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Re: new turntable for me, please.

Postby geiginni on Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:36 pm

Whoa!

That'll make the price of a VPI Prime a little easier to stomach!
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Re: new turntable for me, please.

Postby rappard on Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:38 am

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Evin Relocation wrote:Anybody check out these U-Turn joints yet?

I can't stop looking at records; they just seem to be calling out to me!

Edit: http://uturnaudio.com/turntables/


Curious if anyone has experience with these as yet (apologies if I missed it in another thread).

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I just checked their website - the customization and upgrade options look great.

That said, for the same budget you can get a Pro-Ject. They've been around far longer and (more importantly) spare parts are easily available. Will U-Turn be around five years from now? Also, shipping your turntable to get it fixed sounds like a major drag.
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Re: new turntable for me, please.

Postby superslacker on Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:37 am

Avoid the audio technica ATLP60, especially if you're a guitar player, they play records slightly fast. Unfortunately, I discovered this after buying one and trying to play guitar along to a song.
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Re: new turntable for me, please.

Postby Redline on Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:49 am

superslacker wrote:Avoid the audio technica ATLP60, especially if you're a guitar player, they play records slightly fast. Unfortunately, I discovered this after buying one and trying to play guitar along to a song.
You get what you pay for.

Pitch / motor speed control is a must...Many cheaper used turntables have pitch controls.
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Re: new turntable for me, please.

Postby Ben Abraham on Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:41 pm

I'm looking to step up my turntable game and I'm looking to replace my Technics SL-5200.

I considered getting the highly recommended Music Hall, Pro Ject, etc, but I kind of like the convenience of a good quality automatic. It's nice to just turn the thing on and make breakfast or something without manually operating the table.

Does anyone here know anything about old Dual 12xx series turntables? They have a multiplay feature that lets you drop different records like a jukebox. This seems cool but is it more of a gimmick than anything else? Will it mess up records? I've been scoping out eBay for some restored/serviced ones.

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Re: new turntable for me, please.

Postby Ben Abraham on Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:14 pm

Ben Abraham wrote:I'm looking to step up my turntable game and I'm looking to replace my Technics SL-5200.

I considered getting the highly recommended Music Hall, Pro Ject, etc, but I kind of like the convenience of a good quality automatic. It's nice to just turn the thing on and make breakfast or something without manually operating the table.

Does anyone here know anything about old Dual 12xx series turntables? They have a multiplay feature that lets you drop different records like a jukebox. This seems cool but is it more of a gimmick than anything else? Will it mess up records? I've been scoping out eBay for some restored/serviced ones.

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I should have heeded the advice of others on the thread. I grabbed one on eBay: it showed up broken but apart from that it's bulky and overly complex and annoying to use.

I'm going to save up for a Pro Ject Debut Carbon Espirt.
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Re: new turntable for me, please.

Postby jbar on Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:18 pm

I just inherited my grandfather's old tower. Not sure of the brand, age, or quality of the needle. Should I worry about changing anything? Seems to work fine. I have some Boner era melvins stuff I'd rather not shred.
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Re: new turntable for me, please.

Postby El Protoolio on Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:08 pm

I'd swap the needle and make sure it's balanced and set up properly.
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Re: new turntable for me, please.

Postby Redline on Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:40 pm

The 4000 dollar Technics sl-1200g turntable is a "Product of the Year" for Absolute Sound magazine, even though the reviewer didn't like the tonearm, so he's only reviewing the rest of it (!!!), and it's direct drive after everyone in the universe said belt drive is better, and now you can hear the sound of my Absolute Sound subscription expiring...
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Re: new turntable for me, please.

Postby Facundo on Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:34 am

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Re: new turntable for me, please.

Postby motorbike guy on Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:41 am

Redline wrote:The 4000 dollar Technics sl-1200g turntable is a "Product of the Year" for Absolute Sound magazine, even though the reviewer didn't like the tonearm, so he's only reviewing the rest of it (!!!), and it's direct drive after everyone in the universe said belt drive is better, and now you can hear the sound of my Absolute Sound subscription expiring...
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that tonearm is great for a DJ. Not so good for hifi. it has a nasty upper mid resonance that I do not like.

Why would they recommend the turntable if there is no provision to fit an alternate tonearm? Eh. TAS has been irrelevant for a while. it is a shame. in the 80s and 90s they were the bible. Stereophile is marginally better, I guess. Just pinch your nose shut and read Fremer?
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Re: new turntable for me, please.

Postby Redline on Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:42 pm

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Why would they recommend the turntable if there is no provision to fit an alternate tonearm?

Visions of James Bond in You Only Live Twice pop into my mind.

I already let Stereophile run out, after awhile I got to the point of listening to my stereo instead of taking all the time to improve it.

On a related note, the new Music Direct catalog is out and there's all kinds of wild stuff in there, JBL speakers with giant horns, crazy VPI turntables, etc.
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Re: new turntable for me, please.

Postby mookie1010 on Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:17 am

OK - I need some help. Several weeks ago, I went to play a record while some friends were over, and while there had always been a very small hum in my set up, I just chalked it up to the fact that the turntable was in the room with a bunch of WiFi and other electrical components. But that day several weeks ago, it was noticeable to the point that we couldn't listen to the record without hearing it.

So I took it to the shop. They gave it back saying they couldn't reproduce the problem. I went back to where they bench tested it and gave a listen to their set up, which was into an old pioneer amp and wired speakers. It was dead quiet. Played a record at a volume that made it impossible to hear one another, and when I lifted the tonearm, it was silent. When I get the deck home, the problem persists.

I haven't been home for several weekends, and even some weeks, so I haven't had time to troubleshoot it until this week, and whatever solution I apply yields no change. Here's the original setup that I've had for years with no trouble.

Project Debut -> project phono box -> sonos amplifier -> whatever speakers I choose, usually the living room.

When the hum developed, we were messing around with the ground wire, which would change the hum but not eliminate it. I'd been wanting a new pre-amp, so I took this as an excuse to buy a new one that had a headphone jack.

New preamp installed - problem followed to the new preamp. Problem followed when I disconnected the nearby power amps and wifi router and switch and had the set up only going from turntable to preamp to headphones. Hum persists. Moved this simple set up to several outlets in the house on separate circuit breakers. Hum persists. unplug turntable from power source. Hum persists as long as the RCA cables are plugged in between the 2 devices.

Began reading that Project's having 3 known issues that cause hum
1. Cheap RCA cables - suggestion is to switch out the cables for better shielded cables, however my deck is a version where the RCA cables are soldered to the deck electronics.
2. Cheap Power supplies - suggestion is to upgrade to the Speed Box, which is a better power supply. I found one online and replaced it. Hum Persisted.
3. Motor needs to be better isolated from the deck with rubber spacers. Since my set up makes noise with the power disconnected, this can't be a mechanical hum.

Last straw was yesterday, where I shut off every breaker in the house except the one where the deck was plugged in, because the house is 50 years old and has had several electrical changes through the years. Hum persists, even with the simple set up of deck into preamp into headphones, and follows no matter where I plug in the set up to in the house, and shut off all other breakers.

Last Last straw - to 100% eliminate the cheap RCA cables that are hardwired to my deck, I went and bought another debut that is not hardwired, and set this up with both the supplied RCA cables and some of the super heavy duty shielded cables in the simple set up described. Hum follows to the new deck as well, and is audible at all circuits in the house, even with the deck unplugged from power and only wired to the preamp with the RCA cables.

Conclusion - I am somehow picking up incredible interference in my house that I wasn't before.

Ideas? A friend is bringing a power conditioner over this afternoon to try, but I'm not too confident this will solve it either...
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Re: new turntable for me, please.

Postby biscuitdough on Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:56 pm

Mookie, when you moved to the other outlets, was the turntable still oriented the same way? Some big transformer near you could be pushing eddy currents that are inducing into some coil in the TT. See if a 90 degree change in orientation makes a difference.
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Re: new turntable for me, please.

Postby Facundo on Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:45 am

Going for the AT LP120 after three years of vestax handytrax toy turntable
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Re: new turntable for me, please.

Postby mookie1010 on Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:19 pm

The table has faced north, south, east and west at all testing iterations. No changes. One thing occurred to me - we had a radiant barrier installed in April, which basically coated the underside of the roof in foil. I wonder whether this is amplifying something in the house somewhere? Or creating a ground loop somehow? My guitar amp has always been super noisy in this house since we moved in, but did not change post radiant barrier install.
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Re: new turntable for me, please.

Postby biscuitdough on Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:22 pm

Do you have dimmer switches or fluorescent lights?
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Re: new turntable for me, please.

Postby Facundo on Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:40 pm

mookie1010 wrote:The table has faced north, south, east and west at all testing iterations. No changes. One thing occurred to me - we had a radiant barrier installed in April, which basically coated the underside of the roof in foil. I wonder whether this is amplifying something in the house somewhere? Or creating a ground loop somehow? My guitar amp has always been super noisy in this house since we moved in, but did not change post radiant barrier install.


- Dirty AC (coils, motors, non-led lights, fridges, etc).
- Dry grounding (add water around the rod).
- Bad wiring; open ground; no ground.

Solutions:

Tacklife EST02 or similar (around $8, plug checker).
AC Stabilizer (around $100, best friend of audio electronic devices) for dirty AC.
Ground rod (many buildings don't have).
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Re: new turntable for me, please.

Postby mookie1010 on Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:32 pm

biscuitdough wrote:Do you have dimmer switches or fluorescent lights?

Yes to dimmers, no to fluorescent. All lights are LED's through every part of the house. I was trying to make sure that I eliminated the variable by killing every breaker except the one that had the outlet I was using at that time in the series of 4 room experiments.

Power conditioner didn't work.
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Re: new turntable for me, please.

Postby etch on Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:52 am

Facundo wrote:Ground rod (many buildings don't have).


I had to do this once to get rid of hum. I ran some bare copper wire to the ground underneath the house and built a little junction box for the TT wire to connect to inside.
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