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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby ooop on Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:08 pm

Membership in the DSA, for example, is no longer a black mark on a Google search; it is a respectable middle-class organization where young, educated go-getters can demonstrate their leadership skills, work ethic, and commitment. As such, it at­tracts downwardly mobile yet aspirational members of the PMC [professional managerial class], who can very easily trade on their participation in an ostensibly socialist organization for the sort of progressive bona fides that get you that corner office.


I haven't read Amber's piece, just this paragraph, and I can confirm that this is going on, at least in DSA chapters I'm familiar with. Literal HR managers, who joined DSA yesterday, inviting themselves to give McKinsey-like presentations to the Executive Board on how they think DSA could do better "leveraging my experience from the many workplaces I have managed." Astounding, ridiculous shit. Non-profit/NGO radlibs everywhere, more interested in networking and having social events than doing any actual outward-facing organizing. It's very concerning.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby mazacultura on Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:27 pm

Amber drama du jour aside, this week's show (368 - High, High Hopes) is an all-timer.

Goofing on Prince Andrew, an informative rundown with an expert on what the fuck is actually happening in Bolivia, then Felix laying out increasingly elaborate ways to commit suicide by cop while doing the Mayor Pete dance.

Exactly what I needed.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby llllllllllllllllllllllll on Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:29 pm

It’s always the same people mad at Amber. Who even cares anymore
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby JFord on Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:34 pm

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Membership in the DSA, for example, is no longer a black mark on a Google search; it is a respectable middle-class organization where young, educated go-getters can demonstrate their leadership skills, work ethic, and commitment. As such, it at­tracts downwardly mobile yet aspirational members of the PMC [professional managerial class], who can very easily trade on their participation in an ostensibly socialist organization for the sort of progressive bona fides that get you that corner office.


I haven't read Amber's piece, just this paragraph, and I can confirm that this is going on, at least in DSA chapters I'm familiar with. Literal HR managers, who joined DSA yesterday, inviting themselves to give McKinsey-like presentations to the Executive Board on how they think DSA could do better "leveraging my experience from the many workplaces I have managed." Astounding, ridiculous shit. Non-profit/NGO radlibs everywhere, more interested in networking and having social events than doing any actual outward-facing organizing. It's very concerning.

This is 100% going on in my DSA chapter as well. It is awful and she is 100% correct about it.

The Amber-obsession is pathological at this point.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby addley on Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:33 pm

How ironic Clyde, I didn't hear of this article until I read your post and then I had to search it out! Bwahaha!

Frost's PMC makes me think of Michael Albert's coordinator class, as outlined in this famous interview performed by a young boy eating pizza.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Andrew. on Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:23 pm

They took a victory lap on Warren and M4A (mostly Matt), but Will was careful to jump in to say there's still plenty of room on the Bernie Express for people rethinking their Warren support.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby rayword45 on Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:00 pm

llllllllllllllllllllllll wrote:It’s always the same people mad at Amber. Who even cares anymore

lol do you ever put some substance in your defenses of Amber?
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby rayword45 on Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:01 pm

"Who even cares anymore" that the co-host of a highly influential podcast went on a right-wing rag to shit on the DSA? Mere months after she went on a different faux-progressive right wing rag with her cryptofascist friend to state that race is meaningless, that we need to capitulate to bigots and make shitty transphobic jokes? Yeah, who fucking cares.

Jesus fucking Christ.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby addley on Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:03 pm

Shitting on DSA, how so? Will have to look it over again
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby llllllllllllllllllllllll on Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:05 pm

rayword45 wrote:"Who even cares anymore" that the co-host of a highly influential podcast went on a right-wing rag to shit on the DSA? Mere months after she went on a different faux-progressive right wing rag with her cryptofascist friend to state that race is meaningless, that we need to capitulate to bigots and make shitty transphobic jokes? Yeah, who fucking cares.

Jesus fucking Christ.


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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby rayword45 on Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:42 pm

I’m relaxed, thanks for asking a second time, I’m just bewildered at your blatant desperation to sniff Ambers hair manifest into yet another weak defense of her based on absolutely nothing.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby rayword45 on Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:47 pm

also to be quite clear i dont give a fat fuck about amber being a moron and appearing on whatever right wing rag shes on this time, ive come to expect it, i just find your toothless defenses of her (lol remember when you tried to use idpol to defend her trashing of idpol??) combined with implying those rightfully angry are crazy or “pathological” to be utterly tasteless
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby addley on Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:10 am

I don't listen to Chapo a lot anymore, it okay
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby llllllllllllllllllllllll on Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:12 am

rayword45 wrote:I’m relaxed


five minutes later

rayword45 wrote:also to be quite clear i dont give a fat fuck about amber being a moron and appearing on whatever right wing rag shes on this time, ive come to expect it, i just find your toothless defenses of her (lol remember when you tried to use idpol to defend her trashing of idpol??) combined with implying those rightfully angry are crazy or “pathological” to be utterly tasteless
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Boombats on Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:13 am

I back rayword45 on this. You can have a strong belief and still be relaxed.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby rayword45 on Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:39 am

perfectly relaxed right now, still amused at iiiiiiiiiiiiiiitoomanyis’ constant toothlessness like just say u wanna fuck amber bro, maybe shell shittalk the dsa with you
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Gramsci on Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:52 am

Andrew. wrote:I saw someone pull an excerpt from the article that includes this quote:

Membership in the DSA, for example, is no longer a black mark on a Google search; it is a respectable middle-class organization where young, educated go-getters can demonstrate their leadership skills, work ethic, and commitment. As such, it at­tracts downwardly mobile yet aspirational members of the PMC [professional managerial class], who can very easily trade on their participation in an ostensibly socialist organization for the sort of progressive bona fides that get you that corner office.


OK, Amber.

The editor of American Affairs is the kind of Harvard hedge fund creep Chapo would normally eviscerate, but in this case he's Amber's collaborator.

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Not sure how publishing in American Affairs jibes with the old school working-class solidarity Amber claims to celebrate, but presumably it pays better than Jacobin or The Baffler.


Just remember Amber was the one that was the most vociferous hosts during the UK tour shows attacking the utter ludicrousness of Spiked and Toby Young... as soon as she got back she was taking Spiked and therefore David (RIH) & Charles Koch's money.

Never forget that. Just to be clear.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Gramsci on Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:54 am

llllllllllllllllllllllll wrote:It’s always the same people mad at Amber. Who even cares anymore


Koch money.
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Gramsci on Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:57 am

JFord wrote:
ooop wrote:
Membership in the DSA, for example, is no longer a black mark on a Google search; it is a respectable middle-class organization where young, educated go-getters can demonstrate their leadership skills, work ethic, and commitment. As such, it at­tracts downwardly mobile yet aspirational members of the PMC [professional managerial class], who can very easily trade on their participation in an ostensibly socialist organization for the sort of progressive bona fides that get you that corner office.


I haven't read Amber's piece, just this paragraph, and I can confirm that this is going on, at least in DSA chapters I'm familiar with. Literal HR managers, who joined DSA yesterday, inviting themselves to give McKinsey-like presentations to the Executive Board on how they think DSA could do better "leveraging my experience from the many workplaces I have managed." Astounding, ridiculous shit. Non-profit/NGO radlibs everywhere, more interested in networking and having social events than doing any actual outward-facing organizing. It's very concerning.

This is 100% going on in my DSA chapter as well. It is awful and she is 100% correct about it.

The Amber-obsession is pathological at this point.


One of the funniest things on Chapo is when they call someone out for an anecdote that never happened, wouldn't you agree?
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Re: Podcast: Chapo Trap House

Postby Andrew. on Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:32 pm

JFord wrote:
ooop wrote:
Membership in the DSA, for example, is no longer a black mark on a Google search; it is a respectable middle-class organization where young, educated go-getters can demonstrate their leadership skills, work ethic, and commitment. As such, it at­tracts downwardly mobile yet aspirational members of the PMC [professional managerial class], who can very easily trade on their participation in an ostensibly socialist organization for the sort of progressive bona fides that get you that corner office.


I haven't read Amber's piece, just this paragraph, and I can confirm that this is going on, at least in DSA chapters I'm familiar with. Literal HR managers, who joined DSA yesterday, inviting themselves to give McKinsey-like presentations to the Executive Board on how they think DSA could do better "leveraging my experience from the many workplaces I have managed." Astounding, ridiculous shit. Non-profit/NGO radlibs everywhere, more interested in networking and having social events than doing any actual outward-facing organizing. It's very concerning.

This is 100% going on in my DSA chapter as well. It is awful and she is 100% correct about it.


I thought the ladder-climbing "corner office" bit sounded ridiculous, but if what you two see in your chapters (care to enlighten us which ones they are?) is representative, then she's addressing a real phenomenon and I stand corrected there. It's nonetheless odd to condemn the DSA's class politics in a rightwing magazine edited by an Ivy League hedge fund capitalist.
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