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Itchy McGoo wrote:I would like to be a "shoop-shoop" girl in whatever band Alex Maiolo is in.

bishopdante wrote:the commercial media more beholden to industrial sponsors than at any other point in history.


alex maiolo wrote:Find the intersection of "so cheap it doesn't matter" and "could actually stack up on the back end" and go from there.
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scntfc wrote:alex maiolo wrote:Find the intersection of "so cheap it doesn't matter" and "could actually stack up on the back end" and go from there.
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yes! but i'd add one more factor: make it easy. really, really easy. if you are connected to the internet via computer, phone, xbox, tv, car, etc. there should be a metaphorical "buy me" button within reach whenever you hear a song. how about voice control? how about we just get to say "buy this" out loud and it charges you ten cents and shows up in the "you just bought this awesome shit from the internet" folder on your cloud drive.
shazam is pretty close. hear a song, analyze it, and it gives you a link to itunes. which is fine but, i'd bet they lose 100+ sales when people see the itunes logo and their mind flashes "$1". but a dime? maybe even 20 cents? easy money.
Itchy McGoo wrote:I would like to be a "shoop-shoop" girl in whatever band Alex Maiolo is in.

scntfc wrote:20 cents?

bishopdante wrote:scntfc wrote:20 cents?
Per track? That's more than EMI paid the beatles. One would have to take 50 years of inflation into account though. I just bought 2 chicken breasts for £7 in Tesco. A fact I find ridiculous.
Itchy McGoo wrote:I would like to be a "shoop-shoop" girl in whatever band Alex Maiolo is in.


John W. wrote:I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by Axl and Slash.

tallchris wrote:NPR intern Emily White writes "I Never Owned Any Music To Begin With".
David Lowery responds.

AnthonyCinder wrote:tallchris wrote:NPR intern Emily White writes "I Never Owned Any Music To Begin With".
David Lowery responds.
You greedy bastards killed Vic Chestnutt!
“It’s OK not to pay for music because record companies rip off artists and do not pay artists anything.” In the vast majority of cases, this is not true. There have been some highly publicized abuses by record labels. But most record contracts specify royalties and advances to artists. Advances are important to understand–a prepayment of unearned royalties. Not a debt, more like a bet. The artist only has to “repay” (or “recoup”) the advance from record sales. If there are no or insufficient record sales, the advance is written off by the record company. So it’s false to say that record companies don’t pay artists. Most of the time they not only pay artists, but they make bets on artists. And it should go without saying that the bets will get smaller and fewer the more unrecouped advances are paid by labels.





AnthonyCinder wrote:tallchris wrote:NPR intern Emily White writes "I Never Owned Any Music To Begin With".
David Lowery responds.
You greedy bastards killed Vic Chestnutt!

steve wrote:AnthonyCinder wrote:tallchris wrote:NPR intern Emily White writes "I Never Owned Any Music To Begin With".
David Lowery responds.
You greedy bastards killed Vic Chestnutt!
The two examples Lowery uses, Chestnutt and Sparklehorse, are prime examples of bands induced into living above their means and ending up in sharecropper status. Sure they had a money tit for a while, but when it becomes obvious to the money people your band's sales can't pay for quarter-million dollar recording budgets, then those budgets go away along with the other slush money those bands get to take advantage of.
It's not the fault of the audience that they were in a game rigged to induce wild, unsustainable expectations.

steve wrote:AnthonyCinder wrote:tallchris wrote:NPR intern Emily White writes "I Never Owned Any Music To Begin With".
David Lowery responds.
You greedy bastards killed Vic Chestnutt!
The two examples Lowery uses, Chestnutt and Sparklehorse, are prime examples of bands induced into living above their means and ending up in sharecropper status. Sure they had a money tit for a while, but when it becomes obvious to the money people your band's sales can't pay for quarter-million dollar recording budgets, then those budgets go away along with the other slush money those bands get to take advantage of.
It's not the fault of the audience that they were in a game rigged to induce wild, unsustainable expectations.

On FB, responding to my friend Josh, I wrote:The thing that always gets lost in these conversations is that the new way of doing things is the new way of doing things, however, regardless of what we *want*, and it's incredibly difficult to fight. SOPA clearly isn't the way to do it. Most of the ways musicians get paid are based on ancient models. The term "mechanical royalty" has it's roots in something literally mechanical - it's from back when publishers were scared *player pianos* were going to sink the music industry. I blame the music industry for not treating with care the goose that laid the golden egg. Neither here nor there, at this point, because the genie is out of the bottle, and people are going to seek out "free" music now - it's just how it is. You can't sue them into going back to the old way, and morality means so many different things to so many different people that it's a complicated discussion. It's hard to go backwards at this point and I fear all we can do is adapt. As with most paradigm shifts, the old guard will find it hard to do that, there will be an ugly shakedown period (which we are in right now) and it will eventually get figured out. I don't know what that will be or I'd right a book. It's even possible that musicians will go back to being like all other artists - broke as a joke, only doing it for love and more localized. Rock is one of the only art forms ever to be successfully monetized and maybe we're just at the end of that period, though I hope not. I'm optimistic because there are still so many ways to do that. The same technology that can kill you - in this case copying music quickly and sharing it - might save you (more people can hear you and you can distribute your own music, no gatekeeper needed). I doubt anyone will ever get Fleetwood Mac rich again, but hopefully more people will find a way to participate. Hopefully the cream will rise to the top, even though shit floats too.
Itchy McGoo wrote:I would like to be a "shoop-shoop" girl in whatever band Alex Maiolo is in.

Luzwei wrote:I used my first SHAN'T in a sentence today, courtesy of this article!
Itchy McGoo wrote:I would like to be a "shoop-shoop" girl in whatever band Alex Maiolo is in.

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