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Either/Or: Sublime or Vanilla Ice

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Postby pwalshj on Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:18 pm

Ace wrote:
Red Square wrote:what, and people enjoyed vanilla ass ironically back then like they do now?

no they did not...worse, they fucking emulated him!

white kids acting black did not exist until this stupid fool...he is singlehandedly to blame for this...

unless you count the beastie boys, but they were tongue in cheek about themselves and had a sense of humor...and were actually good...


No, I think the dumb white boys rapping thing was festering for a while. House of Pain, kid Rock - bad white rappers, rapping throughout the early 90s, "influencing" people.
They even got some underground rock press, which is extremely sad looking back in retrospect.


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Postby Mark Lansing on Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:45 pm

Red Square wrote:white kids acting black did not exist until this stupid fool...he is singlehandedly to blame for this...


The entire history of rock 'n' roll is predicated on white kids trying to act/look/sound black. Where would Elvis Presley or Mick Jagger be without this concept?

For my money, Vanilla Ice is far more offensive than Sublime. Sublime are unremarkably mediocre within their genre (ska-core and its offshoots), while Vanilla Ice incorporates nearly everything that is flawed and false within a genre (hip hop) that has produced some excellent, bracing music.

Also, with Brad Nowell dead, Sublime have little impact on music in the here and now. Vanilla Ice could make a comeback any day now, a prospect that sometimes robs me of my sleep.
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Postby Red Square on Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:14 am

Mark Lansing wrote:
Red Square wrote:white kids acting black did not exist until this stupid fool...he is singlehandedly to blame for this...


The entire history of rock 'n' roll is predicated on white kids trying to act/look/sound black. Where would Elvis Presley or Mick Jagger be without this concept?


absolutely, i was thinking about this sometime today...though i was thinking in terms of the more negative aspects of it...
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Postby emmanuelle cunt on Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:49 am

H-GM wrote:So it has come to the appreciation, or, ironic-appreciation, or, schadenfreude of some poor dick like Vanilla Ice who had no good songs; rather than appreciating Sublime who had at least one good song? You know it's a good pop song...stop hatin'. Let's take a look at the hot-shit mainstream singles of 1996:

1. Macarena (Bayside Boys Mix), Los Del Rio
2. One Sweet Day, Mariah Carey and Boyz II Men
3. Because You Loved Me, Celine Dion
4. Nobody Knows, Tony Rich Project
5. Always Be My Baby, Mariah Carey
6. Give Me One Reason, Tracy Chapman
7. Tha Crossroads, Bone Thugs-N-Harmony
8. I Love You Always Forever, Donna Lewis
9. You're Makin' Me High / Let It Flow, Toni Braxton
10. Twisted, Keith Sweat
11. C'mon N' Ride It (The Train), Quad City Dj's
12. Missing, Everything But The Girl
13. Ironic, Alanis Morissette
14. Exhale (Shoop Shoop), Whitney Houston
15. Follow You Down / Til I Hear It From You, Gin Blossoms
16. Sittin' Up In My Room, Brandy
17. How Do U Want It / California Love, 2Pac
18. It's All Coming Back To Me Now, Celine Dion
19. Change The World, Eric Clapton
20. Hey Lover, LL Cool J
21. Loungin, LL Cool J
22. Insensitive, Jann Arden
23. Be My Lover, La Bouche
24. Name, Goo Goo Dolls
25. Who Will Save Your Soul, Jewel
26. Where Do You Go, No Mercy
27. I Can't Sleep Baby (If I), R. Kelly
28. Counting Blue Cars, Dishwalla
29. You Learn / You Oughta Know, Alanis Morissette
30. One Of Us, Joan Osborne
31. Wonder, Natalie Merchant
32. Not Gon' Cry, Mary J. Blige
33. Gangsta's Paradise, Coolio
34. Only You, 112 Featuring The Notorious B.I.G.
35. Down Low (Nobody Has To Know), R. Kelly
36. You're The One, SWV
37. Sweet Dreams, La Bouche
38. Before You Walk Out Of My Life / Like This And Like That, Monica
39. Breakfast At Tiffany's, Deep Blue Something :shock:
40. 1, 2, 3, 4 (Sumpin' New), Coolio
41. The World I Know, Collective Soul
42. No Diggity, BLACKstreet (Featuring Dr. Dre)
43. Anything, 3t
44. 1979, The Smashing Pumpkins
45. Diggin' On You, TLC
46. Why I Love You So Much / Ain't Nobody, Monica
47. Kissin' You, Total
48. Count On Me, Whitney Houston and Cece Winans
49. Fantasy, Mariah Carey
50. Time, Hootie and The Blowfish
51. You'll See, Madonna
52. Last Night, Az Yet
53. Mouth, Merril Bainbridge
54. The Earth, The Sun, The Rain, Color Me Badd
55. All The Things (Your Man Won't Do), Joe
56. Wonderwall, Oasis
57. Woo-hah!! Got You All In Check / Everything Remains Raw, Busta Rhymes
58. Tell Me, Groove Theory
59. Elevators (Me and You), Outkast
60. Hook, Blues Traveler
61. Doin It, LL Cool J
62. Fastlove, George Michael
63. Touch Me Tease Me, Case Featuring Foxxy Brown
64. Tonite's Tha Night, Kris Kross
65. Children, Robert Miles
66. Theme From Mission: Impossible, Adam Clayton and Larry Mullen
67. Closer To Free, Bodeans
68. Just A Girl, No Doubt
69. If Your Girl Only Knew, Aaliyah
70. Lady, D'angelo
71. Key West Intermezzo (I Saw You First), John Mellencamp
72. Pony, Ginuwine
73. Nobody, Keith Sweat
74. Old Man and Me (When I Get To Heaven), Hootie and The Blowfish
75. If It Makes You Happy, Sheryl Crow
76. As I Lay Me Down, Sophie B. Hawkins
77. Keep On, Keepin' On, Mc Lyte
78. Jealousy, Natalie Merchant
79. I Want To Come Over, Melissa Etheridge
80. Who Do U Love, Deborah Cox
81. Un-Break My Heart, Toni Braxton
82. This Is Your Night, Amber
83. You Remind Me Of Something, R. Kelly
84. Runaway, Janet Jackson
85. Set U Free, Planet Soul
86. Hit Me Off, New Edition
87. No One Else, Total
88. My Boo, Ghost Town Dj's
89. Get Money, Junior M.A.F.I.A.
90. That Girl, Maxi Priest Featuring Shaggy
91. Po Pimp, Do Or Die
92. Until It Sleeps, Metallica
93. Hay, Crucial Conflict
94. Beautiful Life, Ace Of Base
95. Back For Good, Take That
96. I Got Id / Long Road, Pearl Jam
97. Soon As I Get Home, Faith Evans
98. Macarena, Los Del Rio
99. Only Wanna Be With You, Hootie and The Blowfish
100. Don't Cry, Seal

Hell, "Santeria" isn't even on the list! Street-cred, bish! You poor saps keep on laughing while punching Rob Van Winkle in the dick, and I'll enjoy a good pop song whenever I happen to come across it.



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Postby steve on Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:26 pm

Having never heard the band, I just made a point of listening to "Santeria" by this band Sublime, since there seems to be a consensus that this is their lone "good" song.

You people are fucked. That is some extraordinarily lame and shitty music right there.
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Postby r0ck1r0ck2 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:37 pm

but that's not the question.

the question is who's shittier.

now you've gotta go listen to go ninja or whatever floats the boats of the Ice supporters.

this is one of those when did you stop beating your wife questions.

you'll end up getting the shaft either way.
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Postby Mazec on Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:37 pm

steve wrote:Having never heard the band, I just made a point of listening to "Santeria" by this band Sublime, since there seems to be a consensus that this is their lone "good" song.

You people are fucked. That is some extraordinarily lame and shitty music right there.


You are in an enviable position if you've made it this far without having to hear Sublime.
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Postby emmanuelle cunt on Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:41 pm

I haven't even heard of the band Sublime. I thought this is going to be a joke poll about sublime things vs. Vanilla Ice.
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Postby dansoderburg on Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:39 pm

Mark Lansing wrote:
Red Square wrote:Sublime have little impact on music in the here and now.


I don't know, there are many, many terrible bands around (mostly near colleges) that cop the Sublime bullshit style. Not too many Vanilla Ice clones around. I mean, people woke up and realized Vanilla Ice blew but it's been over 10 years since the sublime guy died and people still eat up that white reggae/mellow surfer douchery with a hemp-crafted plastic spoon.
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Postby Bernardo on Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:51 pm

Musically Vanilla Ice may be even worse than Sublime, but the latter is supposed to be a legitimate band, from all I know, which makes their suckitude that much worse. It's a tie.
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Postby Red Square on Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:27 pm

dansoderburg wrote:
Mark Lansing wrote:
Red Square wrote:Sublime have little impact on music in the here and now.


I don't know, there are many, many terrible bands around (mostly near colleges) that cop the Sublime bullshit style. Not too many Vanilla Ice clones around. I mean, people woke up and realized Vanilla Ice blew but it's been over 10 years since the sublime guy died and people still eat up that white reggae/mellow surfer douchery with a hemp-crafted plastic spoon.


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Postby Fil FaukBinefsiji on Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:37 pm

Every time I hear a Vanilla Ice song, it's as a joke. That girl down the hall does a silly dance and we laugh about how cheesy the way-back 90s were. And then we put on better music and have a fun time because that little dance broke the ice.
And it ends there.
I've never listened to multiple vanilla ice songs on the same night.

Nearly every time I hear Sublime, a drunken jackass in Oceanside is trying to start a fight because some dude looked at his girlfriend. And when I go to a bar in southern california, I immediately race to the jukebox to pour car-seat change into not Sublime and Johnny Cash.

I can't escape Sublime. They plague me. Vanilla Ice has never had a negative affect on my well being. It's doubtful I would notice if I never heard Ice, Ice, Baby again in my life. My neighbour, however, serves as my alarm clock by playing Santeria at high sound every morning at 545. I would most certainly be aware of a Sublimeless world. And I would enjoy it.

(God damn, said neighbour is also fond of "A Lapdance is So Much Better When the Stripper is Crying". Playing it now. I'm going to bear mace that motherfucker one of these days)
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Postby Chromodynamic on Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:43 pm

steve wrote:Having never heard the band, I just made a point of listening to "Santeria" by this band Sublime, since there seems to be a consensus that this is their lone "good" song.

You people are fucked. That is some extraordinarily lame and shitty music right there.


Trying to enjoy a beer at a bar, this song comes on, the bar breaks into a desperate sing-a-long, pure fucking agony.
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Postby ironyengine on Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:04 pm

Chromodynamic wrote:Trying to enjoy a beer at a bar, this song comes on, the bar breaks into a desperate sing-a-long, pure fucking agony.


Time for a new bar.
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Postby The MayorofRockNRoll on Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:24 pm

At least the Ice Baby had sense enough to sample one decent hook.

Sublime neither wrote nor appropriated good hooks, and this makes them a bad, bad band.

Not 'bad' like good either. Just bad.
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Postby fancyjamtime on Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:03 pm

ironyengine wrote:
Chromodynamic wrote:Trying to enjoy a beer at a bar, this song comes on, the bar breaks into a desperate sing-a-long, pure fucking agony.


Time for a new bar.


Compare to that shit-cobbler "Closing Time" fucking garbage. Every cap on backward asshole sings along to that crap too.

Even the good bars whose jukeboxes don't contain "Santaria" and "Closing Time" have jukeboxes that mysteriously contain phantom "Santaria" and "Closing Time". I can't understand it. It's there and then it isn't. The fratboys mysteriously appear and disappear also.

Most good jukeboxes won't contain a Schrodinger's Cat "Ice Ice Baby" so I have to go with Semisonic and Sublime as being the larger shitlumps.
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Re: Either/Or: Sublime or Vanilla Ice

Postby biscuitdough on Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:02 pm

Vanilla Ice sampled a catchy hook and went away. He is also a good punchline. People still listen to Sublime.

Is it too late for a parody? What if Vanilla Ice was on Jackass? I think he would rap a little bit like this:

To be extreme I ride my bike down a manhole
Right on the stage take a dump light a candle
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Postby zircona1 on Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:19 pm

same wrote:I think at any given point in time there are one million fratboys covering a Sublime song in public. Fuck you Sublime.


This is pretty much why I'm going with Ice over Sublime. It's one thing to hate a song like 'What I Got' or 'Santeria' - it's another thing to hear someone cover it at open mic nights.

And I kind of enjoy 'Doin' Time' - mostly because of that doorbell sound throughout the song. But everything else I've heard by Sublime is wet trash. I dislike most Reggae anyway.

Vanilla Ice I never felt strongly about when his popularity was at its zenith. But he and his music seem harmless, and he's made for a good punchline.
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Postby RSMurphy on Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:16 am

emmanuelle cunt wrote:
H-GM wrote:So it has come to the appreciation, or, ironic-appreciation, or, schadenfreude of some poor dick like Vanilla Ice who had no good songs; rather than appreciating Sublime who had at least one good song? You know it's a good pop song...stop hatin'. Let's take a look at the hot-shit mainstream singles of 1996:

1. Macarena (Bayside Boys Mix), Los Del Rio
2. One Sweet Day, Mariah Carey and Boyz II Men
3. Because You Loved Me, Celine Dion
4. Nobody Knows, Tony Rich Project
5. Always Be My Baby, Mariah Carey
6. Give Me One Reason, Tracy Chapman
7. Tha Crossroads, Bone Thugs-N-Harmony
8. I Love You Always Forever, Donna Lewis
9. You're Makin' Me High / Let It Flow, Toni Braxton
10. Twisted, Keith Sweat
11. C'mon N' Ride It (The Train), Quad City Dj's
12. Missing, Everything But The Girl
13. Ironic, Alanis Morissette
14. Exhale (Shoop Shoop), Whitney Houston
15. Follow You Down / Til I Hear It From You, Gin Blossoms
16. Sittin' Up In My Room, Brandy
17. How Do U Want It / California Love, 2Pac
18. It's All Coming Back To Me Now, Celine Dion
19. Change The World, Eric Clapton
20. Hey Lover, LL Cool J
21. Loungin, LL Cool J
22. Insensitive, Jann Arden
23. Be My Lover, La Bouche
24. Name, Goo Goo Dolls
25. Who Will Save Your Soul, Jewel
26. Where Do You Go, No Mercy
27. I Can't Sleep Baby (If I), R. Kelly
28. Counting Blue Cars, Dishwalla
29. You Learn / You Oughta Know, Alanis Morissette
30. One Of Us, Joan Osborne
31. Wonder, Natalie Merchant
32. Not Gon' Cry, Mary J. Blige
33. Gangsta's Paradise, Coolio
34. Only You, 112 Featuring The Notorious B.I.G.
35. Down Low (Nobody Has To Know), R. Kelly
36. You're The One, SWV
37. Sweet Dreams, La Bouche
38. Before You Walk Out Of My Life / Like This And Like That, Monica
39. Breakfast At Tiffany's, Deep Blue Something :shock:
40. 1, 2, 3, 4 (Sumpin' New), Coolio
41. The World I Know, Collective Soul
42. No Diggity, BLACKstreet (Featuring Dr. Dre)
43. Anything, 3t
44. 1979, The Smashing Pumpkins
45. Diggin' On You, TLC
46. Why I Love You So Much / Ain't Nobody, Monica
47. Kissin' You, Total
48. Count On Me, Whitney Houston and Cece Winans
49. Fantasy, Mariah Carey
50. Time, Hootie and The Blowfish
51. You'll See, Madonna
52. Last Night, Az Yet
53. Mouth, Merril Bainbridge
54. The Earth, The Sun, The Rain, Color Me Badd
55. All The Things (Your Man Won't Do), Joe
56. Wonderwall, Oasis
57. Woo-hah!! Got You All In Check / Everything Remains Raw, Busta Rhymes
58. Tell Me, Groove Theory
59. Elevators (Me and You), Outkast
60. Hook, Blues Traveler
61. Doin It, LL Cool J
62. Fastlove, George Michael
63. Touch Me Tease Me, Case Featuring Foxxy Brown
64. Tonite's Tha Night, Kris Kross
65. Children, Robert Miles
66. Theme From Mission: Impossible, Adam Clayton and Larry Mullen
67. Closer To Free, Bodeans
68. Just A Girl, No Doubt
69. If Your Girl Only Knew, Aaliyah
70. Lady, D'angelo
71. Key West Intermezzo (I Saw You First), John Mellencamp
72. Pony, Ginuwine
73. Nobody, Keith Sweat
74. Old Man and Me (When I Get To Heaven), Hootie and The Blowfish
75. If It Makes You Happy, Sheryl Crow
76. As I Lay Me Down, Sophie B. Hawkins
77. Keep On, Keepin' On, Mc Lyte
78. Jealousy, Natalie Merchant
79. I Want To Come Over, Melissa Etheridge
80. Who Do U Love, Deborah Cox
81. Un-Break My Heart, Toni Braxton
82. This Is Your Night, Amber
83. You Remind Me Of Something, R. Kelly
84. Runaway, Janet Jackson
85. Set U Free, Planet Soul
86. Hit Me Off, New Edition
87. No One Else, Total
88. My Boo, Ghost Town Dj's
89. Get Money, Junior M.A.F.I.A.
90. That Girl, Maxi Priest Featuring Shaggy
91. Po Pimp, Do Or Die
92. Until It Sleeps, Metallica
93. Hay, Crucial Conflict
94. Beautiful Life, Ace Of Base
95. Back For Good, Take That
96. I Got Id / Long Road, Pearl Jam
97. Soon As I Get Home, Faith Evans
98. Macarena, Los Del Rio
99. Only Wanna Be With You, Hootie and The Blowfish
100. Don't Cry, Seal

Hell, "Santeria" isn't even on the list! Street-cred, bish! You poor saps keep on laughing while punching Rob Van Winkle in the dick, and I'll enjoy a good pop song whenever I happen to come across it.



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I don't understand why did you bold "Breakfast.."?


Beats the fuck outta me! It was probably funnier in my head like most things I post.

"Santeria" gets sadder when you watch the music video.
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Re: Either/Or: Sublime or Vanilla Ice

Postby night_tools on Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:37 am

Thanks to this thread I have been doing some reading about Sublime, a band I had previously only ever encountered on the Mallrats soundtrack ( yeah, that sounds about right)

Sublime wrote a song called 'Date Rape'.

That's when things got out of control
She didn't want to, he had his way
She said, "let's go"
He said, "no way!"
Come on babe it's your lucky day
Shut your mouth, we're gonna do it my way
Come on baby don't be afraid
If it wasn't for date rape I'd never get laid
He finished up and he started the car
He turned around and drove back to the bar
He said "now baby don't be sad, in my opinion you weren't half-bad"
She picked up a rock, threw it at the car, hit him in the head, now he's got a big scar
Come on party people won't you listen to me
Date rape stylee

The next day she went to her drawer, look up her local attorney at law
Went to the phone and filed the police report and then she took the guy's ass to court
Well, the day he stood in front of the judge he screamed, "she lies that little slut!"
The judge knew that he was full of shit and he gave him twenty five years
And now his eyes are filled wit tears

One night in jail it was getting late
He was butt-raped by a large inmate, and he screamed
But the guards paid no attention to his cries
That's when things got out of control

The moral of the date rape story, it does not pay to be drunk and horny
But that's the way it had to be
They locked him up and threw away the key
Well, I can't take pity on men of his kind
Even though he now takes it in the behind

But that's the way it had to be
They locked him up and threw away the key
Well, I can't take pity on men of his kind
Even though he now takes it in the behind
Date rape!
She didn't want to, she didn't want to, she didn't want to, she didn't want to
Take it!


Music doesn't get worse than this. CRAP to the point where Vanilla Ice seems like a lyrical genius.
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