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Re: Band: Melvins

Postby oZZma on Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:38 pm

Honestly you people seem to me a little overreacting about that Buzzo interview.
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Re: Band: Melvins

Postby Andrew. on Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:51 pm

oZZma wrote:Honestly you people seem to me a little overreacting about that Buzzo interview.


It's all FM VaticanShotglass's fault for making the libertarian association between Rush and Melvins. Obviously Buzz is not responsible for the stupid shit he says to journalists about how all government employees are lazy braindead morons and how taxing the rich is for socialist lunatics. These things he says to journalists are the fault of the clickbait journalists who carefully bait and entrap him into expressing hateful, ignorant, dumbass views about society and justice. It's political correctness gone mad.

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Unfortunate libertarian association.
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Re: Band: Melvins

Postby Sprague Dawley on Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:00 pm

Andrew. wrote:In one aesthetic sense, Melvins should be one of my favorite bands. The riffs, the guitar tone, the drumming.
me too. but aside from that one long munty track on Lysol I just never went gonzo for their music and it kind of ticks me off cos I LOVE my doomy sludgey shit
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Re: Band: Melvins

Postby VaticanShotglass on Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:05 pm

Jeez dudes. The Melvins are probably my favorite band. I don't feel bad cracking a joke about them.

I didn't mean to stir shit up. I like Buzz, but the dude seem[ed] [even before he was explicit in interviews] to have bad politics. I've known, worked with, loved many folks who have similarly misguided ideas. I mean he sounds like my old roommate. He was a good dude and my best friend for years. His politics sucked. His love of self-made-man mythology sucked. He once mislabeled some food and I got the worst gut bug from it. I'm not being reductive. [We also aren't friends anymore.]

[That doesn't excuse the bad ideas. I used to challenge my roommate all the time. Buzz might just laugh too loud hear a point. Who knows. He's probably in a vacuum.]

Buzz sure knows the shit out of music, though. I love his musical tastes and he is probably as responsible for me finding more music I love as the old Nirvana interviews that led me to the Melvins. PRF comes close behind in that list.

I'm not sure how to gauge the room right now, but sorry about the shit stir and keep on rocking.

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As for the contrarian thing:
I also used to hate old Melvins interviews where Buzz would almost only talk shit about people. I sorta thought he was trying to be a bad comedian or something. Sometime this century his attitude in interviews shifted to more so praise lots of cool music I'd never heard of. He was always super chill and goofy in person. I figured he had mellowed. Then he started showing up on Fox News with that permanent stench man. Doesn't that AmpRep guy have similar leanings?
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Re: Band: Melvins

Postby RSMurphy on Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:59 pm

VaticanShotglass wrote:Doesn't that AmpRep guy have similar leanings?


Eesh. I've drawn many lines in the sand on my beach of music. Halo of Flies also wasn't that good.
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Re: Band: Melvins

Postby biscuitdough on Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:43 pm

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Re: Band: Melvins

Postby biscuitdough on Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:48 pm

Anyway, I can still enjoy Ozma, Gluey Porch Treatments, Houdini and the scattered songs I like on other albums. And those three records are untouchable.

If Buzz comes out with some racist stuff or anything else that can't be explained (not excused) by him being a near-retirement-age small business owner, that might rob me of my ability to enjoy his music. I guess he's confirmed to be a crappy dude but not to enough of a degree to taint his work.
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Re: Band: Melvins

Postby m3kcomp on Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:20 pm

I think whatever his political views are have been strongly supported by the way he's had to work hard even through the glory days of the industry. It's not a justification but when someone believes these things and then they're SUPPORTED by living that lifestyle, it's hard to fault them for it.

Buzz is a poster child for enjoying someone's art over their opinions. I don't think he's ever said anything vile enough to make me stop listening to records as good as Lysol, Ozma, Bullhead, The Maggot, etc.

People aren't ever perfect. Buzz has been more vocal about this than anyone: listening to what a musician has to say about politics is pretty fucking dumb to begin with.

Tribal life is the pits.

Anyhoo. Albini has said some funny stuff over the years too, eh? He's also someone who'd be the first to tell you what to think of all that. Actively being an asshole, like Nugent, versus being an artist first and someone with opinions second are two very different things.

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I mean, i've personally seen him be disarmingly kind to people countless times. Not just giving of his time, but really welcoming and cool. Even to people that have nothing to say and are being completely annoying. He's also done remarkably cool stuff for other people with no fanfare or public acknowledgement.


In my experience, he's extremely nice and super humble. Surprised to hear you were at his shows and thankful for it. I can count on one hand the amount of "big shot" musicians I've met who've been remotely as human.
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Re: Band: Melvins

Postby tmidgett on Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:27 pm

who cares

if an artist's politics mattered to me that much, i'd be listening to bruce cockburn all the time

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Re: Band: Melvins

Postby m3kcomp on Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:38 pm

tmidgett wrote:who cares

if an artist's politics mattered to me that much, i'd be listening to bruce cockburn all the time

no thanks


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Re: Band: Melvins

Postby four_oclocker_2 on Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:17 pm

You guys, we're getting off topic here.

This band has one good record, and one of the songs is a Flipper cover and the other is an Alice Cooper cover. Otherwise, CRAP.
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Re: Band: Melvins

Postby RSMurphy on Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:59 pm

tmidgett wrote:who cares

if an artist's politics mattered to me that much, i'd be listening to bruce cockburn all the time

no thanks


I feel the same way. Mostly. Mostly about Azaelia Banks. She's problematic but her music isn't. She can drop all the f-bombs and sand n-word bombs she wants; let her stab Russell Crowe, makes no difference to me. She wrote "Jumanji," ffs, which is better than any Melvin's song, frankly.

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Re: Band: Melvins

Postby Dave N. on Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:29 am

I’m not about to trash my Knut Hamsun books, or my copy of Bullhead.
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Re: Band: Melvins

Postby oZZma on Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:30 am

Andrew. wrote:Obviously Buzz is not responsible for the stupid shit he says to journalists about how all government employees are lazy braindead morons

if you had ever queued for a document in an Italian public office you would see it the same way :lol:
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Re: Band: Melvins

Postby oZZma on Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:49 am

Andrew. wrote:expressing hateful, ignorant, dumbass views about society and justice.

Hateful? This is an exhaggeration.
He is egoistically defeding his privilege. Lack of empathy or not giving a fuck about others does not imply being hateful. It's more individualistic.
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Re: Band: Melvins

Postby Get dog costumes on Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:10 am

Fans will always want to discuss this stuff, whether they're going to stay fans. I've heard about Maureen Tucker two dozen times; I don't think any of them gave up the VU. I left a Fear show just a coupla three songs in when Lee Ving was being an unconscionable asshole, politically and otherwise. Neil Peart's post-teen Objectivism is comedy. Roger McGuinn, wtf. I somewhat understand why we like talking about these things. I don't understand anyone saying no one should care when demonstrably people are curious. And I doubt I'd believe anyone here who said they're 100% unaffected by artists' politics.
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Re: Band: Melvins

Postby jbar on Fri Sep 20, 2019 8:38 am

Perhaps we can get back to talking about the band.

Saw em last night. I definitely do not like Steven McDonald's Dr Rockso bullshit, so it was a real treat seeing him play in TWO bands last night.
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Re: Band: Melvins

Postby jeff_fox on Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:05 am

No one's saying stop listening to Melvins. It's just fun to talk about what a dipshit Buzz seems to be.

I'm glad someone brought up Steve. Obviously he said some dumbass provocative shit in his younger years. But he owned up to it, grew out of it, and now every time I hear or read what he has to say in interviews or on this forum it's all about compassion and reason and other things a well adjusted person should aspire to.

Maybe Buzz shouldn't do interviews? If I'd accomplished anything whatsoever in my life that made someone want to interview me I probably wouldn't do it unless I had a specific agenda, because talking about band stuff is stupid and boring 99% of the time, and usually makes people sound self absorbed.
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Re: Band: Melvins

Postby jakethesnake on Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:23 am

RSMurphy wrote:
tmidgett wrote:who cares

if an artist's politics mattered to me that much, i'd be listening to bruce cockburn all the time

no thanks


I feel the same way. Mostly. Mostly about Azaelia Banks. She's problematic but her music isn't. She can drop all the f-bombs and sand n-word bombs she wants; let her stab Russell Crowe, makes no difference to me. She wrote "Jumanji," ffs, which is better than any Melvin's song, frankly.

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Have you heard her recent mixtape "Yung Rapunxel II"? It's pretty deranged and sounds as if she downloaded some 30 minute hardcore techno-set off the internet and just freestyled over the whole mess; I wouldn't call it "good" per se but she seems REALLY proud of it and has even created a whole ambitious dystopian concept surrounding it, a very Azealia thing to do: https://soundcloud.com/azealia-banks

As for Melvins, not crap but mainly on the strength of early releases; I haven't heard anything I like since the first record with Big Business and that was a decade plus ago. Before that, they hadn't really been consistently good since the early 90's.

Asfor Buzz politics:Crap but I'm literally incapable of cancelling artists over their opinions; their actions would be a better reason to do it and even then, there are SO many great artists in history who had done far worse thing than having "problematic" opinions and I don't see myself cancelling them any time soon either.

*If* an artists opinions or behaviour make you feel bad listening to their music, then just stop; music is not supposed to make to you feel bad IMO. I don't think one should judge others for NOT cancelling though; music is an aural medium and your relationship to it is personal, as soon as it has left its creator(s), he/she/they kind of cease to matter to me; it's suddenly between me and the music with the person(s) behind it being kind of irrelevant
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Re: Band: Melvins

Postby Boombats on Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:31 am

Wow I was not expecting to fall in love with FM andteater in this or any thread, but look what happened. Salut


jeff_fox wrote:I'm glad someone brought up Steve. Obviously he said some dumbass provocative shit in his younger years. But he owned up to it, grew out of it, and now every time I hear or read what he has to say in interviews or on this forum it's all about compassion and reason and other things a well adjusted person should aspire to.

Came here to post pretty much this. Steve's insight and humanity have increased over the years, whereas Buzz's (at least as measured in interviews) have either gone down or become more revealed to suck over time.

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Nah, let him show his ass
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