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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby Seby on Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:41 pm

Anthony Flack wrote:So streaming is projected to take over everything by 2030... ok sure, I can buy that (or rather, I can't).

But performance rights and film and advertising licensing (other*), which have remained fairly constant until now, are projected to wither away to nothing also; why is that?


As for what they actually used for the inductive basis, I have no idea. I do not know if Goldman Sachs have made the methodology, or even the study itself, public.

But the projection itself is a fantasy of consultant mathematics. No one can see into the future. They would have run an induction on likely outcomes, and the one that the consultants published would be the one that had the highest credence. It is unlikely that they published, or even calculated, the second order credence. For all we know the published results were, although the most likely outcome out of the pool of possible outcomes, given only a 1.5% credence as being the most likely (and _its_ likelihood might only be 3%, for example).

Fake maths. Makes the world go 'round.
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby Seby on Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:38 am

https://daily.bandcamp.com/2017/01/24/e ... in-review/

Made a profit! A fact left out of the article in the previous FT post.
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby landspeednyc on Sat May 27, 2017 9:02 am

Spotify Settles Class Action Lawsuits Filed By David Lowery and Melissa Ferrick With $43.4 Million Fund

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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby unsaved on Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:08 pm

Rhett Miller whined in The Baffler:

Even though my own career benefited tremendously from the last gasp budgets of the old model, I’m not grandfathered out of the cynicism engendered by this new cutthroat world. As the old (and abundantly flawed) avenues of income are closed off entirely, our new music delivery system reroutes the great majority of returns from music-making back to the corporations.

Artists have never been good at maximizing the monetization of their work. And in the new money-challenged world of music, we’ve found ourselves cut out almost entirely. Even casual observers saw the shift from purchased music, which still managed to allot a small percentage of the profit to the artist, to music’s current state of literal worthlessness. Now the streaming services negotiate backroom deals with labels that dole out fees to artists in such minuscule sums that you would lose money by burning the gas it would require to drive to the bank to deposit the check in your account.

And the kids are listening on YouTube, a service that brilliantly shows advertisements before allowing the kids to consume their music. Does YouTube share the revenue generated by these commercials with the creators of the content? Does YouTube give the artists in question any say over whose ad might be attached to the art they created? Hell no. Why would they? They’re the Empire, remember? They’re just sitting in their dumbass Death Star counting their money.
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby Seby on Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:15 pm

prowler wrote:this Baffler piece is also good: https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-probl ... uzak-pelly


Hey, thank you for posting this! I would not have found it otherwise
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby enframed on Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:56 pm

I understand that people, not the artists, are getting rich from streaming. Is streaming any worse for the artist than radio was w/r/t compensation for play? I ask seriously.
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby Janeway on Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:09 pm

anytime i want to, i can hear ode to joy. that is power. every olympic and nasa and other human accomplishment comes secondary to the fact that i can hear pure music instantly.

right now in this instant im int he mood for... paganini. lets see

oh and the classic, yes with jascha heifetz violin genius that... jeepers how much tickets mustve cost for folks back then and to be live at this show and brag to your family for a lifetime abotu it... and here we are spoiled in the future just time traveling 8) with the click of a google search ...

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omg by 1:11 haha :WF:

and damn 3:22 punk is being invented

omg 3:48 is he kidding me? classic paganinni plucking at the violin like a banjo instead of a chamber instrument, you go boy! omg 5:17
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby givemenoughrope on Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:09 pm

Things like streaming might mean that there won't be another Heifetz or LSO or Vlad Ashkenazi. I mean, I HOPE not...but it sure seems that way from here.
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby Anthony Flack on Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:22 pm

I dunno how much streaming is going to eat into the bottom line of organisations like the LSO... I would think most of their revenue comes from performances, recording session work for movie soundtracks and the like, and probably a hefty government arts subsidy.

If you think it's hard for musicians to monetise their art, imagine what it's like for poets and origami masters and interactive fiction writers. But they all still have thriving communities.

Yeah, the corporate takeover of the internet sucks, but from an artistic point of view it's not necessarily a bad thing for an art form to be completely unprofitable. Maybe even the opposite.
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby prowler on Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:54 am

i think FMrope was referring to potential new LSOs, not the existing one
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby projectMalamute on Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:14 am

givemenoughrope wrote:Things like streaming might mean that there won't be another Heifetz or LSO or Vlad Ashkenazi. I mean, I HOPE not...but it sure seems that way from here.


When the LSO was founded the recording industry was in it's infancy. They existed as a working ensemble for a solid six years before making any recordings at all, and certainly did not depend on that income stream.

Lots of music got made before the advent of a recording industry. I'm betting lots of music will get made after. This isn't something to worry about. Good riddance.

Distributing recordings of audio is a solved problem. If someone half way around the world is interested in hearing a recording you made you can make that happen with the push of a button. At no cost to either you or the listener.

It blows my mind that anyone would be all 'fuck you, pay me' in this situation.
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby Clark Gwent on Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:23 pm

I didn't quite know where to put this but it's why Mr Gwent and Mr Albini were right and why GearnGuitars were wrong ...at length......https://medium.com/@garyelmes/all-softw ... de326b3967
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby Anthony Flack on Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:05 pm

Great article! Fun to read too. I appreciate all the little details. Actually it felt so close to reading the contents of my own head, I had to laugh when it was revealed the author was a fellow New Zealander. Mental note: Gary Elmes.

Some time ago on this forum I declared that ALL utility software trends towards being free over time; that the nature of utility software means that its market value steadily erodes until it's eventually worth nothing.

Not even FM steve believed that one, but this article does a nice job of setting out why I think that, and after reading it, my declaration might not seem so ridiculous to you.

That's why all the big utility software providers, from Adobe to Microsoft, have rebranded themselves as service providers now. Last gasp.

It's not exactly a new thing. Isaac Newton kept his calculus a secret for many years so that he could profit from it; calculus was the hot new utility software for the pen-and-paper operating system at that time and he didn't want everybody installing it on their own desktops.

And today calculus is just as important as ever, but of course it has no market value.
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby prowler on Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:14 am

finally read the above article, what a cool story

still, it's a bit hard to translate the utility software argument to other kinds of software with a definite lifespan such as (original) games, not to mention other media such as music albums or novels, where the four freedoms are basically reduced to just two, use and redistribute.
(i guess you can kinda add the study/improve freedoms by providing scores, stems or sketches, but that can amount to extra work, and isn't quite the same as open source)
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby Seby on Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:02 am

His writing reminds me of Neal Stephenson's!
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby Anthony Flack on Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:12 am

prowler wrote:still, it's a bit hard to translate the utility software argument to other kinds of software with a definite lifespan such as (original) games


I think they are very different. No book or game or album will ever have the last word. There's no Platonic ideal for an artwork. That's why I only think that utility software trends to zero value.

It's not that original games necessarily have a definite lifespan (does chess have a lifespan?), but because the form has no boundaries.
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby projectMalamute on Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:45 pm

Very good article, ironic that it's behind a paywall.
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Re: The Problem With Music: Still a Problem (Cracker/CVB ed.

Postby lumpenprole on Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:27 pm

projectMalamute wrote:Very good article, ironic that it's behind a paywall.



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