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Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:06 pm
by tallchris
bomberz1qr20 wrote:I met this chick at Roskilde. She seemed really stoked to be her.


Was she having a lot of fun up there? Nice cables?

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:08 pm
by Christopher
amelia wrote:Part of me thinks that most of the hostility toward her is subconsciously based on her being so free with her body/nudity.

Is it the I'm-high-on-every-drug-right-now part of you that thinks it? Because people here have been giving conscious reasons why they think this is gross.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:09 pm
by Colonel Panic
amelia wrote:Part of me thinks that most of the hostility toward her is subconsciously based on her being so free with her body/nudity.

Wait a minute, nobody told me she's naked.

Whoah, now that makes all the difference.

Far be it from me to judge the motives of a naked woman. Suddenly, I have far more important things on my mind!

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:13 pm
by Flaneur
As I read it, she's inviting fans who would likely go to her show anyway to play horns and strings on some songs. It's not as though she's posted ads on Craigslist for volunteer musicians. She offered it up to her community, like looking for a grillmaster from people coming to your party (versus seeking out a volunteer chef through a want ad). Whether that's exploiting her cyber-friends, or making a better party out of her fans' sense of belonging by blurring the line between stage and performer--well, that's up to you.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:16 pm
by 154
No one's saying it's impossible to spend all that money that fast, just how gross it is that musician fees were not taken into account whereas, sending a single venue 50 massive, expensive posters was.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:18 pm
by mazacultura
amelia wrote:Maybe she hasn't received the money yet. Are you all her accountants? 1.2 million isn't that much money these days. I'm not a fan or anything, but it just seems tacky that you all care so much about someone you don't even admire.


It's called hatin', lady. It's one of the things we do here.

amelia wrote:Part of me thinks that most of the hostility toward her is subconsciously based on her being so free with her body/nudity.


Followed her on twitter for a while out of curiosity. She posted pictures of her tits so often it became surprisingly dull. It's like hey, tits on Twitter and I'm not even raising an eyebrow. Kind of impressive, really.

I'm not a fan, though I did buy that ukulele record for shits and giggles. Not horrible, and the girlfriend digs her stuff.

What I'm trying to get across here is I don't hate her music, don't have any personal antipathy for her and consider her "freeness" a non-issue. But she asked for $100,000 to fund a tour, raised a million-plus, and managed to shit the accounting bed enough that now she "can't afford" to pay a backing band and is training up fans to work on spec. I think it's worth commenting on, what with the Kickstarter thing being the Wave of the Future and all that.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:22 pm
by SecondEdition
Mr. Chimp wrote:Jesus Christ.



I laughed. Hard.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:23 pm
by Luzwei
amelia wrote:
Luzwei wrote:
154 wrote:
amelia wrote:Maybe she hasn't received the money yet. Are you all her accountants? 1.2 million isn't that much money these days. I'm not a fan or anything, but it just seems tacky that you all care so much about someone you don't even admire. Part of me thinks that most of the hostility toward her is subconsciously based on her being so free with her body/nudity.


-Oh, you are kidding because that last point is just absurd.


shit I missed that. She is nude? Like Lady Ga Ga nude or full porn nude in her videos??? I'm asking, I never seen any of her stuff...



http://bcove.me/n7c62qbh

nsfw


shit. she looked like captain hook for a moment, I had to turn it off. I am really scared of captain hook. this is my biggest childish fear. I don't know why, I could pet a spider and still be scared shit of captain hook.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:24 pm
by 154
Also, I don't think any reasonable folks are insisting she hire a union orchestra either, but how about giving your fans an extra $40 by taking the afternoon off work to attend your required rehearsal?

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:29 pm
by jeff_fox
amelia wrote:Maybe she hasn't received the money yet. Are you all her accountants? 1.2 million isn't that much money these days. I'm not a fan or anything, but it just seems tacky that you all care so much about someone you don't even admire. Part of me thinks that most of the hostility toward her is subconsciously based on her being so free with her body/nudity.

fuck you.

amelia wrote:Fair enough, I was just giving my perspective.


Here's my perspective: you know nothing about any of us.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:31 pm
by subprime
amelia wrote:Maybe she hasn't received the money yet. Are you all her accountants? 1.2 million isn't that much money these days. I'm not a fan or anything, but it just seems tacky that you all care so much about someone you don't even admire. Part of me thinks that most of the hostility toward her is subconsciously based on her being so free with her body/nudity.


people regularly make albums that are better than anything she has ever produced for less than a 200th of that.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:33 pm
by squarewave
givemenoughrope wrote:$1.2 mil to record and promote an album. Jesus Christmas.


$1.2M and I have not heard her name or her music before now (that I am aware of).

When I saw this on some FB posts, I thought it was a reference to the dead girl from Twin Peaks.

That better be one hell of a record, because the 'promotion' side of this endeavor wasn't for shit.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:39 pm
by Adam Sr
The co-dependants will surely flock to their narcissist.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:40 pm
by deep.BTUz
Whose to say she actually raised 1.2 mil? Especially in her case, with maybe The Church of Scientology behind her, what's to keep someone from artificially inflating their fundraising efforts? Even with the % that goes to Kickstarter it would be a pretty damn good publicity return on your dollar. Probably cheaper and more effective than a lot of traditional avenues.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:40 pm
by numberthirty
EmpireStateTroopers wrote:
amelia wrote:Fair enough, I was just giving my perspective.


Here's my perspective: you know nothing about any of us.


Speak for yourself, dude she's got me pegged. I've got no use for women being free with their bodies/gettin' naked. Strictly Amish farm ladies for me.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:42 pm
by subprime
amelia wrote:
subprime wrote:
amelia wrote:Maybe she hasn't received the money yet. Are you all her accountants? 1.2 million isn't that much money these days. I'm not a fan or anything, but it just seems tacky that you all care so much about someone you don't even admire. Part of me thinks that most of the hostility toward her is subconsciously based on her being so free with her body/nudity.


people regularly make albums that are better than anything she has ever produced for less than a 200th of that.



I agree, there have also been quite a bit of shitty records done for way more =o/


No shit. The point of the kickstarter is to fund the ALBUM, not her personal life. Its so that the person doesnt have to take money out of their day to day expenses to put out an album. There is no way you can use up 1.2m on a single album/tour and not have some money left over to pay the background orchestra, unless of course she is an idiot, which is likely the case.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:42 pm
by subprime
additionally, the fact that part of the money was going specifically to promotion is fucking gross.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:46 pm
by squarewave
squarewave wrote:
givemenoughrope wrote:$1.2 mil to record and promote an album. Jesus Christmas.


$1.2M and I have not heard her name or her music before now (that I am aware of).

When I saw this on some FB posts, I thought it was a reference to the dead girl from Twin Peaks.

That better be one hell of a record, because the 'promotion' side of this endeavor wasn't for shit.


I watched the link above.
The music portion couldn't be farther from my wheelhouse unless it contained a screamo breakdown or some wubs. The video was kind of clever, so B- for that effort.

I am done caring about this now. Thanks for the short distraction.

Also, (to Amelia)
I could live the rest of my entire fucking life on the proceeds of having $1.2M dropped in my lap today. To be clear, I don't mean living the way I am today, I mean living it WELL.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:46 pm
by numberthirty
amelia wrote:
givemenoughrope wrote:She isn't "free with her body/nudity" so much as it's obviously part of her schtick. But I guess it's wrong to call attention to or make light of it because I'd be offending all women. Right.


I didn't know it was part of her schtick. Regardless, if you wanna be a pig about it, go ahead, everyone else is. Do you...


I kicked in on the record. In the deal, I got a 3-D viewer with the band in the view. Homegirl is topless. I'd say shtick is a safe bet.

Re: amanda "$1.2m" palmer wants you to play with her for fre

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:48 pm
by benadrian
I don't know if anyone has expressed what I'm about to say. If so, I apologize for the repetition.

Here's what bothers me. An artistic musician goes onto Kickstarter to ask for funding. She is essentially saying that she is an artist who believes in her art and she would like your patronage. Her fans, who love her, give her a huge amount of money to make this art. Fair enough.

So she makes this art and now wants to take this show on the road. So, she petitions her fans who are also artists. She could easily say something like, "thank you for patronizing my art, I would like to patronize the musically artistic fans of mine throughout the country by hiring them to sit in with me." Instead her actions say, thank you for valuing my art, which I think is great. I would like you to give me some of your artistic ability. Since you will pay me to be creative, but I won't pay you to be creative, i believe that my art has more value and worth than your art and abilities, and i don't see my fans as equals, but rather as a resource to exploit to make my important musical art.

Intended or not, it's a gigantic slight to her fans, and it's even more insulting considering that her fans wen above and beyond to fund her album and tour; I would expect some above and beyond behavior in return.