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Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:50 pm
by 154
subprime wrote:additionally, the fact that part of the money was going specifically to promotion is fucking gross.


Bingo. It's becoming apparent that 'promotional materials' may have exceeded $100,000 in this case, and only an egotistical, wasteful shitbag would find that appropriate.

As far as the whole "you're not a fan so why do you care anyway?" thing, maybe this is a cautionary tale of what can happen when donating your money to a system with zero accountability. Have fun with that KS crap.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:54 pm
by squarewave
amelia wrote:
squarewave wrote:Also, (to Amelia)
I could live the rest of my entire fucking life on the proceeds of having $1.2M dropped in my lap today. To be clear, I don't mean living the way I am today, I mean living it WELL.


some people have been spoiled, have huge egos and are hooked on drugs.


I agree. I have never been spoiled. :)

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:56 pm
by 154
amelia wrote:I don't really care at this point. Some dude I don't know on the internet is all hostile toward me for doing absolutely nothing to him. lol


Well you did accuse a group of relative strangers of being sexist pricks so there's that..

(foe list)

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:59 pm
by benadrian
givemenoughrope wrote:Ben, that is essentially the complaint.


I feel that it is. I just didn't see any posts in the thread that clearly stated it fully and in one post. If there was one, I missed it.

I'll be in the Tech Room if anyone needs me :)

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:01 pm
by jeff_fox
154 wrote:
amelia wrote:I don't really care at this point. Some dude I don't know on the internet is all hostile toward me for doing absolutely nothing to him. lol


Well you did accuse a group of relative strangers of being sexist pricks so there's that..

(foe list)

That's amelia's cycle.
-shows up in a thread, makes accusations of sexism, insensitivity.
-gets offended once everyone reacts to the accusations.
-claims we have a mob mentality.
-backpedals and makes friendly comments like 'I still love you guys'.
-repeat

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:04 pm
by subprime
Hey its like that one thread a little while ago all over again, now there will be a back and forth of "Im not replying anymore" betweeen two parties until they lose interest and the thread goes back to the original topic!

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:42 pm
by tallchris
benadrian wrote:I don't know if anyone has expressed what I'm about to say. If so, I apologize for the repetition.

Here's what bothers me. An artistic musician goes onto Kickstarter to ask for funding. She is essentially saying that she is an artist who believes in her art and she would like your patronage. Her fans, who love her, give her a huge amount of money to make this art. Fair enough.

So she makes this art and now wants to take this show on the road. So, she petitions her fans who are also artists. She could easily say something like, "thank you for patronizing my art, I would like to patronize the musically artistic fans of mine throughout the country by hiring them to sit in with me." Instead her actions say, thank you for valuing my art, which I think is great. I would like you to give me some of your artistic ability. Since you will pay me to be creative, but I won't pay you to be creative, i believe that my art has more value and worth than your art and abilities, and i don't see my fans as equals, but rather as a resource to exploit to make my important musical art.

Intended or not, it's a gigantic slight to her fans, and it's even more insulting considering that her fans wen above and beyond to fund her album and tour; I would expect some above and beyond behavior in return.


This is a great post Ben, and accurately sums up my feelings on this whole matter.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:44 pm
by rchapman75
http://www.factmag.com/2012/09/13/amand ... -an-idiot/

We've made it across the pond! Time to welcome all our new Limey readers and explain that the 'selling meth and blowjobs' comment was actually a semi-insidery reference to the recent Gathering of the Juggalos and not a direct dig at AP's fans.

Carry on!

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:48 pm
by 154
He should totally change his avatar tag to "misanthropic superproducer".

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:56 pm
by jimmy two hands
Christopher wrote:
scntfc wrote:
Christopher wrote:
They also referred to the money Ms. Palmer had raised. But in the interview, she stressed that most of it went toward recording expenses and the costs of promotion and touring.

Pure bullshit. I'd like to see an itemized, Louis C.K.-style breakdown of the 1.2 million and why it cost that much to record, promote and tour with nothing left over to pay her Cirque du Soleil backup band or whatever.


there's a breakdown somewhere on her site.

Link? This should be good.

Here. She should work for the Pentagon and help them buy $1000 slingshots.

Maybe she'll read this thread and take out the part about "The Problem with Music".

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:57 pm
by subprime
shes listing 20$ as the cost to make each LP. Fucking rediculous, is she going to the mob run factory?

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:02 pm
by bleh.
Amanda Palmer wrote:here’s some very back-of-the-napkin costs to manufacture the goods, with a rough estimate of about what we’d have sold if we got to a million.

7,000+ high-end CD-books & thank you cards cost about $15 a package to manufacture and ship. that’s $105,000.
1,500+ vinyls & cards, at about $20 to manufacture & ship…about $30,000
2,000+ art books (bearing in mind the shipping on those, every time they need to be shipped from the plant, to the distributor, to YOU, plus the signing, is killer) will cost us roughly $80,000.
PLUS we have to factor in about $15-20k to pay our design team to actually design all this stuff, and to make it super-duper amazing and worth your money. those of you who supported mine and Neil’s last Kickstarter know what i’m talking about here. this CD is gonna be a super-deluxxxxxe work of art.
the neil and kyle books are going to cost us a LOT of dough to create…(edited after speaking with kyle) let’s say about $300/copy for about 100 copies…that’s 30k.

if we sell about 100 turntable packages: ordering the tables, paying the artists to paint them, shipping all that stuff around: ballpark another $15k.
arts & crafts/7-inch packages, if we sell about 300 of them, adds about another $30k (we’re planning on spending roughly $100 each on the packaging for those, including not only the vinyl but the fun arts-and-crafts activities. oh, and postage/shipping x5)

to take the band on TOUR to six cities and install the art shows is probably going to break even, but if they don’t sell out (looks like some won’t) we might eat it a little bit on that art tour. let’s say we wind up not selling out berlin and LA. we still have to pay to fly the band, gear, art (carefully!!!) and crew to each city. that difference might sink us about $10k.

i’ll be able to wrap some of the house parties into a regular tour, but a lot of them i’m going to need to fly to or otherwise get to. 35 parties. let’s assume i crash on couches and with friends and don’t even stay in hotels…and let’s assume the flights are cheap and i only have to fly to 20 of the 35, with average airfare from place to place being $500. that’s $10k.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:05 pm
by Ernest
Jesus, she's actually worse with money than Madoff.


Her snizz, out or covered, isn't the issue.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:09 pm
by motorbike guy
subprime wrote:shes listing 20$ as the cost to make each LP. Fucking rediculous, is she going to the mob run factory?



plus she calls them "vinyls".

ick.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:11 pm
by subprime
"

this is a long blog, but i have something important i’d love for you to read first.
save it for later if you have to, but READ IT. (a lot of you, especially the music-biz types, probably already have.)

it’s a now-famous piece of writing from the early 90’s by producer steve albini, entitled “The Problem With Music.”

in it, he basically explains why a famous touring band on a label is still fundamentally FUCKED once you do the math.

click HERE to read it."

this must be awkward

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:13 pm
by 154
For someone taking such an anti-major label stance, her accounting skills are even worse.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:14 pm
by Wheely
first i’ll pay off the lovely debt – stacks of bills and loans and the like – associated with readying all of the stuff that had to happen BEFORE i brought this project to kickstarter.
for the past 8 months or so, i wasn’t touring – and therefore wasn’t making much income – but every step of the way, there were expenses. so, during that time, i borrowed from various friends and family who i’d built up trust with over the years.


Also, you've helped her finance the 8 months prior to this project, when she was just, like, hanging out and borrowing from friends and family (sounds like her massively wealthy, famous husband isn't much help when it comes to living expenses.)

we had budgeted about $80k for four to five music videos


Punk rock, man.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:14 pm
by gonzochicago

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:20 pm
by Auntie Ovipositor
Sadly, Steve will lose this argument because tits. Everyone quotes him, then posts tits. Where's Betch when you need her?

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:22 pm
by bleh.
i'd like to point out that in the list above, she factors in payment for the designers and artists who helped out.