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Re: Biggest jerk in rock music?

Postby numberthirty on Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:27 pm

Sid Hartha wrote:
Redline wrote:Michael Jackson

Very much like Ted, but without the right-wing chickenhawk feature. Also, MJ was kind to animals.

And he made some great records.


There's also that Corey Feldman has gone to bat for Micheal.

Nobody goes to bat for Ted. 'Cause Ted is a jerk.
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Re: Biggest jerk in rock music?

Postby Redline on Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:09 am

numberthirty wrote:
There's also that Corey Feldman has gone to bat for Micheal.

I thought Corey Feldman told the cops that when he was 14 years old, 35 year old Michael Jackson showed him porn at his house...?
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Re: Biggest jerk in rock music?

Postby SkronkFronkerdale on Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:44 am

Michael Jackson is the one instance of such things where I kinda feel like he's innocent. He was such an easy target to exploit and make millions off of. You could not get an easier target that way. He was all emotionally fucked up from being exploited and never having the proper care and love of his parents. Had a deep, obsessive longing for a childhood he never got to have, and preferred to spend his time around children. But I think he truly adored children partly because they didn't treat him like he was a freak or weirdo or famous person. They didn't look to use or exploit him as most everyone else in his life had done. The innocence and earnestness of children is incredibly healing for a damaged soul, and I have serious doubts that Michael would betray their innocence in this way. I think he just loved that innocence about them. Its very possible it just wasn't "weird" to him to have slumber parties with children, because he kind of was one at heart and didn't relate to adults so much. Why would he given the position he was in? Seemed like such a gentle soul to me, and even seemed to lack the capacity to defend himself from all the vultures that inevitably surround famous people. He had ridiculous amounts of money, after he paid people to leave him alone it inevitably appears to be a confession of guilt. I don't know. It was a fucked up situation.

I think he was incredibly talented sure, but I never really listen to him and don't know if I'd consider myself a "fan", other than in some distant generalized way - which is to say this isn't some biased fan viewpoint, at the very least. If he's guilty of molesting any children, then fuck me for sticking up for him, but I'd wager that a lot of the people that just outright assume he did that stuff are much bigger jerks than he ever was. But its impossible to say.

EDIT - okay so I looked it up after writing this(probably should have done that before), and there are a lot more claims against him than I had realized, and by grown men. Children can be easy targets to be manipulated to say or believe things, but grown men is another story. So I dunno. Maybe he did do that stuff. That's so fucked if he did. Oh god what a world.
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Re: Biggest jerk in rock music?

Postby travis k on Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:03 am

Let's imagine that I've never heard of Michael Jackson.
If you put him in a line up of 50 people and asked me to point to the child rapist, I would most likely say it's the black guy who's really pale, 15 in from the left.
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Re: Biggest jerk in rock music?

Postby jimmy two hands on Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:01 am

travis k wrote:Let's imagine that I've never heard of Michael Jackson.
If you put him in a line up of 50 people and asked me to point to the child rapist, I would most likely say it's the black guy who's really pale, 15 in from the left.

I'm pretty sure I'd point to Ted Nugent in that lineup.
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Re: Biggest jerk in rock music?

Postby travis k on Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:04 am

Me too. He wasn't in that line up . The room only had room for 50 people. Nugent was in the next. I would finger the Nuge.
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Re: Biggest jerk in rock music?

Postby Redline on Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:40 am

After reading the Replacements book, they all pretty much seem like jerks, but they were nice when we played with them in Milwaukee.

People really hated H.R. from the Bad Brains a while ago.
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Re: Biggest jerk in rock music?

Postby Tommy on Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:09 pm

numberthirty wrote:
Sid Hartha wrote:
Redline wrote:Michael Jackson

Very much like Ted, but without the right-wing chickenhawk feature. Also, MJ was kind to animals.

And he made some great records.


There's also that Corey Feldman has gone to bat for Micheal.

Nobody goes to bat for Ted. 'Cause Ted is a jerk.


I'm in the camp suspecting MJ crossed some lines. But It's debatable. One could argue that the way Feldman has turned out could suggest he was perhaps routinely sexually abused. He's a super creep. Pretty sure he is taking advantage of all of those "Angels" he mentors. Granted, they are of legal age. He's still a total creep.

The Nuge's behavior isn't speculation.
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Re: Biggest jerk in rock music?

Postby hellholiday on Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:12 pm

No Warren Zevon? "I'll Sleep When I'm Dead" was one of the few music books I've ever stopped reading from disgust. And I finished the Eagles book.
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Re: Biggest jerk in rock music?

Postby Anthony Flack on Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:39 pm

One could argue that the way Feldman has turned out could suggest he was perhaps routinely sexually abused.


Feldman has repeatedly said that he and Corey Haim were routinely sexually abused by Hollywood bigwigs when they were teen stars.
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Re: Biggest jerk in rock music?

Postby numberthirty on Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:57 pm

Redline wrote:numberthirty wrote:
There's also that Corey Feldman has gone to bat for Micheal.

I thought Corey Feldman told the cops that when he was 14 years old, 35 year old Michael Jackson showed him porn at his house...?


As I recall, Feldman did actually say that was the case and said he would confront someone who did that to his kid.

However, he has never once wavered on if Michael actually abused him. That's going to bat for someone.

No one, that I can recall, has ever done that for Nugent in regards to preying on young women/girls.
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Re: Biggest jerk in rock music?

Postby numberthirty on Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:03 pm

Tommy wrote:I'm in the camp suspecting MJ crossed some lines. But It's debatable. One could argue that the way Feldman has turned out could suggest he was perhaps routinely sexually abused. He's a super creep. Pretty sure he is taking advantage of all of those "Angels" he mentors. Granted, they are of legal age. He's still a total creep.

The Nuge's behavior isn't speculation.


He may have. Hard telling.

As for Feldman, that's a whole can of worms. In addition to what you mentioned, I saw someone ask Sean Astin about those recent developments. In his answer, he went off on a tangent about how Corey had almost zero parental limitations versus the ones Astin's folks place on him. I feel like that could be a big part of Feldman growing up into who he is. Just a pile of "How Not To Raise And Protect A Kid While They Are Growing Up."
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Re: Biggest jerk in rock music?

Postby mrcancelled on Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:43 pm

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mrcancelled wrote:I don't know a whole lot about Andrew Falkous but he seemed like a thoughtful and polite guy in the lengthy interview I listened to with him, for what it's worth.

Have a lot of folks had encounters with him being a dick before?


He lurks the forum from time to time and gave someone an earful via PM because they said the new FoTL single sounded like Korn.


I don't know why but I find this so hilarious--both the Korn comment and the fact that he PM'd the person.
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Re: Biggest jerk in rock music?

Postby jimmy two hands on Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:32 pm

Glad to see that the focus of this thread has shifted more toward noted racist sex offender and pedophile Ted Nugent, who truly is a piece of shit.
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Re: Biggest jerk in rock music?

Postby travis k on Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:49 pm

There's a rumor that a guy that I see around my neighborhood is one of Nugent's illegitimate kids and that he only found out in adulthood.
Imagine waiting throughout childhood and adolescence , wondering who your real dad is , only to find out that it's that piece of shit.
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Re: Biggest jerk in rock music?

Postby Adam Sr on Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:13 pm

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Re: Biggest jerk in rock music?

Postby unidentifiable on Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:54 am

Eugene Chadbourne is the most unpleasant person I've ever worked with.
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Re: Biggest jerk in rock music?

Postby flanneljammies on Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:51 am

Me. Apparently.
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