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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Wood Goblin on Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:41 pm

Planned Parenthood—about as bourgeois feminist a cause as any that exists—is, in many regions, the only source of reproductive healthcare available to low-income communities. This is precisely why it gets such significant support.

Hell, liberals just won an important victory in ensuring that states can’t withdraw Medicaid funding to PP.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Wood Goblin on Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:03 pm

No, I agree with you. I’m pushing back on a few things.

1. That liberal involvement has been limited to women’s marches and pink pussy hats. This isn’t remotely true.
2. That the writer you quoted evades the question of which people count as “marginal.” I don’t think this is accidental. He just doesn’t want to say that too much valuable meeting time gets devoted to, say, trans issues. Those issues are important to me and can’t just be hand-waved away. More than that, people are capable of both agitating for organized labor and agitating for trans rights. See point 1, above.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Wood Goblin on Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:21 pm

Don’t blame me. Blame the guy who insisted that he totally cared about marginal people and then spent several paragraphs expressing irritation about them and their causes.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Wood Goblin on Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:26 pm

Come on. Do you really believe the omission of who counts as “marginal” was accidental?
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby llllllllllllllllllllllll on Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:10 pm

Wood Goblin wrote:Don’t blame me. Blame the guy who insisted that he totally cared about marginal people and then spent several paragraphs expressing irritation about them and their causes.


Come on, man. Connor explained his point, how many pages are you going to draw this out for? There’s no need to be a dick about it.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby the_joe_lemur on Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:14 pm

no, the left ain't fractured at all!
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby jimmy two hands on Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:15 pm

the_joe_lemur wrote:no, the left ain't fractured at all!


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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby llllllllllllllllllllllll on Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:30 am

Recent free episode with Brace Belsen was great
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Adam Sr on Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:40 pm

llllllllllllllllllllllll wrote:Recent free episode with Brace Belsen was great

It was a gas!
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Andrew. on Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:29 pm

And the new Max Boot episode is great on US imperialism. Especially liked Will's comments and the discussion on how Democrats line up with imperial foreign policy.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby llllllllllllllllllllllll on Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:08 pm

Amber Frost’s episode with Vivek Chibber is great. Totally recommended, especially for people new to leftist politics.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Gramsci on Mon May 27, 2019 2:20 am

Anyone going to Chapo Trap House at Islington Town Hall? I was considering getting a ticket for the 7pm show... I literally don’t have a single meatworld friend that knows who they are...
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby llllllllllllllllllllllll on Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:37 pm

It will do nothing to dissuade the haters, but Will Menaker, who worked on Jerusalem, interviewed Alan Moore a few episodes back, and I really loved it. Moore himself is as out there as his work, and there’s something that appeals to me about artists who are heart-on-their-sleeve weirdos, like Greg Sage or the dude from Current 93. Of course I don’t believe that magic is real, but it makes me happy that there are people who do.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Adam Sr on Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:11 pm

You're right, even an interview by Menaker can do nothing to dissuade me from hating Alan Moore.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Wood Goblin on Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:19 pm

So I guess her role at Chapo is to be the “cool girl,” in the Gone Girl sense of the term? That was painful.

Also, Brett Easton Ellis is not a good “stylist.” He’s an untalented hack who writes cocktail party sociology.

Also, NAFTA had no effect on factory jobs in Indiana. Automation? Definitely. Trade with China? Absolutely. But NAFTA? Yeah, show me the data on that one.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby llllllllllllllllllllllll on Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:10 pm

Wood Goblin wrote:Also, NAFTA had no effect on factory jobs in Indiana. Automation? Definitely. Trade with China? Absolutely. But NAFTA? Yeah, show me the data on that one.


I just googled ‘NAFTA’ and ‘Indiana.’

The Wikipedia result:

According to the Economic Policy Institute's study, 61% of the net job losses due to trade with Mexico under NAFTA, or 415,000 jobs, were relatively high paying manufacturing jobs.[6] Certain states with heavy emphasis on manufacturing industries like Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana, and California were significantly affected by these job losses.[6] However, in Ohio, Trade Adjustment Assistance and NAFTA-TAA identified only 14,653 jobs directly lost due to NAFTA-related reasons like relocation of U.S. firms to Mexico.[8] In Pennsylvania, Keystone Research Center attributed 38,325 in job losses in the state to trade with Mexico and Canada.[9] Since 1993, 38,325 of those job losses are directly related to trade with Mexico and Canada. Although many of these workers laid off due to NAFTA were reallocated to other sectors, the majority of workers were relocated to the service industry, where average wages are 4/5 to that of the manufacturing sector.[7]
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Wood Goblin on Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:44 pm

You can look up the number of manufacturing jobs in Indiana on FRED and see for yourself. Indiana had a stable manufacturing industry (judged by employment) from 1994 (when NAFTA came into effect) through about 2000/2001, when manufacturing employment began to decline. It’s the same all over the US.

I admire a lot of people affiliated with the EPI, but their estimates make no sense to me, at least not here. China and automation had HUGE, global effects on the manufacturing industry. NAFTA really didn’t move the needle much. You can see it in the data.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Wood Goblin on Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:55 pm

Total US manufacturing jobs in January 1994, when NAFTA started: 16.9 million.

Total in December 1998: 17.4 million.

Total in February 2001, the month before the recession started: 17 million.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Wood Goblin on Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:21 pm

This is sort of a hobby horse of mine, so I’ll shut up after this, but NAFTA was neither the economic juggernaut that its supporters claimed it would be nor the economic disaster that its critics claimed it would be. I believe that the negative impact was limited to areas along the border. It just wasn’t a big deal. North American trade was already pretty well established by the time Clinton signed the deal.

Indiana and the rest of the Rust Belt were already getting killed by the time NAFTA came along. That region began to suffer in the 70s, and trade was only a part of the story.
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