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Ramones vs. Stooges vs The Velvet Underground?

The Velvet Underground
36
42%
The Stooges
34
40%
Ramones
16
19%
 
Total votes : 86

Either/Or: Ramones vs. Stooges vs The Velvet Underground

Postby Into the Void on Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:43 pm

This can be answered in one of two ways. 1) Which band, in your opinion, is most important and had the biggest influence on (for lack of a more specific term) "rock" music, or 2) which band you simply like the most.

I will go with VU, a hair over the Stooges, for both #1 and #2 above.
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Postby Andrew L. on Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:59 pm

Ooo, gosh, "hrm," that's a toughee, I vote 'stop these damn this or that and this or that or that' polls.

I'm sorry about the salt and pepper one. I'm sorry2004.

These polls, they are literally not amazing. Irrespective of how many replies they get.

Let's..................stick to like..........ARRRRRRRRG>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Postby Cranius on Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:18 pm

This poll is giving me option paralysis.

That means I'll have choose on the criteria of hairstyles.

Hmmmmmmmmm.....


No, I still can't decide.
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Postby Mark Lansing on Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:21 pm

I think in a very real way the Velvet Underground made both the Stooges and the Ramones possible, so they get my vote. Iggy has cited seeing the Velvets with the EPI as a major influence on his musical thinking, and the VU's minimalistic stuff is an obvious precursor to the Ramones. They're also my fave band of all time, though I sure do love me some Fun House and Rocket To Russia.
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Postby Brett Eugene Ralph on Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:29 pm

I am not motivated in the least, when appreciating music, by how "influential" a given band is or was. If you've ever seen "American Idol," it would seem that Mariah Carey is the most influential artist who ever lived. pretty much every band Skynyrd "influenced" is patently unlistenable, yet Skynyrd remains great. Go figure.

In other words: STOOGES
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Postby MorphineCharley on Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:43 pm

C'mon now. Can't we have a good old Creed vs. Television poll or something? Ugh. I gotta go Velvet Underground, I guess.
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Postby Angry_Dragon on Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:48 pm

Stooges, because the other two aren't worth a shit.
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Postby segerandpriest on Tue Jan 11, 2005 3:06 pm

jesus christ. _fun house_ is better than any velvets record, i guess, but every other velvets record (except _loaded_) outshines the other stooges albs. velvets it is, by a hair. and don't feel bad, iggy; there's no shame in being beat out by those dudes.

as for the ramones, i don't really see how they deserve mention in such company. but maybe i'm just not that punk.
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Postby pdc_heavy on Tue Jan 11, 2005 3:20 pm

I'm thinking...

1. The Ramones
2. The Stooges
3. VU
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Postby Dylan on Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:54 pm

I'm not going to win any friends with this one, but...


...I don't like any of these bands.












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Postby robert thefamilyghost on Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:00 pm

as great as The Stooges and Ramones were, scarce anything still even comes CLOSE to The Velvet Underground...the only band that i like more is Sonic Youth...but VU are so good i could claw my goddamned eyes out...i don't know why i'd do such a thing, but sweet lord what an amazing band!
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Postby robert thefamilyghost on Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:02 pm

Dylan wrote:Sometimes it's hard to be so alone.


hey, don't worry i'm sure somewhere across these great states you could find SOMEONE that isn't in to The Velvet Underground...but in a world filled with enthusiasts of all these bands it may be difficult, i know...
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Postby tmidgett on Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:50 am

velvets
stooges
ramones

i think you can make a case for any order. that is mine. i have internalized the music of the velvets completely, stooges entirely, and ramones thoroughly but only about three albums worth.

ramones were the funniest and least full of shit
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Postby run joe, run on Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:54 am

Dylan wrote:...I don't like any of these bands.



What, not at all? I'm not trying to be snooty; I'm genuinely curious.
Back off man, I'm a scientist.
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Postby mooliachi on Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:49 am

The Ramones had the rock, and the Velvets could make you feel like you were in a shooting gallery , but man o man, the fuckin' stooges just made me shake uncontrollably...and still do..

the stooges by a mile


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deep inside,




cuz I'm loose!"
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Postby Dylan on Wed Jan 12, 2005 10:05 am

run joe, run wrote:
Dylan wrote:...I don't like any of these bands.



What, not at all? I'm not trying to be snooty; I'm genuinely curious.


Velvets totally bore me. Ramones, I get the appeal but it doesn't do anything for me. Stooges, meh: I guess I'd pick them if I had to, but I don't really enjoy them as much as most people do. I guess I need to hear some, it's been a while.

Thanks for not jumping down my throat, though - that seems to be the usual response.
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Postby run joe, run on Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:01 pm

That's interesting. I can understand your feelings about The Ramones. Although I like The Ramones I think they are the weakest of the three here because they have the most limited aesthetic, and the least substance (both of which form the bedrock of their appeal, I get that).

The Stooges I love, and while - in my arrogance - I find it difficult to imagine somebody not liking them, I can kind of get my head around it.

But the one I would like to question you further about is The Velvets. I hope this doesn't come across as that pious and irritating cod-disbelief attitude that people sometimes take ("What? What do you mean you don't like ___ ? How can anyone not like ____ ?" etc). It is simply that I have never, in my whole life, met or come across anybody who (openly) didn't like this band. At least not anyone residing in the decent hemisphere of musical taste, which you clearly are.

Putting to one side their historical importance (which I agree is basically irrelevant to whether or not you enjoy the music), they are one of those bands I have always assumed would have something of value to every appreciator of music. Like, if you didn't like the first album, you might like the droning noise of 'White Light'. And if you didn't like that, you might like the soft intimacy of the third album, or even just Pale Blue Eyes, for example. So - if you don't mind, and if you can articulate it - what is it about them that makes you completely not enjoy them? Is it the whole schtick that comes with them, or the critical reverence which surrounds them? Or is it something within the music, something that stretches across the four albums that repels you?

I mean, you have already said that they bore you, and that is really explanation enough, I suppose. I'm just extremely interested, really.
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Postby geiginni on Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:24 pm

Dylan wrote:I'm not going to win any friends with this one, but...


...I don't like any of these bands.












Sometimes it's hard to be so alone.


You're not alone. I don't really like any of these bands either. One trick ponies each, whose tricks have been recycled into a battle cry of musical ignorance by their devotees.

It is oft stated that these groups liberated music from the constraints of formal structure, pop cliches, and academia. But, in thus being influential and creating a whole new musical paradigm which is followed today; they made music more rigid, cliche-able, and constrained in its structuring and style than anything previous. Not intentionally, but by virtue of their simple lack of mastery of the qualities they were rebelling against.

On an aside - Lou Reed and Frank Zappa were exact contemporaries and polar opposites. They hated each other, and what the other represented musically. I tend to side with Zappa. In fact, Lou Reed can go suck Zappa's nuts.

All are CRAP...or at least a big MEH....
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Postby Brett Eugene Ralph on Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:25 pm

[quote="geiginni"]I tend to side with Zappa.[quote]

That's all we need to know.
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Postby mattw on Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:42 pm

White Light/White Heat is the only VU record I'm not really into

I hate 'The Gift' and its only real saving grace is the full-on LR assault of 'I Heard Her Call My Name' and parts of 'Sister Ray'. The VU were the most exploratory of the three, so they win first. The Stooges get a set of steak knives and the Ramones are fired.
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