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Re: Countries: New Zealand

Postby B_M_L on Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:13 am

"Sheep Scanner"

Do you think this is the guy that is paid to count sheep? You need qualifications to do this?

I'm a little ashamed that we're importing Shepherds! Not enough local talent? it's a travesty. We are failing at local shepherd training... what would our forefathers say...

Next they'll have "Quirky DIY Pop Singers" on the urgent skills list... the country is going to ruin!
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Re: Countries: New Zealand

Postby fishingrhod on Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:17 am

B_M_L wrote: We are failing at local shepherd training... what would our forefathers say...

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Re: Countries: New Zealand

Postby madmanmunt on Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:24 am

B_M_L wrote:
iembalm wrote:http://www.visabureau.com/newzealand/skill-shortage.aspx


That's the one. New Zealand is still desperate for Florists! and jockeys... and a Sommelier! The country needs your wine tasting skills people.


Master Sommelier diploma is pretty serious shit. There are probably less than 200 Master Sommeliers in the world. I would think you could get a work permit in any country with that qualification.
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Re: Countries: New Zealand

Postby Ruffian on Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:00 am

i want to go to new zealand bad. it looks so beautiful.

also, last year we set up a show for a band from NZ called Batrider and they were fucking awesome. great band and amazing nice people. they made me wanna visit for sure. oh, and flying nun stuff is cool.
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Re: Countries: New Zealand

Postby OrthodoxEaster on Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:33 pm

madmanmunt wrote:
B_M_L wrote:
iembalm wrote:http://www.visabureau.com/newzealand/skill-shortage.aspx


That's the one. New Zealand is still desperate for Florists! and jockeys... and a Sommelier! The country needs your wine tasting skills people.


Master Sommelier diploma is pretty serious shit. There are probably less than 200 Master Sommeliers in the world. I would think you could get a work permit in any country with that qualification.


Indeed.

Although I think what NZ really needs is to veer away from international-style wines. They need less aggressive wine consultants. There's a lot of potential there. But the winemaker and the varietal seem to dictate the character; not so much the vineyard. They're geographically straightforward. Unfortunately, so many of the sauv blancs are pleasantly puckering, but a little too uniformly grassy and/or fruity. Lacking in complexity and missing the crucial mineral component. Often decent, but not so unique from winery to winery. Most of the pinot noir I've tasted has been similarly "fine" but unexciting. Granted, NZ might be keeping the good stuff for domestic consumption. But I'd like to see more noninterventionist, terroir-driven wines come out of that country--like NZ's own take on what's going on in the Loire and northeast Italy. Wines w/more of a localized sense of place, from region to region. Not just varietal character or some national "grassy" or "gooseberry" style.

I think the youth of NZ's wine industry, as well as constant concerns over ripeness, might be putting terroir and variety on the back burner.

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The best thing was almost all of the ex-Yugos in NZ stayed friends and keep going to the Yugo Social Clubs etc even after the war started.


Yes, that's right. That's what usually happened. My Croat friend who fled to London when shit hit the fan hanged around with ex-Yugoslavians in exile -Serbians, Bosnians, Macedonians, Slovenians...We all speak same or quite similar languages. In general I like company of Serbian people pretty much. Btw, ex-Yugoslavia had genuine late 70s/early 80s new wave and post-punk scene and most of my favourite bands hailed from Beograd [Belgrade]: "Idoli", "Å arlo Akrobata", "ElektriÄ


It's much the same w/the immigrant situation here in NYC. Serbian cafes serving Montenegrin and Croatian wines, w/Muslim lamb AND Serb pork dishes. And people from all of these countries coexisting in parts of Queens. Everyone, except for a few really religious wackos, hanging out at the same bars.

When traveling in the former Yugoslavia today, the nationalism can be quite depressing in places (Skopje, southern Bosnia, even Dubrovnik). It's a real pity b/c each country is quite incredible in its own right, in terms of natural beauty, food, and cool people. The Serbs have this "bad guy" image in the States, but it's always seemed largely unfounded to me and based on the actions of idiot politicians and rednecks, not the general Serbian population who are quite misunderstood.

At times it seems like the only thing uniting the former Yugoslavia is a dislike of Albanians. And that's sad.

I don't know enough Yugo-punk to comment, but I've heard that there were a number of spectacular bands in the '80s. And I believe it. The first three records by the Hungarian band Vágtázó Halottkémek are as distinctive as, possibly even better than, anything by a Western European or American noise-rock band from the same time period. And if the Hungarians can do it...

Oh yeah... New Zealand seems cool. I have always wanted to go there. The scenery looks lovely. The wine scene has potential. Delicious lamb. I was also a huge fan of the Xpressway/Dead C. South Island underground in the '80s and '90s. Dadamah and the Garbage and the Flowers (who moved to Australia and still exist) in particular.
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Re: Countries: New Zealand

Postby Carl on Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:29 pm

I'm going to have to renew my passport soon. When I do, I'll say goodbye to the NZ work visa plastered on one page. Salut, visa that brought me much happiness!
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Re: Countries: New Zealand

Postby Rachi on Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:15 am

Choice as bro!
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Re: Countries: New Zealand

Postby Domagoj on Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:34 pm

New Zealand, on top.

Funny Eastern European characters/fonts have fallen off the internet message board since my last login:

"Idoli", "Å arlo Akrobata", "ElektriÄ

Looks more like from Scandinavia now.

OrthodoxEaster wrote:At times it seems like the only thing uniting the former Yugoslavia is a dislike of Albanians. And that's sad.

All right, it's sad but not that much. This is a little misconception on your part. People from northern parts of ex-YU didn't have any reason to dislike Albanians. I've never met an Albanian person in my life (if I don't count brief encounters in cake shops, predominately owned by Albanians in this area). But generally I agree, one can quite easily observe some form of openly expressed nationalism in former Yugoslavia. SE Europe has never been famous for being politically correct.

OrthodoxEaster wrote:I don't know enough Yugo-punk to comment, but I've heard that there were a number of spectacular bands in the '80s. ...


There were some exceptional bands in the 1980s. South Slavs were doing it OK inside their insular world. External Anglo-American influences were obvious but they upgraded them very well. For sure there is enough archival material to write a decent book about underground, or more precisely, about not commercial YU music of the 1980s; one chapter reserved for every single former Socialist Republic of Yugoslavia. Slovenian, Croatian and Serbian would be the most interesting, B&H and Macedonian would be lagging behind, and finally Montenegro would fit in two short paragraphs. I can easily imagine dedicated reissue label having fine catalogue too.

That would be putting ex-YU back on the map.

I've never heard a record by Vágtázó Halottkémek or any other Hungarian band. I looked them up in the internets and was thrilled by what I read.

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I used to romanticize flying nun label (Homestead imports, thank you!). Still I do it sometimes, moderately. I moved closer to my home in the meantime. I travel while listening more than I listen while traveling ... Auckland Wellington Christchurch Dunedin Edinburgh Glasgow Manchester Leeds London Amsterdam Berlin Düsseldorf Köln Ljubljana Rijeka Zagreb Novi Sad Beograd Sarajevo Skopje …

NZ bands and ex-YU bands at least had one thing in common – isolation. In case of NZ the isolation was geographical (faraway country in the Southern Hemisphere) and in case of ex-YU sort of geo-political (socialist country squeezed between Iron Curtain and Western Europe, down in the South East Europe).

Few months ago, browsing review sections of old FE magazines, I was quite entertained by the editors' (rock dudes with attitude) fascination with feeble records coming from NZ.

I'd travel to New Zealand by (cargo) ship.
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Re: Countries: New Zealand

Postby Carl on Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:07 pm

dvockins wrote:That is the most pretentious bullshit I have heard in the last three years and I live in Brooklyn.
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Re: Countries: New Zealand

Postby Anthony Flack on Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:27 pm

I'm in two minds about this. The isolation is not always so cool. But the music has historically been good, I think, because anybody with any career ambition goes overseas. Good music is produced in an environment where being a musician is a shit life.
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Re: Countries: New Zealand

Postby Podge9 on Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:10 am

Choice for sure, loved the place. The people are great too.
If you could make it less far away, that would be fantastic.
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Re: Countries: New Zealand

Postby Gramsci on Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:58 pm

I'm from NZ and I can tell you the place is getting shitty and more rightwing by the year. I've lived out of the country for 13 years and every time I go back things look worse.

When I was growing up there we barely had any real social inequality, now there is a big divide between rich and poor and a really nasty streak of selfless rightwing politics has come to dominate elections. Plus the cost of living is now absolutely insane.

New Zealand used to be about as good as a country gets - if you didn't mind the isolation -now it's like a crappy Australia, only with better wine.
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Re: Countries: New Zealand

Postby Anthony Flack on Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:21 pm

Yes. Our prime minister is a neoliberal fuck, and the public love him. More shitty and more rightwing every year. That is right. This shit is spreading everywhere.

The gap between rich and poor continues to grow and the country is increasingly becoming separated into poor people and pricks.
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Re: Countries: New Zealand

Postby AnthonyVillalobos on Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:20 am

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Re: Countries: New Zealand

Postby skewer on Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:50 am

But, let's not forget the essentially free healthcare, the $3 (still?) prescriptions and the no-fault personal accident insurance cover.
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Re: Countries: New Zealand

Postby Anthony Flack on Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:56 pm

And staying with the positive theme, we were recently ranked as basically the least corrupt country on earth, which is good!
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Re: Countries: New Zealand

Postby Gramsci on Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:13 pm

Anthony Flack wrote:Yes. Our prime minister is a neoliberal fuck, and the public love him. More shitty and more rightwing every year. That is right. This shit is spreading everywhere.

The gap between rich and poor continues to grow and the country is increasingly becoming separated into poor people and pricks.


Sad as it is your last comment made me smile...

There are lot of great things about NZ, but I fear these are more and more just memories from growing up there in the 80s and my adolescence in the 90s. I have to say it was a fucking great place back then. Far enough to force us to do a lot of things for ourselves, but globalised enough to not miss things like seeing Shellac or Fugazi play at some shitty bar or crumbling community hall.

Low corruption and good public services, but those are getting undermined year by year. If Prime Minster Keys had his way he'd flog every State asset to his mates for nothing in a heartbeat, including health and education. Plus the cost of living is fucking crazy. To me London is cheaper than Auckland. That's fucked.

The thing I liked the most about NZ was something I didn't notice until I left and is now pretty much gone, it was classless. I have never thought about "rich" and "poor" "working" or "middle" class at all before I moved to the UK, where it gets rammed in your face every time someone opens their mouth. (because 30 secs of listening to a Brit speak can tell you almost everything there is to know about their background and "class")

As far as I can tell the NZ of my youth has gone for ever.
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Re: Countries: New Zealand

Postby Anthony Flack on Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:28 pm

It's certainly not classless as it was. The line between the underclass and the pricks is hardening, and inequality is becoming way more evident everywhere.

Prime minister Key is a neoliberal fuck, indeed, but it's his undying popularity that frustrates me. Stay tuned as he gets elected for a third term.

I'm also finding the cost of living pretty high these days... and that's compared to Tokyo. Food is expensive, and we send all the good stuff overseas. Pay is still shit, but I guess that depends which side of the social divide you fall on, as some people are obviously creaming it.
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Re: Countries: New Zealand

Postby brisket on Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:50 pm

Yeah, but we have a different sort of class system developing rapidly
-- you own a house, or you're a criminal. Those are the two classes. Only one of them is represented in the media, and in Parliament. Accents won't help you figure out which is which either.

The only way to make a living wage here now is to invest in property or sell drugs/booze.

The informality of our society is great. We're (comparatively) enlightened re gender and sexuality. It's an easy place to make music. The beaches are great. I know a lot of excellent people here. But the truth is, I wanna get out.

Then I feel bad because I should be fighting instead. But I'd be fighting against what seems to be a majority of people who will likely remain smug and callous until true disaster strikes, like property prices falling. Then I think, surely I don't really see the world so differently from the Average Kiwi the press fawns over. When I actually meet them, I realise I do. So instead I just associate with my friends, who are basically all broke and mentally ill and wonderful people. But is it different anywhere else?
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