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Postby admin on Sun Feb 16, 2003 2:51 pm

I was just wondering what everyones favorite drum microphones are.
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Postby russ on Sun Feb 16, 2003 2:53 pm

The 606 and 609's are great on toms.
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Postby MethylBenzoate on Sun Jun 01, 2003 3:56 pm

I'm quite fond of Sennheiser 421's, as they can achieve excellent results on any drum in the kit. Experiment with them on the snare.
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Postby dan on Sun Jun 01, 2003 5:05 pm

i really like the eathworks TC40K's, they sound good on almost any drum and they work well as room mics
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Postby cal on Tue Jun 03, 2003 3:25 am

What about overhead configurations? This is one area that I'm always changing around. Not only mics, but where they're placed as well. What gets used alot for this at Electrical?
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Postby greg on Wed Jun 04, 2003 4:39 am

It depends on a lot of things. For me, the character of the cymbals and room are the big factors. If I'm in the live room of studio b I'll want a focused cardioid spaced pair to minimize pickup of the rooms reflections. The mic's would be hovering over any two clusters of cymbals. I'll then use dedicated room mic's for ambient conrol. The Schoeps 221's, Lomo 19-18's, and AT 4051's work well in this setup for a bright, clear, and direct overhead option. If the cymbals are almost to bright, Coles 4038's, Beyer 160's, and Neumann/Geffel CMV 582's (cardioid capsules) tend to tame it down. If I'm in the a dead room, I'll use either one of my favorite mic'ing techniques; M-S, or Blumlein. They would be above the drummer's head (looking down), or in front of the drums just above the top of any rack toms, about 2'-3' away. My mics of choice here are the AKG C-24, or SM-2. We have the stereo Royer mic wich Steve uses like this but I find it too dull. Any chance I get, I'll use M-S. It can sound so perfect to me.

How are you dealing with the extremely high output of the TC40k mics when using it for drums? We have phantom power patch points on the patchbay so we can feed it to a line level unit.

I like the 421 as a batter side, and inside kick drum mic.
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Postby MTAR on Wed Jun 04, 2003 10:39 am

Hey Greg,
what mics do use for your M-S pair? I have been experimenting with M-S quite a bit lately. Rather than using the typical cardiod mid and fig8 side, Ive been using an omni for my mid mic, and have also experimented with hypercardiod as my mid-mic. For an ambient stereo pair I placed a TC-30K on the floor in front of the kit as my mid mic, with an old russian tube mic (Oktava MK-13) resting above it as my side mic. The result was a nice dark sound that did not interfere with my overheads.

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Postby russ on Wed Jun 04, 2003 11:29 am

First, I just want to make a little note and apologize for starting this topic off by replying to myself. I was just setting up the forums and needed to test it. It was a lonely world back then.

Second, I just want to mention that on my last project I used a spaced pair of STC/Coles 4038's as overheads, fairly close (12-18") to the cymbals and was really happy with the sound. Especially when there was a lot of cymbal bashing going on.
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Postby lunar on Mon Jun 16, 2003 3:21 am

I find 451's good enough for all overhead situations...I do experiment with their positions, but I use them almost all the time...Sometimes I replace third 451 on hi hats with plain c-1000. I have no other reason but to achive great separation, when I need it.
I tend to use Rode NTV as a mono room mike, or I'll put PZM mike from AT also to be used as single mike=mono.
I like mono sound of drums, when most of it is really mono...it sounds more realistic to me...I get confused when tom rolls hit from far left to far right, it sounds to me as two things: a car passing by and limping horse running around...It was very popular in glam-rock recordings, I know!
441 I use for toms, and somehow I prefer them to 421 which are equally good.
For bass drum I would like to own EV PL20, but for now I use all kind of mics that I can get hold to...from PZM's to beyer m88,d112, even d12 for rare opportunities.Sometimes I combine those with small condenser AT used normally for TV applications (to sit on some assholes tie).
It usually brings some "freh air" to the sound of bass drum.
Ofcourse, you need to find good pre's for those aswell.
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Postby brianbiv on Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:50 pm

I like the Beyer M88 on Kick, but that can sound too bouncy if placed inside, the 421 is also charming but the D112 is predictable. On a snare I really like the 441 or the M201. On Toms, AKG's 451 or 391 are great especially if the drummer is using coated skins. I dig the Blumlein configuration for micing the room using a matched pair of 414's.
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Postby AnalogElectric on Tue Sep 02, 2003 4:11 pm

I rotate quite a bit but there are a few standard mics that I like to use.

CMV563's (omni) in the corner of the drum room, behind the drummer. I was told Mr. Albini used CMV's in the corners of the main performance area at Pachyderm for the 'Inutero' album.

Binaural Head w/pencil point Audio Technica's embedded in the ear canals, (mostly a substitute to the KM184's). They push between 4K-8KHz and 20 to 80Hz. They get good top and bottom without being muddy. Mixes in well when slightly compressed in the mix. Really brings out the bottom from the kick and the sheen from the cymbals.

KM184's for overheads/room -- I generally don't place them in any specific way it's dependant on where they go to get the grizzle out of the cymbals that the CMV's don't.

Blueberry on the snare (side of shell) -- picks up some hi-hat and kick but it gets a good brightness out of the snare mixed in with the overheads/room. And it helps the kick have a little extra punch.

ATM23HE's for the high toms. I still have yet to hear something better than these mics on toms, airy yet punchy. The Sennheiser 609 is a close second to the ATM23He's.

ATM63HE or SM7 for the floor tom. Pretty much anything I've thrown on the floor tome sounds good, if the Floor Tom is tuned correctly of course. Sometimes I'll use the e609 if a ride cymbal is really close by.

For the kick it's a crapshoot. Here's what I'll try in order; D112, SM7, SM58, Blueberry, U87, SM90, or my Binaural Head. Then it's up in the air if I don't like those or it's back to re-tuning the kick drum.

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Postby james stringfellow on Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:38 pm

I like a matched pair of 414 TLII's setup as MS in front of the kit, 421's on the toms, RE20 on floortom and kick front, D112 inside or 57, funkwerk liepzig cm7156 on ride (it sizzles) an old BPM cr73 II on snare, along with a 57 and undersnare (a crappy soundelux) A neuman M147 in front of the kick and an AKG pencil C360 (i think) over the hi hat bell.
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Postby bellulah on Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:02 am

man, somebody here is gonna think i'm crazy...

but... and this is mainly for the '"i'ze on a budget" folks in the house... i usually do the dave fridmann two mic method, and occassionally i have been known to also individually mic the snare. well both for the overhead in the two mic situation and as an individual snare mic i have really loved the sound of an oktava mk-319. i shit you not.

it is almost like the mic in those situations takes on a beefy quality. especially as the overhead mic. everything just sounds kinda darker and provides an illusion of warmth. then in the mixdown a little compression can bring out the ring of the snare (if you want) or the brightness that has been subdued by said mic.

now the crazy talk may ensue...
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Postby sonixx on Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:31 am

order of preference...

Overheads: e22S or R84

Snare: top-sm57 bottom-mk012

Toms: top- md421 or e22S bottom- e609S or e22S or mk012

Kick: d112 or atm25

HiHat (seldom): akg460 or mk012

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Postby Mayfair on Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:13 am

I have been having great luck with a stereo pair of Beyer M-500's as overheads and also am happy with a Shure SM-7 on the top snare. I am still working out the other mics, though an RE-20 has done well on my kick lately.
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Postby DanH on Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:29 am

pzm's for everything.

u87 in bass drum

lomo for some toms

schoeps for some stuff

altec for things.

lawson for other things

its all subjective.

no 57's no 58's

some sm-7's

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Postby Clyde2.0 on Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:52 am

For Rock...

Kick - Lawson L47fet, 414, D12
Snare - sm57, Beyer201, 414
Toms - 421, 4033, 414
Hat - sm81, 460
OverHeads - Royer 121, C12, U87, km84 or 86
Room - B&K, 414, km84

I just did some surf for my project... Here's what I used..

A Sony C37A Tube Mic in front of the kit as a mono overhead in a lively room.
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