse than Billy Joel. It's terrible beyond terrible that I have ever heard one of his songs, much less know how to hum it. That in itself is a wide sweeping, irrefutable damnation of the music industry. "What's wrong with commercial entertainment, you curmudgeon?" "Billy Joel."

I've got to stop typing now. I've got to go do something else for a bit. I'm compelled to go on and on, but I shouldn't. This started as fun, but now I'm getting angry.

There's a windshield out there, somewhere, that will sever his gurgling jugular and bring an end to this awfulness. I hope that they're installing it right now on some overpriced Maybach, set for speedy delivery to Long Island, USA. I hope that car sails off the LIE soon, just outside of King's Park. I also hope that in his last drunken death throes, flailing about, his knee smacks the radio. In this pleasant fantasy, the radio scans to WFMU, playing the Merzbox end to end. I would like Mr. Joel to listen to this as the car catches fire and his wife's plastic tits begin to melt.

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That's pretty harsh.
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Postby stephensolo on Sat May 08, 2004 4:07 pm

i feel like fucking alan dershowitz on here - why do i have to be the only one to defend this lush... sigh... ok,

there are way too many soley aesthetic-based opinions flying around here - and that my friends, is pure circumstantial evidence. he had some damn, DAMN catchy little songs. examples:

ny state of mind, just the way you are, only the good die young, you may be right, still rock and roll to me, tell her about it, uptown girl. not one of those is anything less than a damn good pop song.

now, as i understand the rules of this game, we have to account for the post-peak albums of artist just as much as peak work, so for this, he gets a crap vote from me as well. but again, to paint billy joel as the epitome of crap is silly.

hers another thing. billy joel is singular. yes, he's the most derivative motherfucking songwriter on the planet, but when you hear 2 seconds of a billy joel song, you know its him, even if you dont know the song.
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Postby Maurice on Sat May 08, 2004 4:17 pm

stephensolo wrote:i feel like fucking alan dershowitz on here


That's cool. Go right ahead; just don't try to get married. Wait--that isn't how you mean that, is it? Sorry, then; just forget I said that.

stephensolo wrote:hers another thing. billy joel is singular. yes, he's the most derivative motherfucking songwriter on the planet, but when you hear 2 seconds of a billy joel song, you know its him, even if you dont know the song.


See, that's the reason he gets CRAP from me. Sure, they're catchy. Sure, they're identifiable as him, even as they're totally derivative. It is true that he has songwriting and playing chops. And he has chosen to use these powers for EVIL. For this, we cannot forgive him.
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