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Elizabeth Warren will endorse:

Sanders
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4%
Biden
4
17%
Nobody
16
70%
Clinton
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9%
 
Total votes : 23

Warren will endorse:

Postby Boombats on Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:16 pm

She dropped out. She has refused to endorse anyone today. Ultimately she will pick either Sanders or Biden, or abstain completely. Which choice do you think she will make?
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Re: Warren will endorse:

Postby Boombats on Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:54 pm

hot discussion in here
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Re: Warren will endorse:

Postby askii on Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:20 pm

I stared at this poll for a while earlier and realized I have no fucking idea how to vote. That fact might just be the single saddest thing about this whole trainwreck of a primary.

Wasn't that long ago I held Elizabeth Warren in very high regard. Will always be grateful to her for knocking off that Tea Party shitbag occupying Ted Kennedy's seat in my home state, and for slaying the Bloomberg Demon. She's been one of my favorite senators.

Hope she does the right thing, but I'm not confident enough to vote.
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Re: Warren will endorse:

Postby brephophagist on Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:13 am

I'm also pretty unsure, but I picked "nobody" because instinctually I feel like it's the smartest play for her.
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Re: Warren will endorse:

Postby enframed on Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:26 am

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Re: Warren will endorse:

Postby the_joe_lemur on Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:44 am

Boombats wrote:hot discussion in here


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Better?
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Re: Warren will endorse:

Postby Boombats on Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:49 am

Hey now, no need to reubenjuice the thread. I'm just surprised people didn't post sooner.
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Re: Warren will endorse:

Postby Pasta on Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:26 am

the_joe_lemur wrote:
Boombats wrote:hot discussion in here


Sellout Jew liberal. 9/11. 69.

Better?

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Re: Warren will endorse:

Postby Me Again on Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:48 am

You forgot Zionist Rothschild lizard spawns...and the con-man exodus.
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Re: Warren will endorse:

Postby jimmy spako on Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:05 am

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Re: Warren will endorse:

Postby atomjackfuser on Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:01 am

Pasta wrote:
the_joe_lemur wrote:
Boombats wrote:hot discussion in here


Sellout Jew liberal. 9/11. 69.

Better?

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Re: Warren will endorse:

Postby askii on Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:35 pm

She was on Maddow last night perpetuating the Bernie Bros narrative, so that's not a good sign.

Meanwhile, an actual Nazi unfurled an actual Nazi flag at a Bernie rally. Thankfully his Bros nonviolently took care of the problem before he even saw it.
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Re: Warren will endorse:

Postby tmidgett on Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:28 am

Probably no one.

She hates Biden and much of what he stands for.

Then again, she's a politician, and if he would tell her she's a cinch for VP, she would probably go for it.

I think Biden runs with Harris. So I say Liz doesn't endorse.

Bernie would be a pleasant surprise--would also likely make no difference.
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Re: Warren will endorse:

Postby Andrew. on Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:12 pm

Looking like no one, hey.

Would've thought picking a side was a moral duty at this moment in history, with Trump, children in cages, the climate emergency, etc (and Biden being terrible and certain to lose against Trump). Guess not. If less than half her supporters had gone to Bernie on Super Tuesday, progressives would've picked up Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, and Texas, instead of Biden.

A good antidote to the reanimation of elite white liberal feminism around Warren dropping out is being with a racialized (Indigenous) partner who has no patience for "white woman tears." She's been sharing this Naomi Klein clip with white women friends on FB who are mourning Warren's dropout and despairing at Bernie Bros. A choice Nina Turner clip would be even better.

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitic ... 584769460/
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Re: Warren will endorse:

Postby Boombats on Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:35 pm

Warren is shit
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Re: Warren will endorse:

Postby Redline on Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:47 pm

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Re: Warren will endorse:

Postby Christopher on Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:08 pm

Andrew. wrote:Looking like no one, hey.

Would've thought picking a side was a moral duty at this moment in history, with Trump, children in cages, the climate emergency, etc (and Biden being terrible and certain to lose against Trump). Guess not. If less than half her supporters had gone to Bernie on Super Tuesday, progressives would've picked up Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, and Texas, instead of Biden.

A good antidote to the reanimation of elite white liberal feminism around Warren dropping out is being with a racialized (Indigenous) partner who has no patience for "white woman tears." She's been sharing this Naomi Klein clip with white women friends on FB who are mourning Warren's dropout and despairing at Bernie Bros. A choice Nina Turner clip would be even better.

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitic ... 584769460/


Phenomenal. That clip needs to be shared far and wide.
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Re: Warren will endorse:

Postby askii on Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:56 pm

Yeah, that Naomi Klein clip is great. Her role as a Bernie surrogate has made me appreciate her even more than I already did.

Another good one, although it's more of a time commitment, is this recent episode of The Katie Halper Show, "I Hated Bernie Bros Until I Loved and Lost One", featuring Kate Willett.

Standup comedian, activist and writer Kate Willett talks about how the death of her boyfriend, standup comedian Raghav Mehta, pushed her to support Medicare for All, fall in love with his friends she used to hate, and turn into a Bernie Bro. Plus what she saw while canvassing in Iowa and New Hampshire, and what it's like being yelled at by Leftists online and liberals on the line, which is worse, how to convert liberals to the cause, why she likes Bernie's yelling and what she wants people to know about Raghav. Check out Kate's piece at Elle: http://www.elle.com/author/224656/kate-willett/
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Re: Warren will endorse:

Postby VaticanShotglass on Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:44 pm

I think the hesitation to comment here is partially a matter of exhaustion and wanting to not be as cynical about Warren as the situation likely warrants.
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Re: Warren will endorse:

Postby Justin Foley on Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:46 pm

Boombats wrote:Warren is shit


There's a pervasive online thing where people stridently brand a whole host of public figures as being utter garbage. This is really bad. We can go back through the "Presidential candidates" threads here (or hop on Twitter for 20 seconds) and examples abound of why everyone (except maybe Sanders) is absolute trash.

It is childish.

If you're going say only solution to any of the public issues that we face is an immediate socialist revolution (maybe initiated through electing Bernie Sanders as president) and that everything else must be judged solely on "so is it THAT or not?" then you've got an utterly binary approach to political discourse and good luck with that.

(One could say "anything that IS NOT a communist revolution is incrementalism, which is why Joe Biden or Pete Buttigieg are actually worse than Donald Trump." Perhaps I'm making this up as a straw man argument; I hope so because it's too arrogant to even want to engage.)

In the case of Elizabeth Warren, I'll use one small example of why calling her "shit" is dumb: She advocated early in her campaign (and didn't back off from) imposing a significant tax on existing high-end wealth. She's not the first person to think this up, but it's a huge shift against the totally pervasive myth of "keep what you've collected" that is a terrible cancer in the US. It'd be a seismic change and a very welcome one.

She was trying to win the office of the Presidency and had to make choices. Some of those were ill-founded, some may exhibit some bad thinking or values, some may have been hard political compromises. None of them make her shit. And I've got no problem saying that all of the other Dem candidates - although I really, really do not prefer them - represent a better place on the spectrum of awful-to-perfect than what we've got in the White House now.

I bring it up here because this tendency in discourse - that evaluating a complex judgment of people or policies as being worse than binary judgment - discourages conversation. If you have to defend the very idea of a nuanced approach when you engage in conversation with someone, it's like - why fucking bother? This person is demanding a ridiculously simplistic scorecard. I'd rather go hang out in the Tech Room.

I want Warren to endorse Sanders and I hope she and he are being strategic about the timing of an announcement. If she doesn't, she'll go down a peg in my estimation of her. She's not going to be "shit" if she does, though.

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