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Spiritualized?

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Re: Band: Spiritualized

Postby MtHrtAttack on Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:52 pm

Isabelle Gall wrote:Would be much better if it starred Jason Pierce himself, and he and the band were playing a private show for me in which they played so fucking loud I was killed at the end.


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Re: Band: Spiritualized

Postby AnthonyCinder on Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:18 pm

Meh.
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Re: Band: Spiritualized

Postby MtHrtAttack on Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:18 pm

Stream the new album: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicbl ... bum-stream

I'm a few songs in and I don't really know what to think yet, but it's not really making the same first impression that Songs in A & E did.
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Re: Band: Spiritualized

Postby japmn on Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:43 am

The Live version of Ladies and Gentleman is amazing. Good band that has only one idea. It's a pretty good idea.
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Re: Band: Spiritualized

Postby cerebralheadtrip on Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:02 am

New album seems pretty paint by numbers. Also sounds like it was recorded with a toaster oven...what gives.
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Re: Band: Spiritualized

Postby John W. on Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:27 am

Might sound better at higher quality... the new video - yikes. Here's a screed against it:

http://www.collapseboard.com/reviews/al ... at-possum/

It sure kept my attention - it does seem like a shock for shock's sake in some ways, though.
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Re: Band: Spiritualized

Postby alex maiolo on Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:07 pm

What's wrong with shock for shock's sake?
"Jane's" story may be a fabrication by a "white boy from Rugby" but it reminds us that's it's a cruel world full of fucked up people - more weird and desperate than we care to imagine as we live in our shells.
Steve has been doing this most of his career. We get stories about the porn industry, druggies, dirty politicians, etc from a middle class white guy from Missoula. Is that wrong? Not at all. He's fascinated by it, obviously, and it inspires him to write about it, thus exposing others to his thoughts on the darker elements of society.

The writer of this piece doesn't seem to get out of this what I do:
Who listens to Spiritualized? People who are open-minded/fake/artsy enough to think that repetition and drone is a valid form of music. These record store nerds and art geeks live in a middle class world where life is pretty safe. Pierce has used the release of the new single to remind us that as bad as you think things are when you pass a homeless person or a prisoner on work detail, there is a whole side of life you'll never see, even though it's all around you. It's not city restricted crime and misery. There's corruption in small towns, meth is a country drug and desperation is all around you, though seemingly silent.

Why can't Pierce do a film/video like this? Who do you think shows like The Wire are for?

Last of all, to criticize Pierce for his magpie tendencies in Spiritualized is a bit odd since Spacemen 3 was pretty much the same thing. When did he make an album that *wasn't* blues/gospel through a white Brit's eyes?
Haven't Brits been doing a variation on this pretty much constantly since about 1959? I believe it was Barry Gordie who said, and he meant it positively, that British people are great at giving our own music back to us.

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Re: Band: Spiritualized

Postby John W. on Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:35 pm

I never thought of it that way - or at least had it crystallized in words so well.

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Re: Band: Spiritualized

Postby Dovey on Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:18 pm

Exactly. The author of that Collapse Board review seemed to hinge a decent amount of her argument on the idea that as a white middle-class male that J. Pierce not only has no right to co-opt the music of minority struggle (a concept that I could support in a limited sense) but that he's apparently immune from anything bad happening to him at all? And that all of his songs are shiny happy love-songs and ecstatic, revelatory paeans to drug abuse merely clothed in the musical language of hard times? Was this writer paying attention to the words at all, or for that matter anything Spiritualized has put out, ever? Or like, any biography of J. Pierce? The last two Spiritualized albums have centered largely around J.'s two major sicknesses/near-death experiences (which although I'm not sure he's ever made it explicit, I don't think it's especially daring to link his recent medical problems to his past substance abuses &c.)

Even the assertion that he's thoroughly middle-class is kind of unfair conjecture; Spiritualized or Spaceman 3 have never been especially popular bands by any rubric, I hardly think he'd be living the life of a pampered rock star.

It's kind of amazing how much this writer has managed to read so much subtext into Pierce's music and this video based on her own convenient preconceptions while at the same time totally failing to actually approach the text from any kind of critical standpoint on it's own merits at all. Is it maybe entirely possible that the clip is violent and shocking (in a totally non-cartoonish or exaggerated way, by the way) out of an empathy to trans- people, racial minorities, the addicted and sex workers, who actually have shit like this happen to them for realsies all too often? Is it really so unthinkable to Lucy Chang that a privileged man could have genuine concern for people different to him that the only reasonable explanation for a clip like 'Hey Jane' is that he gets off on seeing a black transexual hooker assaulted?
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Re: Band: Spiritualized

Postby alex maiolo on Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:01 pm

It's not that important, but it's my understanding that Sonic was the (upper) middle class kid, and Jason is from a pretty humble background.

Regardless, great points that it's unfair to say the comfortable classes are not allowed to make social commentary, especially when they seem to have done their research.

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Re: Band: Spiritualized

Postby P.J. Craven on Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:30 pm

Bump
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Re: Band: Spiritualized

Postby alex maiolo on Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:28 pm

P.J. Craven wrote:Bump


I still think he/they rule.

Carry on.

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Re: Band: Spiritualized

Postby Otto Parts on Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:16 am

I really see nothing wrong with someone named J. Pierce co-opting the music of minority struggle. It has made for some of my favorite albums.

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Re: Band: Spiritualized

Postby RSMurphy on Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:41 pm

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Re: Band: Spiritualized

Postby Heaven is in your beard on Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:18 pm

Hmmm. To me this thread is another example of why we need a intermediary option of "Used to be Not Crap ; are now Crap" (or vice versa, although actual examples of that are rare).

Still, voted Not Crap on the strength of the first four albums. "Songs in A&E" sounded merely ok to these ears, whilst "Amazing Grace" and "Sweet Heart / Sweet Light" just bored me rigid.

I saw Jason Pierce in the audience at the Royal Festival Hall when Roky Erickson played. He was wearing shades - indoors - and pretending he didn't want to be recognised whilst actually making himself more recognisable in the process. I thought that was a bit sad, frankly.
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Re: Band: Spiritualized

Postby Sprague Dawley on Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:19 am

NC even though I sold all their records.

Lazer Guided Melodies 5/10. just never really set my dick on fire

Pure Phase 7/10. some nice vegetation music here

Ladies And Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space 9/10. rooting the mellow tracks. the "raucous" ones leave me totally cold. sold my 2xLP copy yonks ago for a metric bumload of cash

Let It Come Down 10/10. also sold as all the tracks reminded me of a woman at work I had a MASSIVE crush on. stupid woman!

Amazing Grace 7/10 has about 3 mellow tracks I like

Songs In A&E. 7/10 yeah fine

Sweet Heart, Sweet Light 8/10 bit of a grower for me
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Re: Band: Spiritualized

Postby llllllllllllllllllllllll on Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:45 pm

So Kid Millions is in Spiritualized now? I listened to one of the tracks off of the collaboration album with him and J. Spaceman and I liked it. I think I prefer Spaceman when he does stuff like that outside of Spiritualized. Spacemen 3 still does it for me.
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Re: Band: Spiritualized

Postby placeholder on Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:45 pm

NOT CRAP.

Saw them at Big Ears this year and they were transcendent.
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Re: Band: Spiritualized

Postby Heaven is in your beard on Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:08 am

placeholder wrote:NOT CRAP.

Saw them at Big Ears this year and they were transcendent.


Indeed - they also played at End of the road and they were much better than the last time I saw them (around ten years ago). I take back what I said upthread about them being pretty much washed up now. Still haven't really listened to "And Then Nothing Hurt", but evidently they can still deliver the goods live when they feel inspired to. Perhaps Kid Millions' presence is part of the reason.
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Re: Band: Spiritualized

Postby zircona1 on Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:55 am

placeholder wrote:NOT CRAP.

Saw them at Big Ears this year and they were transcendent.


I wanted to go to that this year, but I couldn't make it happen. Now I'll never see This is Not This Heat. :(

Me and a friend went to see Spiritualized in Minneapolis a few months ago. We decided to get box seats, but it ended up being on the right side of the stage, where Jason was seated the entire time. So we basically had a clear view of the back of his VU shirt. Musically, however, the show was awesome.

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