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Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby chairman_hall on Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:27 pm

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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby seanurban on Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:31 pm

Nice try. Big Dave ain't coming back.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby Mason on Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:53 pm

Noted Logic Genious:

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You're gullible beyond any pity if you give him a microgram of credit for anything.

I hate having to know about this guy.

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edited for clarity because I have brain damage
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby kokorodoko on Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:16 pm

Ugh. Was thinking of starting this thread myself but was like "Do I really want others to know about this?"

Supremely talented obscurantist. Counter-revolutionary. A hero of the most detestable of folks.

I expect to see many former atheists fall like logs to this. Yup, he's pretty much every despair I have with the present state of things, staring me in the face.

The nicest thing I can say about him ís that he is so intelligent he could convince himself of anything.

But on second thought...



Go fuck yourself, Jordan.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby seanurban on Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:19 pm

What's up with that image? "They" is not one of the pronouns he's protesting.certainly not plural they.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby Madman Munt on Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:42 pm

Man, that Cathy Newman interview is something else. Excruciating. I can't bring myself to watch it again. It'll go down in history. I'd have liked to see what an intelligent interviewer like Emily Maitlis could have made of it.

I give JP a NC. For the simple reason that I reckon he could be a massive moderating influence on the alt-right (and the greater right), that is if they ever start to listen to what he says. I could happily live in a world where everyone on the right fully took on board his spiels.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby Riff Magnum on Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:43 pm

seanurban wrote:What's up with that image? "They" is not one of the pronouns he's protesting.certainly not plural they.



Seems what he's really protesting is government mandated speech. Not sure how that's bad, unless you think identity politics is more important than free motherfucking speech.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby chairman_hall on Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:56 pm

You can make the argument about identity politics in the way he does and I can understand it not that I agree with it. Free speech is over-rated, it really is. You shouldn't be in good conscience to hide behind the idea of free speech if you are spreading hate. That does not make me a Stalinist or a Nazi.

That's my whole problem with his argument, he conflates he whole of "the left" or "social justice warriors" to Stalinist Marxism and makes little attempt to offer any rational explanation for doing so.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby chairman_hall on Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:02 pm

Before that gets jumped on. I don't agree with government mandated speech either, and I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is you're a prick if you make someone else feel bad by what you are saying and you should take it upon yourself to not exercise your freedom of speech in that instance.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby Mason on Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:21 pm

He used "they" in reference to "another person," singular, repeatedly. Like we all do, without thinking. "One of my clients was so rude to me today." Really, what did they say? Etc.

Not the worst of his offenses, just something I thought was cute and illustrative.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby seanurban on Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:24 pm

chairman_hall wrote: you're a prick if you make someone else feel bad by what you are saying and you should take it upon yourself to not exercise your freedom of speech in that instance.

Depends on your intention, right?
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby seanurban on Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:26 pm

Mason wrote:He used "they" in reference to "another person," singular, repeatedly. Like we all do, without thinking. "One of my clients was so rude to me today." Really, what did they say? Etc.

Not the worst of his offenses, just something I thought was cute and illustrative.

Ah I see now. I've noticed that for someone who claims to be very careful with words, he is apt to use the singular they. He is human after all.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby Riff Magnum on Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:27 pm

I don't get the feeling he's spreading hate or hiding behind free speech and i've listened to most of his youtube stuff, even the biblical shit. Some weird shit going on at colleges over here. Is it a precursor to some totalitarian regime? Probably not, but it scares me when i see someone like Ayaan Hirsi Ali being called a sexist and a racist by people who should know better. Or people like Richard Dawkins being disinvited to speak at colleges. The fuck is going on.
Seems like the far left and far right are having a simultaneous identity crisis. Some serious blind spots in everyones precious ideology.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby Madman Munt on Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:35 pm

seanurban wrote: the singular they.


I thought this was normal usage.

They is also sometimes used instead of the pronouns he or she to refer to an individual person whose sex is not known or mentioned.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby chairman_hall on Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:45 pm

It’s the conflation. Canada has not criminalised speech patterns. They have extended discriminatory legislation. These are civil institutional matters not individual. You won’t get locked up for not using transgender pronouns, if you are an institution you might get sued. Peterson is using the issue to rail against his neo-Marxist goose stepping straw man.

If someone wants to be called A because calling them B makes them feel bad. Call them fucking A. Don’t conflate it into a free speech issue. Carrying on calling them B makes you a prick.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby seanurban on Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:56 pm

chairman_hall wrote: Peterson is using the issue to rail against his neo-Marxist goose stepping straw man.

I've noticed that about him. I think he's overstating it too.
But you can't legislate respect. I believe he's right there.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby blackmarket on Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:35 pm

Riff Magnum wrote:Seems what he's really protesting is government mandated speech.


Is that actually a thing or are you guys making stuff up?
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby Anthony Flack on Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:11 pm

Gender-neutral singular 'they' is great. People use it and it works. Plugs a gap in the language, smoothly and without resorting to synthetic moon words.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby ooop on Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:03 am

Every intelligent person knows that postmodernism is the same thing Marxism, except according to literally every single Marxist I have ever known, who have all been fighting against postmodernist garbage for like 40 years now. So clearly, this guy knows what he is talking about.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby Adam Sr on Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:42 am

Not according to the classic 'Postmodernism, or, the Cultural Logic of Incipient Marxism.'
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