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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby Clyde on Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:22 am

NewDarkAge wrote:Dialectics, mate. No easy answers.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby bishopdante on Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:18 pm

Anthony Flack wrote:Pointing out that a (generally quite large) observed INequality of outcome along the axis of race or gender is likely to indicate systemic INequality of opportunity along the same axis is absolutely NOT the same as demanding equality of outcome.

M.H wrote:The problem for the equality fetishists is that song and dance this has been going on for so many years that most people* have grown tired of pretending to care.


* middle class white people who aren't affected by this sort of discrimination and so can make it go away by simply ignoring it

It's never going to be over. It's never going to stop and go away. There's never going to be a time when we can say "yup, looks like society is completely free of unfair discrimination now. No need for any more self-examination ever again."

This hand-wringing/song and dance that you can't be bothered hearing about any more is absolutely necessary and always will be.

Nobody talks about the multitude of factors that might be contributing to these stats - the stories are driven by the assumption that systemic discrimination is the only cause.


Another straw fellow is wheeled out onto the stage for Jordan! Other factors are ENDLESSLY discussed. But this kind of systemic discrimination is death by a thousand cuts. It's never just one thing. What Peterson keeps coming back to is the idea that systemic discrimination on the basis of such things as race or gender doesn't exist or has only negligible effect (he is fond of saying we live in a meritocracy, which is laughable) and these inconvenient stats can be waved away as simply reflecting the natural order of things.

Maybe women don't WANT positions of leadership. Maybe black people are just naturally under-achieving.

And then off he goes to cherry-pick some examples from the animal kingdom that he can enlist in his endless game of special pleading in the service of apologism for institutional bigotry.


There is a common misconception about justice: Equal rights doesn't mean enforcement of absolute conformity. People don't have to be identical to be treated fairly - the fallacy is that fairness is not possible unless everybody is identical.

It doesn't matter if you're 5ft7 or 6ft4, the question of what to do about, say, a theft, or a murder... it should be quite the same.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby Me Again on Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:38 am

It had somehow escaped me until this morning that this bastion of insight and critical thinking has a video (possibly videos?) on PragerU.

That alone is reason enough to never take him seriously. Ever again.

I have seen quite a lot of "questionable" content on YouTube, but PragerU videos are among the worst of it. However, like Hans Wilhelm's stuff, this kind of fare can be richly entertaining if watched as comedy.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby bumble on Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:26 pm

This was a good review:

https://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/public/jordan-peterson-12-rules-kate-manne-review/

Peterson’s 12 Rules For Life is a fast-acting, short-term analgesic that will make many of his readers feel better temporarily, while failing to address their underlying problem. On the contrary, the book often fuels the very sense of entitled need which, when it goes unsatisfied, causes such pain and outrage. Peterson might have done a good thing by reaching and trying to talk young white men out of their unwarranted resentment, which is the predictable result of social norms changing for the better and the fairer. Some historically subordinate group members can sometimes now compete with and defeat the historically dominant person, who may subsequently have to master the art of losing gracefully. This might have been said with the candour, and sometimes ruthlessness, which Peterson clearly prides himself on being capable of elsewhere. Unfortunately, when it comes to this morally important battle, Peterson shrinks from conflict, and thereby avoids provoking – or improving – his readers.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby Andr3w_0 on Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:53 am

The most damning thing I've seen written about lobster boy, written by a former friend, departmental colleague and supporter, who now sorely regrets pushing for him to be hired; particularly given that the author has a trans daughter:

I was Jordan Peterson’s strongest supporter. Now I think he’s dangerous

Jordan has a complex relationship to freedom of speech. He wants to effectively silence those left-wing professors by keeping students away from their courses because the students may one day become “anarchical social revolutionaries” who may bring upon us disruption and violence. At the same time he was advocating cutting funds to universities that did not protect free speech on their campuses. He defended the rights of “alt right” voices to speak at universities even though their presence has given rise to disruption and violence. For Jordan, it appears, not all speech is equal, and not all disruption and violence are equal, either.

If Jordan is not a true free speech warrior, then what is he? The email sent through his wife’s account described Bill 28, the parenting bill, as part of the “transgender agenda” and claimed it was “misleadingly” called “All Families are Equal.” Misleading? What same-sex families and transgender people have in common is their upset of the social order. In Maps of Meaning, Jordan’s first book, he is exercised by the breakdown of the social order and the chaos that he believes would result. Jordan is fighting to maintain the status quo to keep chaos at bay, or so he believes. He is not a free speech warrior. He is a social order warrior.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby AdamN on Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:21 pm

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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby Anthony Flack on Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:17 pm

Ho! That was, uh, straightforward.

I guess that clip's not going to appear on Youtube as "Jordan Peterson PWONZZ!!1 a stupid liberal" any time soon.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby addley on Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:52 am

This dude loves this Jordan guy so much, maybe he should marry him!

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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby biscuitdough on Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:42 am

There is no glory in punching a cringing old hunchback in the face, but if someone were to go for it, neither there would there be any shame. He constantly asks for it when he gripes about not being able to use violence to resolve conflicts with women.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby placeholder on Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:17 am

Absolute CRAP.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby bishopdante on Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:21 am

biscuitdough wrote:There is no glory in punching a cringing old hunchback in the face, but if someone were to go for it, neither there would there be any shame. He constantly asks for it when he gripes about not being able to use violence to resolve conflicts with women.


It might well only be a matter of time before the legions of anon target him.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby Clyde on Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:07 pm

biscuitdough wrote:There is no glory in punching a cringing old hunchback in the face, but if someone were to go for it, neither there would there be any shame. He constantly asks for it when he gripes about not being able to use violence to resolve conflicts with women.


Pankaj Mishra wrote a a highly critical piece on JP in the New York Review of Books http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/19 ... mysticism/

Jordan Peterson's sputtering response on twitter (purposefully or not) misunderstood Mishra's criticism and JP threatened to sock Mishra in the jaw or some such.

Now, a few things about this.

1-As far as I know, there have been quite a few highly critical reviews of 12 Rules , but the only person Peterson threatened with violence is Mishra. Hard not read that as JP's offense that the subaltern dared to talk back to him.

2-It should go without saying that a supposed champion of free speech threatening violence to those who disagree with him is a tad inconsistent. (This also applies to Peterson suing a university because a couple of people compared him to Hitler.)

3-Mishra, for his part, dismissed Peterson's threat, saying among other things that he was surprised that a man who spends so much time telling his followers to toughen up was so fragile. But, geez, I kind of wish someone would take Peterson up on the offer. He's about as physically imposing as newly hatched moth. Imagine the hilarity of a 90 year old Noam Chomsky pummeling tough-guy Jordan Peterson.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby bishopdante on Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:21 am

Clyde wrote: Imagine the hilarity of a 90 year old Noam Chomsky pummeling tough-guy Jordan Peterson.


It's a shame that celebrity deathmatch isn't still going (R.I.P 2007).
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby Milksteak on Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:30 am

I've been living such a sheltered existence that I didn't know who this guy was until a couple months ago. I would like to go back to living in my cave, please.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby addley on Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:43 pm

Just make sure to keep it clean!
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby Anthony Flack on Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:51 pm

And mind some other lobster doesn't come along and push you out of it.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby Andrew. on Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:42 pm

I saw a YT clip where talks about the music he likes. Says he loves the Arcade Fire and Tom Waits and calls Waits a "total genius" or something. :)
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby Boombats on Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:52 pm

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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby bishopdante on Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:11 pm

Anthony Flack wrote:And mind some other lobster doesn't come along and push you out of it.


It''s a lobster push lobster world out there.
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Re: Alt-right darling: Jordan Peterson

Postby Boombats on Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:37 pm

Dude really knows how to make rape sound boring
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