WSOP 2012 Sweat Thread

[seanurban]

nice hand. i would've never thought of that on my own and now i'm going to use it every time.

[chairman_hall]

Thanks guys, thanks Steve.

Last night I got dealt trip aces, I raise. Three callers. Fourth street comes another ace. I check! It goes check check. Fifth street, some fool raises me. I re-raise, one fold. Villian calls. More betting and raising. Donk turns over trip queens. I take the money. So sick.

[steve]

Thanks guys, thanks Steve.

Last night I got dealt trip aces, I raise. Three callers. Fourth street comes another ace. I check! It goes check check. Fifth street, some fool raises me. I re-raise, one fold. Villian calls. More betting and raising. Donk turns over trip queens. I take the money. So sick.

Checking open Aces is a fish move. Just bet. Small stakes players are basically incapable of making big folds and tend to overplay made hands, so when you have the best hand you make more by betting than being tricky. If your man is dumb enough to continue when looking at two Aces you'll make more money with a line that includes bet/three-bet than check/raise, and you don't risk letting it check through for no value.

Unless you're playing against experts you'll make the most money by playing your hands for value most of the time. You only need to do something clever to exploit a known weakness.

[japmn]

My Fantasy Pool is full of all of the girls from Twin Peaks and Paul Newman (Hustler era) and instead of water the pool is filled with Cold Beers. The Zombies are playing on the deck and Buzz Aldrin is expected to parachute in at any moment with a pile of Saturn Stones and oatmeal cream pies. Makes about as much sense as anything else in this thread. I have no idea what a WSOP 2012 Sweat is, but it sounds delicious.

[sleepkid]

Obviously you're not a golfer...

[steve]

Absolutely insane hand in 50k mixed event. While the original ruling that the Turn and River need to be re-dealt is ridiculous, I can think of four completely different contradictory rulings that could be made.

1) The ruling as made, that action was accepted as all-in.
2) Mosseri prematurely revealed his hand with action pending and his hand is dead.
3) Mosseri wins the call because he called before tabling his hand, but can't initiate action so he doesn't win anything more from Yakovenko.
4) Action to Yakovenko on the Turn card as dealt after Mosseri's call, after which a new River card would be dealt.

[seanurban]

I would like to know why NY exposed his hand if he wants to claim he wasn't all-in. My sympathy is swayed toward NY because Abe did the Hollywood BS and announced his hand and basically created unnecessary drama. It's quite possible they both were angling. Happy for Shaun, but the ruling puzzles me.

[steve]

I would like to know why NY exposed his hand if he wants to claim he wasn't all-in. My sympathy is swayed toward NY because Abe did the Hollywood BS and announced his hand and basically created unnecessary drama. It's quite possible they both were angling. Happy for Shaun, but the ruling puzzles me.

Yakovenko tabling his hand is what makes the "accepted action" ruling sound. If Yakovenko kept his hand closed, then he would have had an option on the turn card, as it could not be presumed that he understood the action to be all-in. Deeb said Yakovenko reiterated that his bet was a re-pot, and that his chips were only in the middle so the dealer could count his stack. If Yakovenko didn't table his hand then there would be no issue. Since that's what created ambiguity, Yakovenko shouldn't be allowed to escape because he did something improper.

But I can see a case for freezing the action pre-flop with all cards tabled like that as equally defensible. Rules for rare events like exposed cards vary a lot and seldom make sense. Sometimes they create exploitable holes in the rules.

I had a situation come up at the Vic in London, a real brutal hand. As I recall, I had and opened, got called by the button. The flop was and I bet, he stacks up all his red and green chips into a tall "move in" pile and pushes them in, about 500 pounds. I call of course, covering by about 400.

The turn card comes out and I think it's only fair to show the man what he's against, so I flip over the nuts (I know not the nuts but basically the nuts). The dealer says "money behind," and calls the floor. Apparently the guy had a couple of black (100) chips behind his cards that I didn't see, and the rule there is that if I expose my hand with action pending (after making a bet or being faced with a bet) my hand is dead, but without action it just means that I can't bet any more. The river card comes and the little dude turns over something and the for a one-card straight flush.

Because of the rule, dude couldn't even get his last couple hundred paid off, and the rule creates a situation where I could angle-shoot by exposing my hand -- say bottom two on a straight-flush board -- and never have to make a tough decision late in a hand.

[seanurban]

That rule is dumb for the reason you stated but also because in that case you were heads up. Lucky you.
I wonder if he knew the rule or was hiding his big chips on purpose, another common angle.

[Sly Bug]

My friend Jérémy finished 2nd of Event #46.

Here wearing a jersey familiar to those who read the Football thread.

[Rimbaud III]

Jeebus, Sly, that is one hell of a payout. Congrats to your mate!

[Ruy Lopez]

Did you guys see that shit where the dude folded quads in the One Drop donkament because he put his opponent on a straight flush? What the fuck.

"I put you on a straight flush; I fold," are words I'll never utter nor hear. The site I saw it on even tried making his logic sound legit. (can't remember where I saw it)

[steve]

I saw it. I've correctly put fmajcinek on a straight flush and folded a King-high flush before, and I don't think it's as unfathomable as it sounds. If you play with someone a lot you can know some things that aren't apparent to an outsider. Still, I'm not folding quads in a donkament, regardless. If my opponent looks elated, he would be just as stoked with top full.

[John Houlihan]

My friend Jérémy finished 2nd of Event #46.

Here wearing a jersey familiar to those who read the Football thread.

Is this the andyk limit spectacular?

You can't fold quads in hold 'em. Maybe Omaha.

[Devin D. Dixon]

I saw it. I've correctly put fmajcinek on a straight flush and folded a King-high flush before, and I don't think it's as unfathomable as it sounds. If you play with someone a lot you can know some things that aren't apparent to an outsider. Still, I'm not folding quads in a donkament, regardless. If my opponent looks elated, he would be just as stoked with top full.

I've never felt quite so capable of murder.

[Ruy Lopez]

There is still a local guy among the 97 in the Main Event, Jordan Batt. He's probably more my employer than friend, but these last few days I have been glued to the updates and telephone. Incredible.

It makes me wonder if I would really have the patience to make it so deep in a tournament like this. I think the term "grind" is apt - day after day, 10 or so hours each, hovering at 14 BBs forever and not getting reckless... Maybe attention and tenacity heighten in such a crazy environment. Of course there is the aspect of luck that brings one fortune to go so far, but I have to hand it to the remaining players for not screwing things up enough that they're now sitting at home.

[steve]

There is still a local guy among the 97 in the Main Event, Jordan Batt. He's probably more my employer than friend, but these last few days I have been glued to the updates and telephone. Incredible.

It makes me wonder if I would really have the patience to make it so deep in a tournament like this. I think the term "grind" is apt - day after day, 10 or so hours each, hovering at 14 BBs forever and not getting reckless... Maybe attention and tenacity heighten in such a crazy environment. Of course there is the aspect of luck that brings one fortune to go so far, but I have to hand it to the remaining players for not screwing things up enough that they're now sitting at home.

During the Series it is pretty common for tournament players to jump directly into a tournament the moment they bust out of a prior one, so the pace and the schedule are essentially the same as one long tournament. The multiple day one/day two schedule actually makes the Main Event a little less grueling in the beginning, but by day six the endurance of concentration is probably the critical ability that separates winners from losers.

Good luck to your man. I'm only sweating a couple of people at the moment, Shaun Deeb, Stinger and Vanessa Selbst.

[seanurban]

Good luck to your man. I'm only sweating a couple of people at the moment, Shaun Deeb, Stinger and Vanessa Selbst.

i think they're all out. i'd like to see paul volpe on espn. i played several hours w/ him in la and vegas. he's super sociable and cool for someone who made a million online (and can't withdraw any of it). he takes the game seriously though and will crush you if you think he's just playing around.
i didn't get my shit together in time. didn't even play this year.

[chairman_hall]

Sucks that there is no live streaming of the main event.

[chairman_hall]

Four episodes of the main event are now available in the usual places online for anyone interested.