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Miles Davis or John Coltrane?

Miles Davis.
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John Coltrane.
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Either/Or: John Coltrane OR Miles Davis.

Postby a. james on Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:46 am

who do you prefer?

i myself prefer miles davis, the man who understands beauty in the understatement. who when asked by Coltrane what to do about all the notes he wants to play but can't replied, "take the fuckin' horn out ya mouth."
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Postby Angriest_Dragon on Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:09 am

Coltrane because he never made bad 80's jazz.
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Postby Champion Rabbit on Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:17 am

I'll take Miles.

His worst records were worse than Coltranes, but his best records were better. Really though, who can choose?

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Postby GhostFace on Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:36 am

great poll!

I'm gonna have to go with coltrane only because I have more coltrane records than davis records. But yes, they are both amazing yet polar oposites. Kind of Blue was the peanut butter and jelly finaly coming together.

coltrane never inspired sub genres of music.....but west coast and fusion are shit.
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Postby Edward on Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:25 am

Miles was only as good as his sidemen. Coltrane was incredible no matter what the setting. Champion Rabbit got it half right; Miles's worst records were worse than Coltrane's, but his best aren't as good as A Love Supreme, Meditations, or Live at the Village Vanguard. Plus, the ratio of CRAP to NOT CRAP in Miles's catalog is like an order of magnitude higher than that of Coltrane's.

It's no contest in my book: I'll take Trane any day of the week.
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Postby krakabash on Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:34 am

Rashaan Roland Kirk could play three saxes and a nose whistle at the same time.

Neither 'Trane nor Miles can fuck with that...
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Postby sunlore on Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:59 am

Coltrane.
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Postby a. james on Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:06 pm

krakabash wrote:Rashaan Roland Kirk could play three saxes and a nose whistle at the same time.

Neither 'Trane nor Miles can fuck with that...


i saw a video of this man. it was about the craziest thing i have ever seen.
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Postby djimbe on Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:17 pm

Tough call, but I gotta go Miles. And yes, I have the complete Village Vanguard set, and Love Supreme, and a buncha other Coltrane. I just seem to gravitate more to the Miles stuff, especially the Gil Evans collaboration material, and the Prestige sides. Sign me up for a high waffle factor though...
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Postby km on Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:31 pm

I listen to Miles more. John Coltrane's records are great but I don't know how you can make a substantiated argument that his records are "better" than Miles' records. Look at Miles Davis' trajectory though, late 40's to late 60's, west coast jazz to fusion and everything in between in 20 years. And Miles Davis was at the forefront of all of it.
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Postby themajormiller on Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:51 pm

Coltrane over Miles. No contest.

I can't even believe this is open for discussion...
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Postby tmidgett on Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:38 pm

i love miles davis

but john coltrane was the master. untouchable an awful lot of the time. he made a few records that weren't that great, but not many.

i think you can go either way as a matter of preference and not really have to argue about it. coltrane might never have made _you're under arrest_, but he never made _agharta_ either. he lived at the wrong time to make music like that, in either case.

coltrane vs. ornette coleman is an interesting choice. i think i still take coltrane, but it's interesting.
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Postby Buster on Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:49 pm

J. Coltrane > Miles Davis
Coltrane's music is the peak. The peak of all. The cosmic disipline displayed on ; OM, SUN SHIP, VV AGAIN, ..... soaring and FUCKING FLYING. The quartet was so tight. The musicians he worked w/ after
the original breakup were just as impressive. Alice, Rashied, Pharoah,
... All flying with pure energy. I believe Coltrane was a visionary. Miles was good, but J. Coltrane was the best. Y=allw.
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Postby run joe, run on Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:47 pm

Coltrane.

Ole Coltrane is one of my favourite pieces of music. The stuff that guy does building to the end of that piece is beyond human.
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Postby glynnisjohns on Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:31 pm

Miles Davis- On the Corner.

John Coltrane- The Africa brass sessions.


I love these 2 records so much. I can't choose , the best course of action is to go and listen to both of these albums. Have fun splittin' hairs!
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Postby Angriest_Dragon on Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:06 pm

glynnisjohns wrote:Miles Davis- On the Corner.


In my opinion, this is the only Miles record anyone needs.
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Postby wiggins on Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:01 pm

Buster wrote:J. Coltrane > Miles Davis
Coltrane's music is the peak. The peak of all. The cosmic disipline displayed on ; OM, SUN SHIP, VV AGAIN, ..... soaring and FUCKING FLYING. The quartet was so tight. The musicians he worked w/ after
the original breakup were just as impressive. Alice, Rashied, Pharoah,
... All flying with pure energy. I believe Coltrane was a visionary. Miles was good, but J. Coltrane was the best. Y=allw.


I'm going to have to go with Coltrane for a lot of these same reasons. I got real chills listening to Ascension and Om while reading about all of his Hindu beliefs the other day. It really is a matter of preference, though, I'm sure a lot of people get the same strong feeling while listening to Miles.

Kind of Blue: A windy, NYC loft apartment on a fall afternoon, windows open. Turtleneck sweaters, a good pack of smokes, and black coffee.

Interstellar Space: Interstellar Space.

Thats a rash comparison in that the albums were spread apart by a good many years, I know, but its sortof analogous to the way I feel about Miles and Coltrane.
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Postby Tree on Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:29 pm

Miles is better for getting that special..."mood", but Coltrane made the most positive music I've ever heard. The intro to A Love Supreme is literally the sound of the sun rising to me.

Plus, I'm more of a saxophone guy.

Coltrane served up in an extra-large waffle cone.

P.S.-West coast jazz was not shit. Stan Getz and Art Pepper were not shit.
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Postby glynnisjohns on Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:38 pm

Bruce wrote:Miles is better for getting that special..."mood", but Coltrane made the most positive music I've ever heard. The intro to A Love Supreme is literally the sound of the sun rising to me.

Plus, I'm more of a saxophone guy.

Coltrane served up in an extra-large waffle cone.

P.S.-West coast jazz was not shit. Stan Getz and Art Pepper were not shit.

neither was charlie haden. 'cmon!
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Postby Maurice on Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:28 pm

As much as I love some of Miles's work (60s and 70s), I have to throw in with trane on this, particularly on the strength of Live at the Village Vanguard, Live at Birdland, and his work with Monk. In all honesty, a lot of the later (post-classic-quartet) work hasn't opened to me yet in the right way, but I expect picking up Live in Seattle and Interstellar Space will correct that.

Anyway, just over a year ago I picked up Lewis Porter's John Coltrane: His Life and Music, and Porter does a lot of work to explain what Trane was doing musically at many key points. Worth picking up, if this kind of thing interests you.
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