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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby Janeway on Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:58 am

you can always spot a feminist,


its the girl in the room not wearing a shirt that says "this is what a feminist looks like"

couldn't imagine Gloria steinham opening he rmouth in porn face to show guys what a feminist looks like


iehate when folks make excuses for bullshit behavior
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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby bishopdante on Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:33 pm

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bishopdante wrote:Umm, no offense intended, but the various DSM labellings compared to the sophistication of a person's physiology / psyche are worryingly vague, and inappropriate to use outside a professional therapeutic setting (and likely not that helpful full stop). what today is called NPD used to be called megalomania.


This might be the case but at least it gives us a descriptive label to know what we are dealing with. If the label changes, so be it. But the behaviours associated with it are tantamount to our understanding. Without them all we're left with is "he said, she said" with no recourse to the the plethora of documented cases of said behaviour. A 'label' can be a godsend to victims of abhorrent psychological behaviour. "I'm not alone, this has happened to other people. There is a name for it."


Sure... but even the textbook description of NPD doesn't (in my opinion) fit. There is a very toxic phenomenon going on where people are labelled as "incurable narcissists" by totally unqualified people, and that's actually a form of contemporary mass-delusion, and could be termed "mob gaslighting".

Certainly a pathological sense of entitlement and manipulative selfishness is a real phenomenon, particularly if combined with drugs such as cocaine or methamphetamine.

24K wrote:Bi-polar used to be known as Manic Depression but the symptoms haven't changed, by giving it a name & understanding what it constitutes it can empower both the victims & those that care for them. Pattern Recognition.


I'd be inclined to suspect that the presence of and substantial investment of energy and attention on lengthy persecutory constructions would suggest that a western psychiatrist would employ a diagnostic label closer to that.

I am not in any way a qualified psychiatrist, and I'm also not convinced about how scientific or accurate that discipline is. 50 years down the line we may well have some neuroscience and cognitive understanding of the incredibly complex system called the brain & body.

We need that science, because then we can actually set sensible parameters of social and developmental health, and many things that people do routinely today will be deemed as illegal as assault, especially in terms of how little kids are treated.

I do fear what is being created with the mass deprivation and extreme early childhood trauma that is being created with the various vicious modern warzones, ghettoes/shanty towns and refugee camps.

24K wrote:No doubt you're on to something with the rest of your post but the victims of people acting out their neuroses should always be the first to receive support. They never asked for it.


"Neurosis is a class of [mild] functional mental disorders involving chronic distress but neither delusions nor hallucinations. The term is no longer used by the professional psychiatric community in the United States, having been eliminated from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders in 1980 with the publication of DSM III."

However, the term "neuroticism" is still in use by the 'big five' school of psychological profilers who do stuff like election campaigns (famously employed during the trump campaign by Cambridge Analytica).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Fiv ... ity_traits
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroticism

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Arguably the method of training people to observe in certain ways - to provide them with preconceptions - is one of the core methods of social dominance and can constitute abuse.

The terms "gaslighting" and "brainwashing" are extremely worrying... they are not just the domain of psychopaths/narcissists... they are practised by industries and governments... and it could be argued that many in the psychiatry industry and amateur or 'pop' psychiatry movement are guilty as *hell* of that.

Gaslighting is a form of manipulation that seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, hoping to make them question their own memory, perception, and sanity. Using persistent denial, misdirection, contradiction, and lying, it attempts to destabilize the target and delegitimize the target's belief.

Also, terrifyingly, from the ultra-orwellian KGB school of disinformation:

"Disinformation isn’t designed to make you believe something false but convincing; it is designed to make you doubt everything true and demonstrable; to make the very existence of unimpeachable facts null and void."

Sure... we are all in the crossfire of toxic psychology and deception. It's present in families, it's present religion, it's in contemporary commercial culture, it's present in politics.

In fact, before the post-kant modern scientific movement, it could be argued that mystical insanity or socialised psychosis was the de-facto standard method of social control, and that society is still suffering from an appalling hangover, and also providing a volatile fuel for contemporary deception-based manipulation.

Do I think FM orangetree is dealing with facts and truths, and rigorous evidence? I would guess not, and think it is likely that these are persecutory fears.

However... is there an emotional reason for these feelings? No doubt.

Could be biochemical, could be drugs, could be PTSD, could be all sorts of stuff - and many many people with trauma have blocked out the direct memory of the incidents and/or relationship, and thus are left with a feeling but not a thought - but I would not doubt that FM orangetree is in a fight-or-flight-or-freeze state of chronic anxiety, and would encourage seeking calmness and good health, rather than stoking the bonfire of anxiety by building a hostile battle plan and profile of clandestine abuse against the world... habituation to a mental map of profound and complex hostility simply isn't good for a person, and will only make a person feel powerless and anxious.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile ... ution_bias

I'd recommend steering clear of stimulants, including caffeine, doing various sorts of physical exercise, and a rewarding/positive change of scene.
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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby bishopdante on Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:12 pm

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Postby bishopdante on Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:40 am

On the subject of viral paranoia, which people can be psychologically infected with via the Internet, potentially turning their lives into a roundabout of delusional stress-states...

The "gang stalking" phenomenon is surreal, and very much like something out of a Philip K Dick story (NB: he was a methamphetamine user, and reported all sorts of pretty hardcore experiences: http://www.alternet.org/books/philip-k- ... ed-madness)

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NB the comment stream is most extraordinary, and rather edifying.
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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby Janeway on Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:03 am

^gang stalkers are loser nerds. like who cares. go ahead and wipe your nose im still able to get off into my 50shades of gray.why don't you guys stop watchin and get your own lives, ya loser nerd nose wipers standing around doing nothing at the library while alive people read a book.

is it's a conspiracy to come from a big family that never and a house with mice running through walls when they're supposed to not even be sorting, not even this mouse!



these secret society folks, there's just boys trying to be magical about "no girls allowed" clubs but they're just dungeon and dragonning along in her naked robe basements playing Star Wars it has their robes sabers like a lamer version of fight club. pass. go Christmas shopping with your wife and keep your eyes wide shut you chooch hoes and be better leaders and discuss world peace in your secret robes you you secret society nutsacks

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Postby first2letters on Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:25 pm

I'm amazed that this thread has been allowed to continue for 26 pages. It's become a zoo in which FM orangetree is trapped, circling and drooling around his/her rations while we all gaze and laugh and slap our hands against the glass. Unless this is the most elaborate indie-rock trolling ever conceived, in which case, bravo.
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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby bishopdante on Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:46 pm

I wouldn't encourage mocking chronic psychological distress... absolutely not.

But certainly I would encourage anybody suffering from delusions or illusory beliefs to learn to laugh at the farcical aspects of mistaken belief - or the corrosive and acutely-stressing effect on mental and physical wellbeing that is possie -, and to be sobered by the observation that *almost anybody* can be susceptible to the indoctronation methods employed by cults - something that is an ongoing area of psychological research - with researchers noting that you don't have to have a prior mental illness or vulnerability to be subject to the methods.

It has also been remarked that early 20th century psychiatry under the leadership of the notorious coke-head Freud worked very much like a cult rather than a science, and that psychiatry has been under a rigorous process of reform, research and integration with neuroscience over the past few decades - a process that is by no means complete.

"in 1960, every U.S. university-based department of psychiatry was headed by a psychoanalytically-oriented person. This orientation isolated psychiatry both from medicine and from the major illnesses in its own area. There was no evidence that psychotherapy influenced schizophrenia, severe depression, or manic-depressive disease. Rather psychiatry focused on the “worried well,” deliberately blurring the lines between the well and the unwell."

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Jeffrey Lieberman, M.D., the chairman of psychiatry at Columbia University and a past president of the American Psychiatric Association. states that he has witnessed a sea change in psychiatry “as it matured from a psychoanalytic cult of shrinks into a scientific medicine of the brain.” Psychiatry has joined the mainstream of medicine, attracting first-rate candidates for training and the attention of researchers both in academia and industry.


NB: the current reliance on pharmaceutical drugs and understanding of the processes of cognition from a neuroscience basis are anything but complete, nor (unfortunately) is an objective or evidence-based diagnosis the method employed by most psychiatrists today. I think a good place to start would be measuring cortisol and resting heart rate, and also doing some basic blood analysis of insulin and vitamin levels. It seems negligent that this isn't standard practise.

Hence I would highly recommend researching how stress and adrenaline/cortisol plays a strong role in a lot of conditions, and *highly* recommend concentrating on basic wellbeing, and not stoking the fire of anxiety or trying to assemble a jigsaw puzzle patchwork of persecution and threat (as is exemplified by the Internet cult of "targeted individuals".

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Very important to eat properly, sleep properly, be engaged with positive and rewarding tasks. Feeling trapped and anxious/paranoid is not good.

In many ways (in my opinion) endocrinologists have a better understanding of the problems than psychiatrists.

But certainly being habituated to dwelling on threatening thoughts will create more stress, cyclically... and that's no joke... on a medical level.
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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby Janeway on Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:31 pm

^repeat dj! we saw that guys videos already haha
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Postby bishopdante on Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:22 pm

Sure, however those are probably relevant to the OP's wellbeing, so excuse the re-post.
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