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Re: Band: No Trend

Postby Domagoj on Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:35 pm

Ace wrote:Conceptually, i understand 'more' - but it's outrageously unlistenable. I mean, i know that's the point, but when something sounds that bad why on earth would anyone bother?

Exactly. I was so curious I had to hear More. I liked opening ska attack and then … record went nowhere. It reminded me of a weak Parliament conceptual album. Some things should definitely stay unearthed and forgotten.

OrthodoxEaster wrote:Funny you should ask. This very idea was proposed by Jeff Mentges. MacKaye was a bit bewildered but he at least pondered the idea. Ultimately, he opted to pass.

Too bad. This would be sort of weird win-win situation.
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Re: Band: No Trend

Postby OrthodoxEaster on Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:12 pm

Domagoj wrote:
Ace wrote:Conceptually, i understand 'more' - but it's outrageously unlistenable. I mean, i know that's the point, but when something sounds that bad why on earth would anyone bother?

Exactly. I was so curious I had to hear More. I liked opening ska attack and then … record went nowhere. It reminded me of a weak Parliament conceptual album. Some things should definitely stay unearthed and forgotten.


I actually sort of enjoy More. It took me a while to "get" it. But I almost like it. It's not an instantly lovable record at all. It's painful and hard to figure out. An almost ridiculous conceptual exercise in extremes and excesses. Definitely not a visceral album like Too Many Humans and Nash-Vegas or an emotional one like A Dozen Dead Roses. It's more cerebral yet zanier, too.

Personally, the ska track bothers me. But maybe b/c I'm allergic to ska.

On the other hand, "Last on Right, Second Row" is fucking genius. Sounds like early Butthole Surfers meets Ween (if Ween weren't awful) , but w/a peculiar No Trend touch. And it's a true story. About a very-real triple-feature drive-in porno theater in Prince Georges County, Maryland. Think about that for a sec... Not just a porno theater, but a DRIVE-IN porno theater. Triple-feature, no less. Truckers and swingers would use the place as a pick-up joint. The song title refers to the location of some jockey's cab. The chorus "play w/my inguinal ring" comes from bathroom graffiti or a note or something found at the scene by one of the NT members. Disgusting.

And the "No Hopus Opus" is pretty awe-inspiring, simply b/c it's so unwieldy and excessive and simultaneously horrible and wonderful. Like 18 or 23 minutes, I think? Seriously, the screeching-sax/metal/hardcore section as well as the ambient segment are actually quality music, even if you hate the rest of it. The lyrics, again, reference the drive-in porno place. But there's also a nice narrative about Maryland redneck culture, concerning a slob who dreams of attaining blue-collar nirvana by driving his motorcycle to Florida. "You can't win/B/c there's no reward" and "You can't lose/B/c there's nothing to be gained" are classic, defeatist NT lyrics. Also note the chorus' evolution from "the best things in life are free" to "the worst things in life are me."

"Bel-Pre Declining" is a genuinely lovely instrumental.

"Love Monkey" is so goddamn awful that it's good. To fully appreciate it, you must realize that, if I recall correctly, it was used as soundtrack music in Jeff Mentges movie Of Flesh and Blood. God, what a horrible little number. I enjoy drunkenly dancing around to this song in my boxer shorts and lip-synching it to various houseguests. You should really come over sometime.

I don't much care about the rest of the record at all (although the rhythm section is uniformly fantastic), but the above is like 70% of its contents. No, More is not exactly a "good" album. But I don't think that's what NT were going for at this point. It is, however, so astoundingly weird and uncomfortable that I can't help but respect it.

Shit. If I believed in graduate school, I'd enroll immediately and start writing papers about this nonsense.

What I'm trying to say is: give More a chance. It is NOT a casual listen or a life-changer. But it is definitely a fascinating piece of the NT puzzle that demands close attention rather than an easy dismissal.

That said, I totally understand why some people might not have the patience for it.
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Re: Band: No Trend

Postby Domagoj on Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:27 am

Mea Culpa. I wasn't attentive enough the first time I heard More. Last night before going to sleep I gave it another try. I must have heard it on a wrong day. Actually, I remember the time and place. In a perverse way they recorded this album for my own enjoyment. Funky music, babe! Let's dance through it.

#Intro.
You're such a sweetheart Jeff. Chocolate city is your home.

#Fuzzy Dice.
A real spark on the album. Kick in a flabby butt, with a sharp tip of a cowboy boot. Ouch! Nervous feet. Sweaty palms and underarms. Grab the fuzzy dice and step out! No Trend threw in various 1980 dance clichés in this restless song: ska interspersed with some prominent disco bass playing and brass parts that pull you forward ... towards your goal perhaps!? Even questionable guitar playing can't ruin it for me. You're totally fuzzy with excitement. You're going to make it this time despite the bad day or generally shitty situation. You're going to be a winner, there is a chance, it doesn't matter whether you are addicted to slot machines, or simply an overweight divorcee with erection problem who didn't get laid for ages ... This very promising weekend in front is yours, dear brother or sister. Saturday Night Fever! Love the filthy fuzzy dice rolling over the slippery dance floor.

Personally, the ska track bothers me. But maybe b/c I'm allergic to ska.

I can understand the feeling. I just recall my allergy to metal.

OK, things didn't start to unwind the way you had it in your mental movie and you get instead:

#Sorry I Asked.
Just another sexual faux pas and you are painfully shy person. Oh, such a shameful situation again. This is a pretty song/sight, everyway you look.

#Spank Me w/ Your Love Monkey.
You gave up eventually and accepted what was on offer, what could you do. Vicious Godson of Soul leads you to hell. Get on the good foot! EHH! AHH! Get on the good foot!

To fully appreciate it, you must realize that, if I recall correctly, it was used as soundtrack music in Jeff Mentges movie Of Flesh and Blood.

I can fully appreciate it w/o knowing this fact. Now it's even better. For me, speaking of music, only horrible part is intentionally processed drum sound. Everything else stimulates my ears.

#Last on Right, Second Row.
You know, there must be a seedy area of your town where you can go if you're desperate. This is a place for random dirty autobiographical moment. Think about it. Think.

Truckers and swingers would use the place as a pick-up joint. The song title refers to the location of some jockey's cab. The chorus "play w/my inguinal ring" comes from bathroom graffiti or a note or something found at the scene by one of the NT members. Disgusting.

Excellent.

#Bel-Pre Declining.
Depression is catching your Soul, it's indeed awful what have you just done to yourself. I agree, this is a genuinely lovely little tender instrumental.

#No Hopus Opus.
I can get through opera track only with a brief pause in between. I suspect it was planned for complete side B. I understand the impulse. I am the Who fanboy. This monstrosity is really gross musically, but life is that way too. Bad like late 1980s Pink Floyd with guitar solos at large. 18 minutes long prolapse of reason. Here I could freely think of a thin line between bad and good in a full cycle of things in life.

"You can't win/B/c there's no reward" and "You can't lose/B/c there's nothing to be gained" are classic, defeatist NT lyrics. Also note the chorus' evolution from "the best things in life are free" to "the worst things in life are me."


… and not to forget "things really are that bad, no matter how you look at them".

(the rhythm section is uniformly fantastic)

It is. It is.

In the end, More is pure ghastly No Trend. Strange, T&G didn't want to issue this record although around that time they managed to put out fuckin' awful Hairway to Steven. Few years earlier they got screwed with overripe Virgin Prunes. When you combine these atrocities, No Trend might seem pretty exciting entertainment. They never issued a perfect album, anyhow.

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Re: Band: No Trend

Postby OrthodoxEaster on Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:08 pm

Domagoj wrote:You're such a sweetheart Jeff. Chocolate city is your home... Kick in a flabby butt, with a sharp tip of a cowboy boot. Ouch! Nervous feet. Sweaty palms and underarms. Grab the fuzzy dice and step out!... it doesn't matter whether you are addicted to slot machines, or simply an overweight divorcee with erection problem who didn't get laid for ages... Just another sexual faux pas and you are painfully shy person. Oh, such a shameful situation again... Vicious Godson of Soul leads you to hell. Get on the good foot! EHH! AHH! Get on the good foot!... You know, there must be a seedy area of your town where you can go if you're desperate. This is a place for random dirty autobiographical moment. Think about it. Think... Depression is catching your Soul, it's indeed awful what have you just done to yourself... This monstrosity is really gross musically, but life is that way too... Here I could freely think of a thin line between bad and good in a full cycle of things in life.


Holy shit, Domsky. You just blew my feeble mind w/this glorious synopsis! For starters, I'm really glad you appreciate the album, even though it's not exactly "good" or "easy." (I kinda thought you might revise your opinion, being the classy guy that you are. I initially hated More for about a week, too.)

The canned drum sound in "Love Monkey" was probably an attempt to mock radio hits by Bobby Brown and Paula Abdul, which were quite popular at the time. They featured a big-budget version of the same shitty '80s "R&B" drum production.

That song also features a pronounced, but totally awful DC go-go influence. Or maybe it's just the worst Contortions song ever imagined, complete w/easy-listening backing vocals?

I agree w/you completely about T&G, the Virgin Prunes, and Hairway... . Maybe Corey only had so much capacity for that kinda nauseating weirdness at the time?

Much more important and significant, though, is this AMAZING bit of writing I've excerpted from you above. It's like Céline plus Bukowski plus J-L Costes or something. I am ASTOUNDED and howling w/laughter. And impressed. If you wrote a short book of nothing but passages like that, I would encourage everyone in the world to buy a copy from you.

I'm pulling out some palinka and saying "budmo" to you, right now, as loud as possible. ("Živjeli," same thing.) AS LOUD AS POSSIBLE! Nice one!
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Re: Band: No Trend

Postby Domagoj on Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:32 am

Oh. You really caught me off guard, Ox.

Thank you for your kind words. I was mostly goofing but I am very glad that my blabbering managed to occupy you for a minute or even make you laugh. Blame it on No Trend. We all agree that More is the weakest album out of notorious four. Somehow it struck a cord with me although that hadn't been clear in the beginning. My Negativ Nein mind recognized its thrills. Not from the point of a rabid fan or a completist geek. That said, I've even ordered a copy to support the release by Morphius Records. I am sure I will listen to this CD in the future. I hope the first album and associated 12" will surface soon.

BUDMO!

(imagine a coffee mug by my left side as a tiny cup of strong brandy or palinka)







Panslavonic corner:

Ukraine, internets told me. Eastern domain. Well, generally speaking it's a tad bit closer linguistically than Russian.

*Budmo! --> Budimo! or Neka budemo! --> literally We will be! Let us be! in our language. [to be]

We, Southern Slavs, would say, as you mentioned: Živjeli! [to live]
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Re: Band: No Trend

Postby OrthodoxEaster on Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:28 pm

Domagoj wrote:I was mostly goofing but I am very glad that my blabbering managed to occupy you for a minute or even make you laugh.


Accidentally profound.

Domagoj wrote:We all agree that More is the weakest album out of notorious four.


Yeah. This album and maybe some of the mellower songs on A Dozen Dead Roses.

Have you heard the three bonus songs on the compilation LP When Death Won't Solve Your Problem? These were done after Dozen Dead but before Nash-Vegas. Like a more musical, ass-kicking update of the early NT sound, particularly "Killing Me" and "Two Seconds till Nonexistence." So good.

Domagoj wrote:I've even ordered a copy to support the release by Morphius Records.


The real CD sounds a little better, of course, than mp3. But the whole album was mastered from a cassette, which is kinda muddy. The original studio tapes were, not surprisingly, erased...

Domagoj wrote:*Budmo! --> Budimo! or Neka budemo! --> literally We will be! Let us be! in our language. [to be]

We, Southern Slavs, would say, as you mentioned: Živjeli! [to live]


Half-Ukrainian, anyway, yes.

These translations make a lot of cultural sense, actually. It would seem that you Croats, with your splendid coastline, eyes to the West, and Dalmatian seafood dishes, want to really LIVE. Whereas Ukrainians, with their endless troubles from Russia, ridiculous corruption, and economic absurdity, well, they're content to just... be. [I'm joking, of course, but only half-joking.]
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Re: Band: No Trend

Postby Domagoj on Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:41 pm

OrthodoxEaster wrote:Yeah. This album and maybe some of the mellower songs on A Dozen Dead Roses.


Dox, you'll never stop being a butcher's grand-grandson. I like this face of No Trend. It challenges and mocks my self-inflicted Anglican melancholia. Fortunately, Balkan roots keep me close to my beloved visceral American ways. No Trend used mellower approach as an equally powerful weapon, to hurt me. aDDR album gave me significant listening pleasure. I cringed sometimes too. Anyway, sex & death instincts of young Mrs Lunch were fantastic. She had a penchant for very special (young) male artists. I am sure you approve of her wicked taste.

Have you heard the three bonus songs on the compilation LP When Death Won't Solve Your Problem? - particularly "Killing Me" and "Two Seconds till Nonexistence." So good.


I was blown away by both tracks, especially opening "Two Seconds till Nonexistence." Good ass kick. So good that I can't explain you w/words. But you know.

Mrs Lunch didn't manage to store and save a copy of master tapes or something through Widowspeak?

But the whole album was mastered from a cassette, which is kinda muddy. The original studio tapes were, not surprisingly, erased...


No Trend fools. Fine with me now that I know there won't be another, more professional, reissue of this weird album.

Early records are overpriced collectors items nowadays. I wonder if there is some No Trend stuff in the basement vinyl vaults of an esteemed professor of mathematics at the University of Zagreb. He is probably the only person in the whole country who could have them.
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Re: Band: No Trend

Postby OrthodoxEaster on Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:17 pm

Domagoj wrote:Dox, you'll never stop being a butcher's grand-grandson. I like this face of No Trend. It challenges and mocks my self-inflicted Anglican melancholia. Fortunately, Balkan roots keep me close to my beloved visceral American ways. No Trend used mellower approach as an equally powerful weapon, to hurt me. aDDR album gave me significant listening pleasure. I cringed sometimes too.


Slavic Soul Brother: Yes, it's true. But I remember being totally shocked to hear Dozen Dead Roses after listening to the first 7", 12", and Too Many Humans LP. I thought, "What the fuck?" Heartbroken ballads with stale sax and screaming. I hated it at first. But then it grew on me. The cringing turned out to be good and, in a weird way, just as painful as the noisy stuff.

Supposedly, NT was listening to a lot of TSOL at this time.

I had a similar reaction comparing More to Nash-Vegas.

Domagoj wrote:Mrs Lunch didn't manage to store and save a copy of master tapes or something through Widowspeak?


It's a very good question. But my one contact in the band doesn't seem to know or care very much... I mean, Jesus, they erased all their master tapes and hurled the remaining copies of their debut album at members of the audience. Not exactly archivists.

Domagoj wrote:Early records are overpriced collectors items nowadays. I wonder if there is some No Trend stuff in the basement vinyl vaults of an esteemed professor of mathematics at the University of Zagreb. He is probably the only person in the whole country who could have them.


You could find this stuff quite cheap, even brand new, up until the mid '90s. But now the prices for these records are ridiculous.

Pretty cool that some math professor in Zagreb might have been listening. Reminds me of learning about the singer from the Hungarian band VHK; I think he's some kind of astrophysics teacher or something.
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Re: Band: No Trend

Postby Bizarro No. 1 on Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:36 am

Hey OrthodoxEaster. I'm a long time No Trend fan from Minneapolis, ever since "Too Many Humans" came out (I've also got everything else they released on vinyl, except for the "Teen Love" 7".)

I saw them play here at the 7th St. Entry in '86(?). There weren't many of us in the audience (less than 30.) They had a strobe light flashing the whole time while Jeff flopped all over the floor. I introduced myself to Jeff and the sax player (Johnny Ontego?) after the show. Johnny(?) was very nice; Jeff was by far the most aloof, though not in a jerky way, person I've ever met.

I wanted to share a few things with you music-wise I figure you'd be interested to hear. I happen to like "More" a lot. I find each track to be good in its own way - not one of them fails to entertain/amuse me. What would be of more interest to you is that I have a demo cassette of "Tritonian Nash-Vegas Polyester Complex" the band sent to Twin Tone Records while looking for a contract (as an aside, I never worked at TT.) I pulled the tape out today for the first time in years, which is what prompted me to make this post. I also happen to have saved all of the promo material that came along with the tape. I'll dig that out sometime soon.

I will mention that the cassette has 14 tracks, 3 more than on the record (the tracks are "Cannons Contintental," "Togetherness," and a different version of "Two Seconds Till Non Existence." If you're interested in a rip of the cassette, let me know.
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Re: Band: No Trend

Postby OrthodoxEaster on Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:57 am

Bizarro No. 1 wrote:Hey OrthodoxEaster... I saw them play here at the 7th St. Entry in '86(?)... What would be of more interest to you is that I have a demo cassette of "Tritonian Nash-Vegas Polyester Complex" the band sent to Twin Tone Records while looking for a contract (as an aside, I never worked at TT.) I pulled the tape out today for the first time in years, which is what prompted me to make this post. I also happen to have saved all of the promo material that came along with the tape... I will mention that the cassette has 14 tracks, 3 more than on the record (the tracks are "Cannons Contintental," "Togetherness," and a different version of "Two Seconds Till Non Existence." If you're interested in a rip of the cassette, let me know.


Bizarro, your generosity and message are much appreciated. Yep, even w/my foggy four-bottle (split among two people, granted) hangover.

I trust the '86 show was good? I've never met Johnny (aka Brian Nelson, brother of Jeff). I wonder if Buck Parr (aka Shrimpman/Fishman) played gtr at that gig you saw? Although if they'd recorded Nash-Vegas already, Leif had probably replaced him.

Would I be interested in the Nash-Vegas demos? Uh, hell yes! I've heard early versions of a few of those tunes played by a slightly different, earlier lineup (the same one on the "new" studio tracks featured on When Death Won't Solve Your Problem). "Angel, Angel Down We Go" was called "Haven Fell Down," a much punkier "Without Me" sans the bells, etc.. Have also heard studio outtakes of the Nash-Vegas/More band doing "Two Seconds," "Cannons Continental," and something provisionally called "Meat Puppet" (is this "Togetherness"?; fast, noisy number that contains the memorable line "I thank God I'm not you"). But on a shitty warped, flanged cassette dub. So what you have is probably of better quality... Would love to have a look at that press material, too. I was a little too young to have been there at the time (NT on my radar in the early '90s).

For some reason, the idea of Twin/Tone even thinking about signing NT really amuses me.

So yeah, send a PM and I'll send you my email address. Thank you.
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Re: Band: No Trend

Postby a leg plaster on Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:43 pm

Although Bizarro's message was not delivered to me, I'd like to express my interest in hearing this as well. Like, very interested. Would love to see some of that promo stuff too.
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Re: Band: No Trend

Postby a leg plaster on Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:02 pm

No Trend wrote:Beat your children in the supermarket aisles
Sidewalk sales and overflowing garbage pails
There's a dead animal on my street
No one cleans it up,
It's been there for weeks
Your purple deoxidized Gremlin
Smells like stale menthol cigarettes
You came with the soiled mattress
In the parking lot dumpster
Fast food drive thru
See the fat lady slip,
On the melting ice cream cone
People just stood around and gawked
Baby drool and "Can't find a parking space" blues
What would we do if things weren't this exciting?


I've come to find "Space Disco" is certainly one of their best songs. Add in the absolutely ridiculous sound and pace of the backing "orchestra" and you've got disgust with human existence nearly at its finest. I don't think I'll ever tire of Tritonian Nash-Vegas Polyester Complex.
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Re: Band: No Trend

Postby OrthodoxEaster on Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:41 pm

Guess what? No Trend seems to have found a suitable label and is in the midst of discussing a reissue project of some sort. I don't think I'm at liberty to talk too much about it but...

This is an open call requesting No Trend-related memorabilia. We're looking for gig posters, live tapes, photos, basically anything significant that might be worthy of inclusion in the campaign. Please PM if you can help and watch this space (although admittedly, we work at a leisurely pace). Thank you.
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Re: Band: No Trend

Postby a leg plaster on Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:36 am

Can I just express how excited I am? I am excited. Holy shit.
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Re: Band: No Trend

Postby Verge of Light on Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:25 am

And I thought I was stuck with MP3s forever. This is such great news.
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Re: Band: No Trend

Postby Bill Swansea on Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:43 am

I really need to hear this band, everyone on here whose taste I trust seems to love them. I think I may wait for reissues and buy them like we used to back in the (g)olden days.

EDIT: According to the first page in this thread I have heard them. My head hurts. What record is Blow Dry on again?
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Re: Band: No Trend

Postby OrthodoxEaster on Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:14 pm

Bill Swansea wrote:What record is Blow Dry on again?


The ass-kicking proper version is on Too Many Humans.

The so-so demo version and the shitty live version (recorded before the band hooked up w/a competent drummer) appear on a posthumous, somewhat unauthorized CD entitled Teen Love: The Early Months.
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Re: Band: No Trend

Postby Bill Swansea on Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:05 pm

Thanks! Need to get me some Too Many Humans.
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Postby LBx on Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:33 pm

bump...


Ace wrote:everyone just regarded them as flipper rip offs

I hear a bit of Saccharine Trust in there too. Or vice versa. Though I prefer, I think, Paganicons to Too Many Humans. (skipping between the two as I type...)
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Re: Band: No Trend

Postby a leg plaster on Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:28 am

Hey, I just smoked a cigar to my current MP3 player's extent full of No Trend. Sure, the least popular aspect of this band comes off of their later albums... But fuck me if they aren't great songs after all. 'Choc-O-Jet' is one of my favorites off of their later albums. Here's to hoping that the reissues come sooner rather than later.

It kills me that I'm one of the few in the world that likes Tritonian Nash-Vegas... as much as I do.
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