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Re: Activist Kiddo: Greta Thunberg

Postby curry pervert on Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:39 pm

Jeez Bishop, learn the word 'succinct'.

Anyway, Fatboy Slim sampled her UN speech:

https://youtu.be/qtuvP8En0vU
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Re: Activist Kiddo: Greta Thunberg

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Re: Activist Kiddo: Greta Thunberg

Postby Andrew. on Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:04 pm

Greta visits Alberta.

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Re: Activist Kiddo: Greta Thunberg

Postby curry pervert on Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:43 pm

^ Fucking morons.
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Re: Activist Kiddo: Greta Thunberg

Postby askii on Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:50 pm

I hope she's arranged to visit the actual tar sands, ideally with some of her new Native comrades. The visual of those mines alone is worth a thousand death-metal-worthy words.
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Re: Activist Kiddo: Greta Thunberg

Postby famousjunkie on Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:26 pm

I don't think it's healthy for somebody this young to be getting so much media attention and scrutiny. Positive or negative, it feels like people are just using a child to attain personal ideological victories.

I watched a few clips of her speak and there seemed to be a darkening of the circles under her eyes as the interviews went on. Probably very exhausted from having cameras and microphones shoved in her face, people constantly trying to "catch" her saying something wrong, as well as overzealous supporters draining her energy.

I don't think that's healthy for anybody, but a kid makes me feel even worse about it. Yeah, I sound very moralistic but whatever. It's true. This isn't a good way to live and we should stop doing this kind of thing.
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Re: Activist Kiddo: Greta Thunberg

Postby bishopdante on Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:17 am

With the advent of the Internet, a large dose of unfettered public exposure is dangerous like never before.

Social media has had its car crashes - particularly the problem with photographic and video representation is that people's likeness becomes a mass commodity, which is a very personal sort of publishing, which is novel, especially in the context of digital networked media.

Kiki Kannibal was one of the first casualties of real-time video media: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... ire-66507/

The problem is that if a small minority of people decide to make your life a misery [particularly if they work for a government agency or large oil company, and have significant psywar resources], the potential level of aggressive privacy invasion and the cost of securing your entire life to A-list anti-paparazzi levels is not to be underestimated.

Greta Thunberg's sister has (no doubt) been part of the collateral damage.
https://www.insider.com/greta-thunberg- ... gn-2019-10

The contemporary twitter-insta-facebox-sky-CNN-newscorp media circus has some significant occupational hazards - I do hope that Trumpo is recognised as one of the shining lights of the ongoing social media disaster, but unlike pretty much everybody else he's insulated by a very expensive secret service / military security patrol, and it's much harder surviving that sort of exposure if you are in an environment where there are no degrees of separation betweeen the general public and the publisher, via the internet. It's easy to become public property and get paid precisely zero for it in the internet era.

As a counter-example... can you visualise Robert Louis Stevenson's face? it used to be easy to maintain your privacy while publishing - and arguably it still is possible if you know how to play your cards well.

Particularly in the case of stalkers, and those one-in-a-million dedicated creeps, ask anybody who has had the dubious privilege of A-list promoted celebrity what it's like when you wake up to find another dedicated and thoroughly delusional obsessively full-time stalker in your bedroom/kitchen.
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Re: Activist Kiddo: Greta Thunberg

Postby kokorodoko on Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:25 am

bishopdante wrote:Sweden is kinda scary. Spent quite a while naked in a featureless white sci-fi dystopian cell being given strange orders like a "simon says" game, hold your hands on your head, stand on one leg, spread your butt cheecks etc thanks to the utterly humourless Swedish Police, with their Army Vibe, and the presence of a very small quantity of marijuana (0.47g in total), and the fact that the crew were assorted international, black/arabic/slavic etc. It was seemingly serious, like we had nuclear materials on us.

"Swedish Conservative" certainly has some negative connotations, and there are some slightly less friendly reasons why anti-aviation and "stop travelling" might be popular topics in certain circles https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats

First paragraph: That's just cops being cops, no?

Second paragraph: Strange paranoia which I don't understand. Why are Swedish conservatives scarier than any other conservative? You seem to suggest that anti-immigrant parties might be keen on the "stop flying" idea because it would mean fewer immigrants flying in? Well possibly, though quite far-fetched. Nobody has said "stop travelling" either, only "stop flying" or "fly less", which regardless of the line anti-immigrant parties might have regarding it is a concrete response to the immediate issue - although not prehaps as effective as it might seem at the outset since I would guess that a significant part of air travel is done for overseas shipping and the like, things that are not so easily done away with.

The Sweden Democrats hate Greta, for that matter.
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Re: Activist Kiddo: Greta Thunberg

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Re: Activist Kiddo: Greta Thunberg

Postby mazacultura on Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:41 pm

Every shithead baby boomer on my Facebook feed seems to be freaking out about this girl nonstop, so that's a Not Crap by itself.
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Re: Activist Kiddo: Greta Thunberg

Postby bishopdante on Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:06 pm

kokorodoko wrote:
bishopdante wrote:Sweden is kinda scary. Spent quite a while naked in a featureless white sci-fi dystopian cell being given strange orders like a "simon says" game, hold your hands on your head, stand on one leg, spread your butt cheecks etc thanks to the utterly humourless Swedish Police, with their Army Vibe, and the presence of a very small quantity of marijuana (0.47g in total), and the fact that the crew were assorted international, black/arabic/slavic etc. It was seemingly serious, like we had nuclear materials on us.

"Swedish Conservative" certainly has some negative connotations, and there are some slightly less friendly reasons why anti-aviation and "stop travelling" might be popular topics in certain circles https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats


First paragraph: That's just cops being cops, no?


No, being locked in a featureless ultra-bright-white cell the size of a phonebox, naked, for 4hrs, while my passport was taken away, then told to go through a personal-violation routine where some guy in jackboots and a beret wanted to peer up my fucking asshole and ask me to perform various lewd balancing acts so they could inspect every surface without touching me. Maybe that's normal some places, but the british police don't do that. It's very much hostage-taking army orders, you get told what to do, given orders in sequence with no idea what will happen next, or how long you'll be there for, or even if you have any rights to legal representation, a phonecall, the embassy, or whatever. In sweden, turns out... you don't!

I was busted for sitting on a train with a micro-joint's worth of herb loose in my pocket and got picked up by an army of coppers with a sniffer dog. Once sniffed and pockets inspected, I said "yea, OK, busted", expecting to get, I dunno, confiscation? Can we see your passport? Ah OK, you're a travelling crew from London, you've got a flat in Sweden supplied to you, the papers and keys all add up, and you're not actually hiding anything. Maybe an on the spot fine? A warning? Nah nah nah. Stop the train. 40 cops get on. You're all coming down the station, and we're taking away your clothes and your passports, and subjecting you all to serious violation, followed by being coerced into signing over powers of attorney to the Swedish Government, so that they can charge me with international smuggling, or I'm staying in the cells for the weekend and missing the show we're all working on, and going to court on Monday with a jail stretch on the menu. I'll admit, it's nowhere near as seriously draconian as somewhere like North Korea, but I definitely thought, while in the cell "this has a very gestapo vibe, guys".

Everybody got the same naked blindingly bright phonebox search, even though the sniffer dog was not interested in them. The swarthier the skin, the more violating the search, we discerned on the debrief.

Put it this way, I'm not getting busted for any joints in Sweden. If I can, I avoid the place completely. They're notorious for nicking musicians for a joint and really taking the prosecution far too far.

Snoopzilla reportedly won't go back, for similar reasons.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/ ... ish-police

Marijuana laws in Sweden are some of the harshest in Europe, and the country outright bans any and all possession, sale, transport, and cultivation of cannabis, including medical marijuana—with few exceptions.

The possession, transport, cultivation, and sale of cannabis is federally illegal in Sweden and many Swedish law enforcement officers and lawmakers do not distinguish between weed and harder drugs.

The national police use the standards of a particular policy known as "disturb and annoy," backed by the government's zero-tolerance policy. This means that police may stop an individual on the suspicion of drug use—and the police are trained on how to spot someone under the influence of a narcotic. They do not need any further reason than suspicion to make an arrest.


The alcohol situation is also bizarre, being that the only company licensed to sell anything stronger than 3.5% is a monopoly run by the government https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systembolaget

After 7pm on Fridays, and 3pm on Saturdays, there is nowhere in Sweden to buy a bottle of wine for home consumption, let alone anything stronger.

Hence the Swedes are notorious for weekend alcohol-tourism in Norway and Denmark. Recently the Danish government had to pepper spray a bunch of swedish teenagers, and return them in a pile *hammered*, on a commandeered ferry. They'd started rioting after being declined entry to nightclubs and drinking on the beach.

There are also the notorious offshore booze cruises.
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kokorodoko wrote:Second paragraph: Strange paranoia which I don't understand. Why are Swedish conservatives scarier than any other conservative?


I'm not suggesting they're anywhere near as scary as the UK's C18. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_18

kokorodoko wrote:You seem to suggest that anti-immigrant parties might be keen on the "stop flying" idea because it would mean fewer immigrants flying in? Well possibly, though quite far-fetched. Nobody has said "stop travelling" either, only "stop flying" or "fly less", which regardless of the line anti-immigrant parties might have regarding it is a concrete response to the immediate issue - although not prehaps as effective as it might seem at the outset since I would guess that a significant part of air travel is done for overseas shipping and the like, things that are not so easily done away with.


It's not remotely paranoid. The modern environmentalism movement has its origins in conservative movements, with naziism taking it to a whole new level of proficiency.

https://facingtoday.facinghistory.org/e ... earth-week

As we celebrate Earth Week, it might seem obvious that ecological thinking and aims are always aligned with moral behavior and compassion. But that isn’t always the case, and it certainly wasn’t the case in Weimar and Nazi Germany where the field of modern ecology emerged.
Surprisingly, Nazi leadership ardently championed renewable energy, and institutionalized organic farming and land use planning on a level unmatched by any nation past or present. These environmental policies might seem like a welcome departure from the rest of the Nazi program, but their environmentalism was actually grounded in the same racist worldview that shaped the Holocaust.

Despite the racist underpinnings of Nazi environmentalism, the desire to live in better partnership with the planet and participate in contemporary environmental activism does not make one a Nazi. Exploring how to live well with one another and nonhuman life on this planet is, undoubtedly, a vital task of this generation. But this task demands that we understand the origins of our modern ecological science and some of the devastating ways that those ideas can be operationalized.


Y'a get me blud.

Here's a parallel analogy: It was also GE and Krupp research science that developed tungsten carbide cutting tools, and a cartel partnership was used to massively inflate the price of the material http://www.ranknfile-ue.org/uen_nastybiz.html deliberately manipulating the price so that the nazi regime paid less than 10% of the market price for cutting tools. However I have no objection to people using tungsten carbide tools, nor would I suggest that anybody is a nazi simply for owning some router bits.

kokorodoko wrote:The Sweden Democrats hate Greta, for that matter.


This surprises me not one little bit.
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Re: Activist Kiddo: Greta Thunberg

Postby kokorodoko on Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:03 pm

bishopdante wrote:No, being locked in a featureless ultra-bright-white cell the size of a phonebox, naked, for 4hrs, while my passport was taken away, then told to go through a personal-violation routine where some guy in jackboots and a beret wanted to peer up my fucking asshole and ask me to perform various lewd balancing acts so they could inspect every surface without touching me. Maybe that's normal some places, but the british police don't do that. It's very much hostage-taking army orders, you get told what to do, given orders in sequence with no idea what will happen next, or how long you'll be there for, or even if you have any rights to legal representation, a phonecall, the embassy, or whatever. In sweden, turns out... you don't!

Oh, I see. For some reason I glanced over the being naked and spreading ass-cheeks parts and took them for being said for dramatic effect and not meant literally. I apologize. That's really fucked up.

Timothy Leary said about LSD that it has the tendency to produce psychosis in people who haven't taken it. The same can be said for the Swedish government about marijuana. Don't even get me started.

The alcohol monopoly though, is the least of my worries (although the history of it (and the very influential "temperance movement", which was/is also close to social democracy) does shed some light on the government's attitude to intoxicants overall).

But I mean, does the Britishman really want to talk to me about drinking culture? :)

bishopdante wrote:The modern environmentalism movement has its origins in conservative movements, with naziism taking it to a whole new level of proficiency.

That's an insane simplification. Sure there are tendencies toward rural romanticism or nature worship (we are being punished for disturbing the the balance of pure mother nature blabla) which indeed finds affinity with fascist ideas, but to suggest that the environmentalist movement as it took shape in the 1970s or whatever was a reemergence of some nazi impulse is ridiculous - the connections are just to vague and wide.
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Re: Activist Kiddo: Greta Thunberg

Postby bishopdante on Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:01 pm

The similarity between certain aspects of XR and weird creepy german stuff... I'm serious man... they have tree people. They live up trees, militantly in Germany.

I cannot deny that XR's stated intentions are noble, and that the movement counts among its ranks a number of leading academics and also quite a few hard-working non-famous politicians, most of the people attending are right-on, and a lot of them are normal, sensible, well-educated people, and that the movement is partly financed by Malcolm McLaren's son, but in all honesty there are aspects of the participation who are as creepy-cult as you'll find in any hippie field in glastonbury. It's not that they are similar... it's them lot.

Same with all this NWO antisemitic stuff, people are underestimating how much traction a lot of the stuff from history that's "condemned" is actually alive and well in open view. Is there cultish proto-nazi antisemitism/antifreemasonry in the Labour party? I'd be surprised if there isn't. There's a lot of it about, in places and people that you would find surprising, and such materials can easily be summoned up on any smartphone any time.

Whether Wehrner von Braun's V2 rockets sending men to the moon, or Bayer and Monsanto recently merging to form the world's largest chemicals company, or the obvious industrial links between american industrialists and financiers, particularly the Bush and Rockefeller dynasties, the 19th century's racist globalisation force of colonialism has been kept materially and ideologically up-to-date and in many cases amplified into grotesque and bizarre ideologies which are daily politically manipulated for profit and power, particularly as the internet has turned the mass media into a tumbledrier of free content of mysterious origin and clandestine mass-surveillance. The internet as it stands is every propagandist's dream.

I'm also slightly worried about how pointy the extinction rebellion logo is. It really does look ever so slightly nazi, right?

Well, as it happens, it's a neo-pagan symbol invented as an environmentalism rune...

I dunno, I got creeped out by some of it, and I was very not impressed that a lot of the demonstrators had little to no knowledge of the laundry of nazi assets, and the cover-up of the regime's many connections to commercial companies and partners all over the world, or how central Germany has been to the process of global industrialisation, linking very directly to being the premier ironmongers and arms dealers from the medieval period to the present day, and progressing via the dye-syndicate IG Farben to a high-technology molecular engineering discipline.

You name it, that black-clad gas-mask SWAT team is very likely to be using H&K guns, which was built in Germany out of the remainder of the Mauser Waffenfabrik company that the French occupying force didn't make off with.

Whether action or reaction, the evolution of various movements and trends is always culturally complicated. I don't honestly think that people have genuinely got to the bottom of what was so dysfunctional or functional and successful about the nazi regime, or how much of it is still a force in today's politics.
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Re: Activist Kiddo: Greta Thunberg

Postby GrantMcNeilly on Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:18 pm

bishopdante wrote:The similarity between certain aspects of XR and weird creepy german stuff... I'm serious man... they have tree people. They live up trees, militantly in Germany.


Yep, it's creepy as shit, and those ads for ecosia are all over my youtube too.

I cannot deny that XR's stated intentions are noble, and that the movement counts among its ranks a number of leading academics and also quite a few hard-working non-famous politicians, most of the people attending are right-on, and a lot of them are normal, sensible, well-educated people, and that the movement is partly financed by Malcolm McLaren's son, but in all honesty there are aspects of the participation who are as creepy-cult as you'll find in any hippie field in glastonbury. It's not that they are similar... it's them lot.


This is the main reason why people don't actually believe in climate change - the more nature is used as performative politics, the easier it is to dismiss. There have been back-to-the-land nature movements throughout history and all the advocate for are the interests of local autonomy / republicanism against a more centralized, bureaucratized state. Stuff like XR might seem like a 'global' phenomenon but ultimately it's a business phenomenon working for unregulated interests.

Same with all this NWO antisemitic stuff, people are underestimating how much traction a lot of the stuff from history that's "condemned" is actually alive and well in open view. Is there cultish proto-nazi antisemitism/antifreemasonry in the Labour party? I'd be surprised if there isn't. There's a lot of it about, in places and people that you would find surprising, and such materials can easily be summoned up on any smartphone any time.


Look, the elephant in the room is that in every society where the Roman empire once ruled Jews were bureaucrats and merchants because it's easier to use slaves and outcasts than locals for these jobs, since locals will start demanding too much. It's simple common sense, kind of like Plato's republic applied to the real world. I'm half jewish myself and was in denial about this for a long time, I thought I could live in America and just blend in, but everywhere I went people pointed me out for looking jewish and I know now more than ever how people see me. They built an entire damn religion, Christianity, that subtextually suggests how to rebel against the government - kill the jew, its bureaucracy (but render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's of course). People who don't want to live with elites, who believe in social Darwinism (or even just some kind of MERIT), who hate capitalism for being alienating and want some kind of human perfection - whether it is communist, aryan, the northern European version, or more familial, like in southern Italy - the jews are a constant reminder that there is, or was, or MIGHT BE, an elite (I would argue that since the neoliberal turn there actually is this kind of abuse of racial performative politics, taking the works of people like Leo Strauss into account). Most church heresies and arguments throughout history touch on these points, in appropriately coded language of course (because what was Catholicism if not just a trade network, in the end?). A lot of nazis had jewish friends, just like a lot of Christians love jesus, but in the end they/he need to die, because they're always dependent on whoever is powerful, and turn the other cheek - they are, in other words, the scapegoat. The big argument over whether there was an 'enlightenment' today, in academic circles, basically comes down to whether it involved the "religious question" or not. The fact that America used to say it was about the growth of capitalism, and now the top historian at Princeton says it's about spinoza and esotericism and 'nature' in philosophy, tells you everything you need to know about the turn politics has taken since the religious resurgence of the late 70s, the silent majority, etc.

I'm also slightly worried about how pointy the extinction rebellion logo is. It really does look ever so slightly nazi, right?

Well, as it happens, it's a neo-pagan symbol invented as an environmentalism rune...


Yep. Same way in movies lately there's been a lot of neo-pagan stuff. The most amazing one I saw was 'valhalla rising' by Nicholas Windig Refn, which I figure was basically just made for nazis. If you don't look at that movie as a pagan odin killing the Christian oppressor then reaching America I don't know what to tell you, but I couldn't believe how blatant it was - and yet it was 'arty' enough, probably, for this to slip right past people.

Whether action or reaction, the evolution of various movements and trends is always culturally complicated. I don't honestly think that people have genuinely got to the bottom of what was so dysfunctional or functional and successful about the nazi regime, or how much of it is still a force in today's politics.


There are certain groups of people who have been conditioned through centuries, and are turned on by, the idea of repression and shame. When I think of 'freedom' I think of free time to go crazy and be indulgent, but a lot of people think of freedom as freedom from the government and they'll waste their entire lives working to make money in order to leave it. The administrators, the perfectionists - hell, even the hippy-hating punks who are just sickened by the total hypocrisy of it all. People always say that fascism is somehow attractive, and personally I've always thought it was stupid, but it's not made for a southern European catholic jewish guilt creature like me - it's made to destroy exactly me. It's a reformative movement, and anyone with a Christian reformation background will probably deep down sort of get it.
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