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Re: 2020 Trump Opponent: Pete Buttigieg

Postby MJongo on Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:14 pm

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Re: 2020 Trump Opponent: Pete Buttigieg

Postby jeff_fox on Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:19 pm

It's fucking telling that this thread has more posts than the significantly older Bernie 2020 thread, but you all will never get it.
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Re: 2020 Trump Opponent: Pete Buttigieg

Postby andteater on Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:49 pm

greg wrote:
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Didn’t take long...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... trump-2020

“The appeal was sent out after a New York Times report revealed a series of private dinners in which Democratic leaders, strategists, donors – and even a presidential candidate, Pete Buttigieg – had met to discuss “the matter of What To Do About Bernie”


It was clear last week when I posted it too.

Clearly you didn't post it hard enough. Sanders was still in your heart. This is how Trump got elected.


Uh, you guys know he's running against Bernie Sanders right?


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Re: 2020 Trump Opponent: Pete Buttigieg

Postby MJongo on Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:59 pm

jeff_fox wrote:It's fucking telling that this thread has more posts than the significantly older Bernie 2020 thread, but you all will never get it.


I'll vote for him if he gets the nomination, and I'd bet that the vast majority of people posting in this topic would too. Are we not supposed to critique candidates during the primary or something? What exactly are we not "getting"?
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Re: 2020 Trump Opponent: Pete Buttigieg

Postby Angus Jung on Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:04 pm

I'll give Mayo Pete some credit for calling for Trump's impeachment. He probably did it because he saw how much attention Elizabeth Warren was getting, but he did it and it's good.

Bernie fucking wussed out on it.
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Re: 2020 Trump Opponent: Pete Buttigieg

Postby DrAwkward on Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:57 pm

MJongo wrote:
jeff_fox wrote:It's fucking telling that this thread has more posts than the significantly older Bernie 2020 thread, but you all will never get it.


I'll vote for him if he gets the nomination, and I'd bet that the vast majority of people posting in this topic would too. Are we not supposed to critique candidates during the primary or something? What exactly are we not "getting"?


On second thought, i'm editing this screed away since it's just gonna be interpreted as tone policing.
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Re: 2020 Trump Opponent: Pete Buttigieg

Postby jeff_fox on Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:24 pm

MJongo wrote:What exactly are we not "getting"?

99% of the people posting here, including myself, are Bernie supporters. Not so sure about lurkers, and definitely not sure about Facebook friends of all y'all posting shit like "he is trash", "he is horrible", and "he's basically a conservative." That last one is laughably idiotic.
The fact is, there's a chance this guy will get the nomination. Then all the mountains of shit you all have talked about him here and on other online forums are suddenly an obstacle to beating fuckface. Pointing out why Bernie is a better pick is great! Do it all day! But calling this guy the fucking devil one too many times can and will put off a complacent, fence sitting mouth breather from voting at all if he does get the nomination. And there are A LOT of these people. Decades of smearing HRC absolutely caused her to lose to the most unqualified candidate in history, regardless of any campaign and DNC crimes. Republican scumbags shutting the fuck up about that piece of shit and just VOTING, rather than turning it into a fucking punk rock dick measuring contest, helped him win. So just because YOU will vote democratic no matter what, doesn't mean all the exaggerated shit talking isn't chipping away at the voter base.

And if anyone here truly believes he is 'HORRIBLE' compared to, well, any president EVER based on what we've seen so far...you're a dumb fuck.
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Re: 2020 Trump Opponent: Pete Buttigieg

Postby greg on Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:32 pm

The dude owns stock and eats at OLIVE GARDEN.

Fuck that guy. I'm out!

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Re: 2020 Trump Opponent: Pete Buttigieg

Postby nihil on Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:07 pm

Angus Jung wrote:I'll give Mayo Pete some credit for calling for Trump's impeachment. He probably did it because he saw how much attention Elizabeth Warren was getting, but he did it and it's good.

Bernie fucking wussed out on it.



I completely disagree. Bernie Sanders response is spot on and echos Chomsky's:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/23/politics ... index.html

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/4/18/ ... _democrats
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Re: 2020 Trump Opponent: Pete Buttigieg

Postby MJongo on Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:23 pm

So are we just supposed to not say anything? I feel like this is a completely exaggerated concern and much different than Clinton, where the bashing was mostly from the right wing over literally decades and much of it based on completely lies. Buttigieg has said, done, and support some pretty bad stuff, and the good things he supports he seems to do in a nebulous fashion without taking any explicit stance. His position on felons not being able to vote is objectively horrible and racist as fuck. I don’t want him to win the primary over Warren or Sanders, but if he does, I definitely agree with getting behind him over Trump.
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Re: 2020 Trump Opponent: Pete Buttigieg

Postby jeff_fox on Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:26 pm

There's a lot of room in between saying nothing and saying some of the ridiculous shit in this thread.
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Re: 2020 Trump Opponent: Pete Buttigieg

Postby warmowski on Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:56 pm

Things that are better than Trump include Mayo Pete, The Hairsniffer, and a poke in the eye. "Better than Trump" is an immense, useless category, of interest, I think, mainly to persons whose political involvement = 1% voting + 19% browbeating people online + 80% napping. Seething hobbyists.

Mayo Pete is a cipher. There was a long US tradition, dead currently, called Social Gospel, or left christianity. Anybody who's studied what JC said knows it makes a lot of sense for such a thing to exist. But if Pete is supposed to represent a restoration of this tradition, then why do these two articles, both published by the god squad, both predicated on exactly that premise, both totally fail to meaningfully associate him with that movement or its ideas? They try to, but they can't.

That is a tell. At best the guy is a blank slate upon which milquetoast liberals may project any old shit they wish to see, and at worst, he's not actually associated with left christianity at all. That would be a real shame and loss of opportunity, because as long as we've got holy rollers everywhere, for fucking sure we could use a whole bunch of left christians getting in the face of US business.

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Re: 2020 Trump Opponent: Pete Buttigieg

Postby llllllllllllllllllllllll on Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:15 pm

jeff_fox wrote:Republican scumbags shutting the fuck up about that piece of shit and just VOTING, rather than turning it into a fucking punk rock dick measuring contest, helped him win.


I don’t think that’s what the 2016 Republican primaries on upto the election were like that at all.
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Re: 2020 Trump Opponent: Pete Buttigieg

Postby Boombats on Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:30 pm

jeff_fox wrote:Pointing out why Bernie is a better pick is great! Do it all day! But calling this guy the fucking devil one too many times can and will put off a complacent, fence sitting mouth breather from voting at all if he does get the nomination. And there are A LOT of these people.

Are you saying those people read the Electrical Audio forum?

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Angus Jung wrote:I'll give Mayo Pete some credit for calling for Trump's impeachment. He probably did it because he saw how much attention Elizabeth Warren was getting, but he did it and it's good.

Bernie fucking wussed out on it.



I completely disagree. Bernie Sanders response is spot on and echos Chomsky's:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/23/politics ... index.html

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/4/18/ ... _democrats


I haven't read those articles yet, but I think impeachment is a non-starter with the way things are stacked. I'd like to see Trump's execution, but I'm not going to call for it. Maybe if Sanders or someone else cool became president, then they could move to prosecute the living shit out of Trump. But let's just get him out of the White House the old fashioned way, ok?


warmowski wrote:Things that are better than Trump include Mayo Pete, The Hairsniffer, and a poke in the eye. "Better than Trump" is an immense, useless category, of interest, I think, mainly to persons whose political involvement = 1% voting + 19% browbeating people online + 80% napping. Seething hobbyists.
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Re: 2020 Trump Opponent: Pete Buttigieg

Postby numberthirty on Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:41 pm

Boombats wrote:
jeff_fox wrote:Pointing out why Bernie is a better pick is great! Do it all day! But calling this guy the fucking devil one too many times can and will put off a complacent, fence sitting mouth breather from voting at all if he does get the nomination. And there are A LOT of these people.

Are you saying those people read the Electrical Audio forum?


While I don't really want to poke fun at Jeff, this was the very first thing that crossed my mind.

On the "Men's/Ladies' Shoe Size" "Are You Actually Big Time?" scale, I have a feeling the PRF is about a "Size 5(Ladies)".
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Re: 2020 Trump Opponent: Pete Buttigieg

Postby Boombats on Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:49 pm

numberthirty wrote:On the "Men's/Ladies' Shoe Size" "Are You Actually Big Time?" scale, I have a feeling the PRF is about a "Size 5(Ladies)".

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Re: 2020 Trump Opponent: Pete Buttigieg

Postby DrAwkward on Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:27 pm

numberthirty wrote:
Boombats wrote:
jeff_fox wrote:Pointing out why Bernie is a better pick is great! Do it all day! But calling this guy the fucking devil one too many times can and will put off a complacent, fence sitting mouth breather from voting at all if he does get the nomination. And there are A LOT of these people.

Are you saying those people read the Electrical Audio forum?


While I don't really want to poke fun at Jeff, this was the very first thing that crossed my mind.

On the "Men's/Ladies' Shoe Size" "Are You Actually Big Time?" scale, I have a feeling the PRF is about a "Size 5(Ladies)".


Touche, but this sort of thing is also all over Twitter and Facebook, where one can assume the audience for such sentiments is a little wider-ranging than here on the forum. It's everywhere and it's no less annoying and frustrating here or there.
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Re: 2020 Trump Opponent: Pete Buttigieg

Postby Antero on Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:17 am

The fuck is going on where this sack of shit security state centrist whose only policy value is "rich people want me to beat bernie" has any NC votes? Do your fucking research people.
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Re: 2020 Trump Opponent: Pete Buttigieg

Postby jeff_fox on Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:15 am

Boombats wrote:
jeff_fox wrote:Pointing out why Bernie is a better pick is great! Do it all day! But calling this guy the fucking devil one too many times can and will put off a complacent, fence sitting mouth breather from voting at all if he does get the nomination. And there are A LOT of these people.

Are you saying those people read the Electrical Audio forum?

Hell fucking yes. I know for a fact we have libertarian douchebags among us so it's really not a stretch that there are people who put very little thought into this shit. They don't chime in, because DUH!
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Re: 2020 Trump Opponent: Pete Buttigieg

Postby ldopa_chicago on Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:37 am

jeff_fox wrote: Decades of HRC being a warmongering, private prison-supporting, working class-hating neoliberal absolutely caused her to lose to the most unqualified candidate in history

FYP.

See, to me this is the problem. Attributing HRC's loss to anything other than an abject failure of her as a candidate and centrist Democratic policy (or lack thereof). The solution to Trump is not more bullshit centrism; that indeed is the cause of Trump. The solution to Trump is a strong left candidate. Pelosi and the rest of the DNC bootlickers cozying up to Blue Cross Blue Shield is going to be the kind of shit that gets Trump reelected.
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