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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby biscuitdough on Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:27 pm

I found the humor refreshing at first. They suck though. The chapo people are all too impressed with fringe movements like Living Marxism and neo-Stalinism to be actual democratic socialists. They're also way more interested in having fun and throwing spicy takes around than they are in working toward a broad, inclusive movement, community organizing, or doing anything that has any real effect.

I can thank them for exposing me to Richard Wolff. They should listen to him more themselves.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby rayword45 on Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:54 pm

llllllllllllllllllllllll wrote:
blackmarket wrote:Amber is about 6 months away from using the n-word openly and in public.


oh bullshit

But ever since, argues Frost, ‘When we tried to not be racist, we ended up using the same framework’, which today also lives on in identitarian form. ‘All “race” is, is that some people don’t sunburn. That’s the entirety of racial difference.’


ehheh

Sorry, as a PoC this still bothers me as horrifically privileged caucasity, and the fact that none of the Chapos, not just Amber, have yet to even acknowledge this interview makes me like them less and less with every passing second.

Do the Chapos not think their audience is smart enough to Google Spiked or something? Most of the fanbase I've seen is still calling for Amber's replacement after this shitshow, and with everything compounded such as ableism/Louis CK I'd call it deserved.

Also, regarding Anna, I find her visceral hate of fat people abhorrent, but it's funny when she tries to call it "bourgeoisie" or some other bullshit when

1. Obesity and similar health problems affect the lower classes disproportionately for multiple reasons
2. Cocaine
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby llllllllllllllllllllllll on Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:27 pm

Dude, how many times have you posted about doing adderall? Is there some sort of moral high ground with doing pills that I’m missing?
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Boombats on Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:43 pm

Who said anything about adderall?
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby rayword45 on Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:55 am

I have, like multiple fuckin years ago, and I admit to it. I've also recently been (finally) officially diagnosed with ADHD. And I don't know if I've fatshamed, but it would've been years ago at my younger teen years and WITHOUT the weird classist overtones.

Also, adderall, unlike cocaine, isn't primarily manufactured and sourced through the drug trade that costs thousands of South Americans their lives. But I know plenty of socialists and communists and whatnot that do cocaine, and I judge them less, because they don't just fatshame and say whiteass bullshit about race in a stupid, condescending and incorrect (both economically and scientifically!) fashion
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby rayword45 on Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:59 am

Also you talked about one point out of many. NONE of the chapos have had the guts to even mention the audacious stupidity of this interview, whether apologizing or even defending, and it strikes me as horrifically cowardly. Considering the Koch ties and the obvious falsehoods of their "real left" claims I wouldn't necessarily like them if they defended her appearance on motherfucking Spiked, but perhaps I'd respect them more.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby ooop on Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:51 pm

rayword45 wrote:Also you talked about one point out of many. NONE of the chapos have had the guts to even mention the audacious stupidity of this interview, whether apologizing or even defending, and it strikes me as horrifically cowardly. Considering the Koch ties and the obvious falsehoods of their "real left" claims I wouldn't necessarily like them if they defended her appearance on motherfucking Spiked, but perhaps I'd respect them more.


You are just a few baby steps away from talking about the Chapos like that woman Orangetree talked about Will Oldham assaulting her in her lyrics.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Andrew. on Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:17 pm

ooop wrote:
rayword45 wrote:Also you talked about one point out of many. NONE of the chapos have had the guts to even mention the audacious stupidity of this interview, whether apologizing or even defending, and it strikes me as horrifically cowardly. Considering the Koch ties and the obvious falsehoods of their "real left" claims I wouldn't necessarily like them if they defended her appearance on motherfucking Spiked, but perhaps I'd respect them more.


You are just a few baby steps away from talking about the Chapos like that woman Orangetree talked about Will Oldham assaulting her in her lyrics.


I don't know the Oldham reference, but this seems like a really stupid, obtuse comment in response to a critique of Frost saying such obviously contrarian and reactionary shit as that race is just who sunburns and who doesn't.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Wood Goblin on Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:20 pm

There was a woman who posted here and on Crooked Timber about how Will Oldham was harassing her via his lyrics. I think she also believed that he belonged to a sex cult. She was clearly having very serious and very real mental health issues. (I believe she even said as much on Crooked Timber.)
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Andrew. on Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:28 pm

So critiquing Frost for saying contrarian, reactionary shit about race on a Koch brothers-funded website is akin to being mentally ill. Cool.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby ooop on Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:51 pm

It's amazing how much bad faith is thrown around here. Extremely deep-seeded feelings and rage about about the cowardice of podcast hosts for not talking about the things one wants them to talk to them about seems a bit unhinged to me. The part I quoted was that, not a quote "critiquing Frost". I didn't say it was the same as that Will Oldham-obsessed person, but it is getting close.
Just like neither Amber or Anna have used the n-word, but we're all sure they are gonna any day now. Just like Amber didn't say the many things the people posting in this thread have attributed to her, or how she and Anna are indistinguishable, and how Chapo is somehow responsible for the things Anna says. Is rejecting race essentialism "contrarian, reactionary shit" by the way? Did Amber say, fuck black/brown people? Did she say "racism doesn't exist"? That would be some contrarian, reactionary shit, but I don't think she's said or written anything close to that. Is Adolph Reed a racist? May as well ask the same thing about Karen and Barbara Fields, who have also apparently written some "contrarian, reactionary shit."
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Andrew. on Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:59 pm

Die on the hill of your choice. I'm sure it will advance the class struggle.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Andrew. on Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:01 pm

Or if you prefer, explain why you think Frost's views on race as articulated in that interview are a helpful intervention that elaborates the Marxist perspective on race.

Hint: Even old Bernie is a lot better at this.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby ooop on Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:19 pm

Andrew. wrote:Or if you prefer, explain why you think Frost's views on race as articulated in that interview are a helpful intervention that elaborates the Marxist perspective on race.

Hint: Even old Bernie is a lot better at this.


Right, I don't think that. The interview is stupid. I never said it wasn't. What I don't understand is why everyone is convinced that Amber is apparently a life-long KKK member who must be cancelled and denounced by Chapo and all Good People, over and over again.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby jeff_fox on Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:54 pm

Bigger question is why you're so adamantly defending their bullshit.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby ooop on Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:57 pm

jeff_fox wrote:Bigger question is why you're so adamantly defending their bullshit.


***galaxy brain explosion***
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby rayword45 on Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:26 pm

And after realizing he's trapped in his own logical inconsistencies (these guys don't like these reactionary white women who decry "PC culture"? Imply they're sexist and mentally ill!) he resorts to memes
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Hexensabbat on Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:11 pm

rayword45 wrote:
llllllllllllllllllllllll wrote:Do the Chapos not think their audience is smart enough to Google Spiked or something? Most of the fanbase I've seen is still calling for Amber's replacement after this shitshow, and with everything compounded such as ableism/Louis CK I'd call it deserved.


Do you think the Chapo guys are trying to pretend it never happened or just avoiding dealing with an internet huff brigade that is never pleased? What exactly do you want them to do? End their years long close friendship and publicly scold her for your pleasure? If most of the fanbase is that mad, there is always that 130k+ Patreon that they could stop donating to. Other than that, there's no PR firm here to help quickly "cancel" her at the internet's whim.

The sunburn comment was stupid (...and factually wrong), but where is the racism? She says current attempts at identity politic use the same framework as the institutionalized racism it attempts to combat. Then she makes a bad attempt at saying "outside of that framework, race is only a difference in skin color."

I haven't listened to Chapo since 2016, but it seems Amber's worst crime these days is trying too hard to be a provocateur to social media outrage.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby andteater on Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:37 am

jeff_fox wrote:Bigger question is why you're so adamantly defending their bullshit.


it kind of reminds me of reading yahoo comments of stories about free tuition for college or increasing the minimum wage. always some doofus there willing to stick up for someone who wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.

thirsty, perhaps?
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby andteater on Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:39 am

Hexensabbat wrote: What exactly do you want them to do? End their years long close friendship and publicly scold her for your pleasure?


ummm. i think that is exactly what one would expect.

god, this show sucks.
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