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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby orangetree on Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:15 am

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Just the one?


I made a mistake liking these bands. That is my greatest mistake. I should have liked Nsync or something. I never heard of them stalking girls who go to their concerts.
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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby Stinky Pete on Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:46 pm

That's it. I could handle the insane amounts of shit talking of artists, the stalking of artist's family members, the constant ducking of mental health as a factor in this fiasco and even the prudish, judge-y attitude towards sex; but your anti-communist tendencies have gone too far this time, OrangeTree. I'm declaring war. I'm going to form a new band, sell out hard, record an album and all the lyrics will be from your emails that I have hacked mixed with references to kissy bum-bum time.

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Postby curry pervert on Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:00 pm

orangetree wrote:I should have liked Nsync or something.


Now that really would have been a mistake.
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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby jimmy two hands on Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:42 pm

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orangetree wrote:I should have liked Nsync or something.


Now that really would have been a mistake.


Yeah, no shit! You ever see that snuff film they made?
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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby bishopdante on Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:03 pm

Quite a few people have accused Lou Pearlman, the former manager of ‘N SYNC and the Backstreet Boys and many other boy bands of paedophile type sexual harassment over the years (as well as ripping them off).

He wound up serving a 25 year prison sentence for fraud, so I'd bet that word went round, and nonces are not very popular in the can. Died in 2016, in jail.

all of the musical acts who worked with Pearlman sued him in Federal Court for misrepresentation and fraud. All cases against Pearlman have either been won by those who have brought lawsuits against him, or have been settled out of court. All cases also ended with a confidentiality agreement, meaning none of the parties are allowed to discuss Pearlman's practices in detail.


In 2006, he was accused of running one of the largest and longest-running Ponzi schemes in history, leaving more than $300 million in debts. After being apprehended, he pled guilty to conspiracy, money laundering, and making false statements during a bankruptcy proceeding. In 2008, Pearlman was convicted and sentenced to 25 years in prison. He died in federal custody in 2016.


His nicknames are super-pervy: "Big poppa" or "incognito johnson".

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2007 short summary from the time of his arrest:

LOU Pearlman – the hog-fat, boy-band honcho who created *NSYNC and the Backstreet Boys and launched the careers of Justin Timberlake and Nick Carter – was a pervy pedophile who preyed on the young men he mentored, Vanity Fair reports.

“I would absolutely say the guy was a sexual predator. All the talent knew what Lou’s game was,” Steve Mooney, an aspiring singer who was Pearlman’s assistant, told VF’s Bryan Burrough. “Some guys joked about it. I remember [one singer] asking me, ‘Have you let Lou [fellate] you yet?’ ”

Mooney said he once asked Pearlman, who was known as “Big Poppa,” what it would take for him to get into a band. “I’ll never forget this as long as I live. He leaned back in his chair, in his white terry cloth robe and white underwear, and spread his legs,” Mooney told Burrough. “And then he said, and these were his exact words, ‘You’re a smart boy. Figure it out.’ ” Mooney added that a singer groped by Pearlman told him, “Look, if a guy wants to massage me, and I’m getting a million dollars for it, you just go along with it. It’s the price you got to pay.”

Phoenix Stone, an early member of the Backstreet Boys, tells Vanity Fair Pearlman was “definitely inappropriate” with Nick Carter. Nick’s mom, Jane Carter, wouldn’t get into specifics, but said, “Certain things happened and it almost destroyed our family. I tried to warn everyone. I tried to warn all the mothers . . . I tried to expose him for what he was years ago.”

Tim Christofore, a member of Take 5, recalls that during a sleepover at Pearlman’s house, the music czar swan-dived onto his and another boy’s bed and wrestled with them wearing only in a towel, which came off. “We were like, ‘Ooh, Lou, that’s gross.’ What did I know? I was 13,” Christofore told Vanity Fair.

Rich Cronin, lead singer of LFO, recalled Pearlman told him of an “ancient massage technique that if I massage you and we bond in a certain way, it will strengthen your aura.”

Pearlman, 53, is in a Florida jail awaiting trial on bank fraud charges. Prosecutors say he scammed more than 1,000 investors out of $315 million. He’d been a fugitive until June when he was busted in Indonesia, living under a fake name


Here's the full feature-length vanity fair articule from 2007 which covers big poppa's various acts of philandering and fraud in depth: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2007/11/pearlman200711

Makes spinal tap seem quite tame.
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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby goatlord on Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:06 am

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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby Madman Munt on Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:44 pm

jimmy two hands wrote:Yeah, no shit! You ever see that snuff film they made?


This thread needed more snuff.

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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby orangetree on Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:41 am

Stinky Pete wrote:That's it. I could handle the insane amounts of shit talking of artists, the stalking of artist's family members, the constant ducking of mental health as a factor in this fiasco and even the prudish, judge-y attitude towards sex; but your anti-communist tendencies have gone too far this time, OrangeTree. I'm declaring war. I'm going to form a new band, sell out hard, record an album and all the lyrics will be from your emails that I have hacked mixed with references to kissy bum-bum time.

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You would feel judge-y about S&M songs if an S&M sex ring of famous people wrote gross S&M songs about you. I wouldn't care if they just wrote their S&M songs about each other, but they put me in their S&M songs, and I don't want to be in S&M songs. Its sexual harassment.

I am not a Communist but I don't care if people are Communists either, except for in an argument I will disagree with them, but I don't like the Weather Underground, they just caused chaos with bombing and didn't even get any good outcomes. I am anti-Weather Underground.

Ok, I look forwards to hearing your record when you send it to me for permission. I question your choice of mixing kissy bum bum time and dentistry, but it sort of fits with the Tim and Eric movie themes.
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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby orangetree on Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:48 am

bishopdante wrote:
LOU Pearlman – the hog-fat, boy-band honcho who created *NSYNC and the Backstreet Boys and launched the careers of Justin Timberlake and Nick Carter – was a pervy pedophile who preyed on the young men he mentored, Vanity Fair reports.

“I would absolutely say the guy was a sexual predator. All the talent knew what Lou’s game was,” .


Gross. The entertainment industry harbours some very creepy people.

I am starting to feel like the next time I go to a concert or buy a record, I want 3 personal references I can phone first and check up if the people and their work are legit.

I found a John Sayles interview in a book published in 1997 where he says he started seeing Weather Underground people in the film industry, producing films.

I guess there must have been a lot more people in the Weather Underground than the big names.
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Re: Questions Re: Indie Music & Secret Sado-Masochistic Sex

Postby orangetree on Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:02 am

Okay I have more revisions to make after further research since my last posts.

Bryan Rich is a CIA agent, but he's not a good one, he's corrupt and an uber creep. He met Will Oldham at Brown University, where Paul Greenlaw met Will Oldham, and I think that's where Dianne Belino came into contact with Will Oldham too. I'm not sure who else is in that Brown University group from Will Oldham's time there.

So Bryan Rich has two avenues to influence the alternative music scene, as Will Oldham's old friend from Brown University who is a history teacher, or else in his CIA Black Op role where he works with Bill Callahan covertly on Smog records etc.

This is why my friend Kerryn told me that Bonnie "Prince" Billy was THE THING between Bill Callahan and Will Oldham, because Bryan Rich has something to do with the Bonnie "Prince" Billy persona and songs.

Now Will Oldham seems to have met his Communist girlfriend "Franke Blue"/"Sue Schofield" on the set of Matewan, the woman and her mother Elizabeth Ann Duke had just gone on the run and were probably hiding out on set in the extras. The May 19 Communist Organisation raised the kids collectively and discouraged attachment between birth parents and children, which you can read about in articles about Judy Clark. Judy Clark was arrested like Elizabeth Ann Duke for the Brinks armed robbery, but didn't skip bail like Duke did and decided to "stick it to the man" and defend herself in court without a lawyer. She is still in prison now. I am pretty sure Duke has a rich family, who could post bail and not care when she ran off from prison.

Tupac Shakur's stepfather Mustafa Shakur was also arrested for the Brinks armed robbery. He is still in prison too, and in 2016 was denied parole after serving 30 years.

This brings us to an interesting parallel between Tupac and Will Oldham's girlfriend without a real identity "Frankie Blue" / "Sue Schofield". Both of them appear to have been targeted by the CIA since they were kids because they were linked to Black Power and May 19 Communist Organisation etc so they had no other avenues for careers and went into organised crime. Tupac sadly died, and "Frankie Blue" / "Sue Schofield" stayed in the Underground her whole life, ghost writing songs.

Now we get to my recent espionage discoveries.

I found its possible to do amateur espionage if you get some spy contacts, who pass on information to you, and you can give information to as well, even if you aren't working for a national spy agency. So I have been doing some interesting amateur espionage, relating to this particular case only. This is interesting like being in the TV show The Hour and getting leads from the world of espionage like the Freddie character in that show.

Now what I have found out about the CIA operation Bill Callahan was working on is very interesting indeed.

The CIA covert cultural operation was all about the wars in the Middle East. Now defence experts mostly agree the wars in the Middle East were in the USA Defence pipeline since the 1980s and the Iran-Iraq War although the American government didn't say that directly of course. I talked to a Defence expert at the University of Melbourne and he concurred with this view, which I had previously read in an essay by former Australian Minister for Defence Kim Beazley. The professor said there were various conjectures in the field about why America planned these wars, such as to show its military might off to the world, or because of the oil reserves in the Middle East, or because of support for Israel etc. The professor said that its legal for countries to engage in planning for wars, but the Iraq War itself was illegal according to the Rules of War. He said the Afghanistan war was legal though, due to the support of the UN security council.

The CIA started the covert cultural operation in the alternative music scene because the first Gulf War under President George Bush Sr had to be abandoned after public protests. So the CIA covert cultural operation was aimed at reducing protests against American military action in the Middle East. If you are interesting in following the espionage in the music, the song Pushkin on Days In The Wake gives this information away, "God is the answer" refers to the Islamic Fundamentalist cry of "Islam Is The Answer". So part of the CIA covert cultural operation was also aimed at targeting Islamic Fundamentalism, this comes to the fore from around 1996 when the S&M sex and drugs ring starts up, because S&M and Islamic Fundamentalism are incompatible pretty much. S&Mers generally do not support Islamic Fundamentalism, and vice versa.

In my investigations into the world of espionage, what I have found is there are businesses that are basically espionage fronts, so not everyone in the business is a spy, but the business is basically set up as a place for espionage.

So my conjecture is that Drag City was set up as an espionage front by the CIA in 1989. It appears to have been a small endeavour at the start, which meant the spies there thought they could do stuff that flew under the radar, leading to them creating a bit of a paper trail, which is a bad thing in the world of espionage, unless you want to create a paper trail.

Now in espionage the game is information, so spies of all countries sometimes work together, passing on information etc.

"Frankie Blue"/"Sue Schofield" decided to go into espionage herself, like her father Mayo Thompson Jr of the Red Krayola, apart from she decided to be a Russian and Cuban agent not a CIA agent, because of her allegiance to Communism, having been raised in the May 19 Communist Organisation.

She appears to have started work with a team of Russian and Cuban spies who were ideological Communists.

In Russia in the aftermath of the Fall of Communism, many people thought it was just temporary, and Communism would resume again after a few years. Boris Yeltsin wasn't a strong leader, and Communist factions in the intelligence agency persisted. Cuba still was Communist. And Russian and Cuban spies had been working together throughout the Cold War and had an effective espionage network spread throughout much of the world.

In America the President was Bill Clinton, who wasn't big on national security. It would be interesting to find out if Bill Clinton personally authorised the CIA covert cultural operation, but I haven't found that information out as yet.

So the song about this is Father To A Sister Of Thought by Pavement - this is about "Frankie Blue"/"Sue Schofield" taking after Mayo Thompson by being a spy, but being a Communist spy instead, like how Communists call each other "sister". Mayo Thompson presumably used music for espionage purposes too, but he was always a pretty obscure musician and his records didn't sell much and ended up in collectors collections or gathering dust in second hand record shops.

Drag City somehow ended up with a bunch of musicians cresting the wave of fame in the alternative music craze of the 1990s — Pavement and Royal Trux did the best, but by the mid-to-late 90s other Drag City bands had good reputations even without selling to massive audiences, Palace, Smog, Gastr del Sol, Silver Jews, etc.

Drag City as a record label also had a particular style of collaboration, where musicians and the record label would have input into each others releases, which meant it was hard to know where the espionage started and ended. For instance I am fairly certain David Berman was not a CIA agent, yet his music also contains songs with espionage information in, presumably added in via a collaborative process by the spies he was in proximity to at Drag City.

Drag City also pioneered a particular genre of 90s indie music, where the musicians lyrics were deliberately difficult to understand, and the musicians refused to explain either their music or their lives in interviews.

For instance part of the Pavement song Cut Your Hair is clearly about David Berman, and can be cross referenced to the song on the Silver Jews record Natural Bridge about David Berman asking his father Richard Berman for money, and Richard Berman saying to him he should cut his hair and go straight, and David Berman says "Jesus has long hair".

But Pavement never said clearly to fans that Cut Your Hair was at least in part about Berman. I don't know how Berman felt about it, he might have been pissed off about it, since the song and film clip clearly mocks him. That also marked a turning point in the relationship between Stephen Malkmus and David Berman, which became more tense after that.

I personally think Bryan Rich was involved in deliberately engineering tension between the bands at Drag City. Although its hard to say how he achieved this.

If you look at the bands, they were all good friends at the start in the early 90s. By the late 1990s Will Oldham and Bill Callahan had an open rivalry and feud, Malkmus and Berman were angry at each other, and Berman and Callahan broke up with their girlfriends. The whole crowd fell out.

That was around the time the S&M sex and drugs ring started up.

Pavement was the first Drag City band to voyage to Australia, in 1993. They toured Australia several times after that, in 1994, 1995, and 1997.

Another band who toured Australia early in the 90s were Sleater Kinney, who worked with Australian musician Laura MacFarlane from 1994-1996.

As it so happened I met Laura MacFarlane in the mid-90s because she was friends with a friend, Meg Butler.

Laura MacFarlane and Meg Butler went on to perform as Ninety Nine.

Ninety Nine is a reference to the female spy on Get Smart, so my conjecture is that both Laura MacFarlane and Meg Butler were ASIO agents.

So it would fit that Sleater Kinney was a CIA operation like Smog, that came to Australia early in the 90s to start building a relationship with ASIO agents in the alternative music scene, preparing the ground for the CIA covert cultural operation to work with ASIO, and getting things ready for the S&M sex and drugs ring to start up in Melbourne.

I think Corin Tucker looks like a legitimate alternative musician, so the CIA agent in Sleater Kinney is, I would say, Carrie Brownstein, who went on to do Portlandia. Janet Weiss may also be a CIA agent, but I haven't confirmed that to my satisfaction as yet. Carrie Brownstein I am fairly certain is a CIA agent.

So I think I have found the missing link between me and Will Oldham — Meg Butler who I was friends with for a while at high school before deciding she was a manipulative nasty bitch who used people, and then started avoiding her, although we had friends in common for the rest of high school and in fact my whole adult life until this year when I told the mutual friends I was taking legal action about all this.

Meg Butler links the local ASIO in my town and the ASIO in Melbourne where she lives now, to the CIA covert cultural operation through her ASIO band Ninety Nine's relationship with the CIA band Sleater Kinney and the CIA covert cultural operation which Drag City and several of its bands were also part of.

I would guess Bryan Rich had some link to Sleater Kinney behind the scenes in the CIA world.

Me and my friend Kerryn were targeted in 1996 when we started phoning Drag City all the time, at the same time as the CIA and "Frankie Blue"/"Sue Schofield" were setting up the S&M sex and drugs ring in Melbourne.

The CIA got Meg Butler to spy on us in 1996, when she and I were doing Year 12 at high school, and Meg Butler would have been connected to other ASIO agents in our local area, since the intelligence agencies work as a kind of network.

Now Kerryn went to Sydney to meet Bill Callahan and Will Oldham in 1997 and 1998, and its likely that Kerryn got recruited into ASIO as well. She started lying to me after meeting Bill Callahan and Will Oldham, and living a double life from that point on, and helped ruin my life over the last 20 years.

I think I was actually targeted by the local area ASIO earlier, in relation to stuff that was going on in my local area when I was a kid and teenager. Where I grew up was a bit of a hippie and draft dodger hotspot, and I think ASIO had a presence there my entire childhood and teenage years. I'm not ready to go into detail about that stuff at this point online though.

I specifically think though that by 1994-1995 the local area ASIO wanted to discredit me because I knew something and told people about it, and they used Meg Butler to discredit me, getting her to take me to her brother Ben Butler's place by promising me we would go to see one of my favourite bands Smudge, which never happened because Ben was a rude jerk and said we had to go to a band he wanted to see instead, the Mavis's. I think the local area ASIO got Ben Butler to discredit me by writing I was a space cadet in my ASIO file after meeting me, which was not true, in order to make it look like the stuff I knew about wasn't true (this was in connection to a local pedophile ring ASIO covered up).

So that's why CIA agent Bill Callahan comes to Australia in 1997, meets my friend Kerryn, and then writes in his next record Knock, Knock that I was a "Teenage Spaceship" — because my ASIO file already said that I was a space cadet due to Meg and Ben Butler fabricating ASIO records to discredit me on behalf of corrupt local area ASIO who were covering up a pedophile ring.

Now I said how there were two espionage operations going on at Drag City — Bill Callahan's CIA covert cultural operation, and "Frankie Blue"/"Sue Schofield"'s Russian and Cuban Communist operation.

These two operations continued working, if not exactly together, in close proximity, in the S&M sex and drugs ring once it started up.

I have found one of the strategies in espionage to keep your operation going, is not so much keeping it entirely secret, but getting dirt on the opposing espionage operation so they can't expose you without you exposing them back, in which case their operation is as over as your operation is.

So the Drag City CIA team found out about "Frankie Blue"/"Sue Schofield"'s Communist spy operation, but if they exposed what she was doing, that would have been the end of their Drag City indie music CIA operation too.

Now I have detailed what the CIA covert cultural operation was about, but I found some additional information, which is more structural information.

The CIA covert cultural operation is basically made up of more or less famous spies in the arts world and media etc. The spies often don't control their own work, and people like Bryan Rich working behind the scenes in the CIA world can add stuff to the famous artists work, like giving a spy a message to take to deliver to another spy. In this case unfortunately they created records and film clips etc of this which anyone can buy or watch on YouTube etc.

Bryan Rich is in a Black Op that overlaid the CIA covert cultural operation. This is the higher level in a way, the Black Op spies aren't famous, but they are the ones who have access to the spy databases, and who can pull strings between operations.

Pavement have a song about the Black Op in the entertainment industry on Crooked Rain Crooked Rain, "there are forty different shades of black, so many fortresses and ways to attack" . Another song on that record about the Black Op is Hit The Plane Down, where the Black Op has lots of soldiers in the alternative music scene, "Hit the plane down! there's no survivors! I'm taking over your scene" etc. It is pretty difficult to get any information about how these Drag City bands do the collaborative writing in practice.

So with my case you can see how the famous spies link to the Black Op and the Black Op links to the local area spies.

Me and Kerryn phone Drag City a lot asking questions, the bands aren't that famous in 1996 and the S&M sex and drugs ring is just getting started in Melbourne, and the CIA get worried, and it goes to the Black Op, and the Black Op pull some strings to get in contact with our local area ASIO, and then Meg Butler spies on us etc. then this goes back to the Black Op, who call me a Teenage Spaceship in Smog's next record, after Kerryn meets Bill Callahan and Will Oldham in Sydney, and I briefly have to meet Will Oldham in Melbourne in order to get my book back.

Kerryn said that Bonnie "Prince" Billy was THE THING between Bill Callahan and Will Oldham, which I think meant Bryan Rich — so I am pretty sure it was Bryan Rich who got Will Oldham to start pretending to be romantically interested in me at his concerts and then start making these fake love triangle records about me as a sadistic game.

By that point the spies all had a bunch of dirt on each other and on each other's operations.

I was already seen as a problem by my local area ASIO.

Then this is where it gets interesting, since "Frankie Blue"/"Sue Schofield" had her operation, which I told you was to shadow the CIA covert cultural operation for the Russian and Cuban ideological Communist spies.

She is a music prodigy like River Phoenix in Running On Empty which was based on Elizabeth Ann Duke taking her on the run after the Brinks Job. She started ghost writing for Will Oldham, and then for other artists on Drag City like Cindy Dall and Edith Frost, and then when the S&M sex and drugs ring started up she started expanding the ghost writing project to other artists in the S&M sex and drugs ring.

One of the first records she did was Moon Pix by Cat Power, which is about the start of the S&M sex and drugs ring in Melbourne, and has songs about me and Kerryn in. Chan Marshall is a CIA agent too I am pretty sure, most of Bill Callahan's relationships seem to be with CIA agents, like Joanna Newsom and his current wife.

"Frankie Blue"/"Sue Schofield" was given the job to do her ghost writing operation, and try to use the S&M sex and drugs ring to climb up the USA entertainment industry.

As far as I can see, I wasn't the only person the spies chose to put in songs, it looks like they chose several people who they could make narratives about in the ghost writing, and my narrative was the one that survived the most. I don't know what happened to the other people. My life got totally ruined the last 20 years, especially the last 12 years. And when they chose me I was already targeted by local area ASIO anyhow.

I personally feel targeted and stalked by all this music about me by people I don't know in most cases, or a few people I do know who lied to me and betrayed me and ruined my life, but I think the Russians and Cubans were actually targeting the CIA and ASIO in a counter espionage operation, and doing ghost writing about me was a way to achieve that.

During the Cold War the USA successfully penetrated the Iron Curtain, and was able to show the gulags operating in the USSR, the Stalinist purges, the spies in East Germany etc etc. Which eventually led to the downfall of Communism in Russia and East Germany, and the USA and its allies emerged as victorious in the Cold War, the USA taking the position of the major power in a unipolar world for almost 30 years.

So Russia and Cuba appear to have started a similar project to penetrate the operations of the CIA and ASIO in the USA and Australia, and potentially other spy agencies where the S&M sex and drugs ring operates like Scotland, England, and Japan.

They managed to create records of this infiltration over the last 25 years, via the ghost writing project. I don't think "Frankie Blue"/"Sue Schofield" was the only ghost writer working on the operation, but she's the only one I can identify by name with certainty at this point.

The song on Moon Pix, "learn to say the same thing" is telling the spies in the operation to start writing the same narrative into their ghost writing, while "what defeats people is a double confession" is saying to the Double Agents don't confess to being a Double Agent or it will wreck the operation.

The ghost writing manages to map out the operations of the CIA and ASIO, from top level pop stars and Hollywood, through to big names in alternative music, through to support act level ASIO bands in Melbourne who never got really famous, through to local area ASIO where I live.

There are also writers and stuff who are identified including Cold War names like Wallace Stevens who is identified as a CIA agent, and the Australian writer Don Watson who is identified as an ASIO agent.

Effectively the Communist spies have done a Prague Spring on the CIA and ASIO.

I am not entirely sure what the consequences of this will be, apart from I am pretty sure they will be geopolitical. I plan on writing to The Hague about the CIA covert cultural operation since the Iraq War was illegal, and I am dubious of the legality of the CIA and ASIO operations.

The Melbourne branch of the S&M sex and drugs ring was used to corrupt young people from left wing families or who had left leaning beliefs. So these left wing kids got lured into S&M and drugs at a young age where they thought it didn't matter, then suddenly its all covered up, and its something they have to stay secret about, its something they can be blackmailed over, its something they feel guilty about as the secrecy wrecks peoples lives or divides people, its something that stops them from taking part in public life because they are scared of their secrets tumbling out, scared of being called hypocrites etc.

Thats how it reduced opposition to the wars in the Middle East — people didn't take part in public action due to their involvement in the illegal S&M sex and drugs ring.

Around 1996 the S&M sex and drugs ring started up in Melbourne, and I think in other cities around world at about that time too.

9/11 was in 2001 and the war in Afghanistan started


2003 the Iraq War started illegally under the false pretences of Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. The Defence professor at Melbourne University I talked to said that this was impossible, since the sanctions against Iraq meant it couldn't possibly build weapons of mass destruction.

2003 also was when Donald Rumsfeld released the Information Operations Roadmap which made the CIA covert cultural operation illegal, but the CIA continued it anyhow.

Around 2004 a whole lot of fighting started in the alternative music scene, with two camps emerging — people who wanted to expose what was going on, and people who wanted to cover it up. The CIA wanted to cover everything up, and that side won. The fighting seems to have gone on for a couple of years, through 2005 and 2006, and maybe into 2007 as well.

At the same time from 2004-2006 a cover up of the S&M sex and drugs ring in Melbourne and a cover up of the Underbelly Wars was forced through.

That's when they started totally ruining my life, using a combination of famous level CIA agents singing about me, and Melbourne and local area ASIO stalking and bullying me, with people from the S&M sex and drugs ring joining in. They had started that years ago, but they took it to vicious levels in 2005-2006 that caused me to have a breakdown, and then ruined my life for the last 12 years, while everyone lied about what was going on in alternative music, the arts and media, and organised crime.

2007 the corrupt arts-media all supported Kevin Rudd, and in 2008 in America the corrupt arts-media all supported Obama, and the governments appear to have okayed the cover up. Its impossible to say if Rudd or Obama were personally informed about it, or people lower down made decisions on their behalf.

Things started leaking out around 2013 when I got lured into writing to Will Oldham, and since then I have got more and more information and been able to work this out.

The wars in the Middle East continue in one form or another, with much of the region being laid waste and civil wars about religion being fought as well as the American wars.
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Postby Pasta on Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:15 pm

FM Orangetree are you actually James Ellroy, working on some perverse continuation of your cannon?

Seems like a lot of work going on, by a lot of people, just to persecute you.
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Postby 24K on Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:56 pm

Pasta wrote:
Seems like a lot of work going on, by a lot of people, just to persecute you.


If the whole orangetree persona isn't an elaborate ruse, I'd venture it's a case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder & a pretty severe one at that. If any of the artists mentioned have google alerts set up she/he is opening themselves up for possible litigation. Given he/she has already claimed to have harassed family members this would probably be warranted & deserved.

A lot of psychiatric conditions can be medicated but NPD is a tough one. Their false sense of 'grandeur'
gives them carte blanche to mess with peoples lives in horrid & destructive ways & I don't find it amusing.

The only solution I can see is for them to have their means of communication (destruction) shut down.
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Postby bishopdante on Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:36 pm

Umm, no offense intended, but the various DSM labellings compared to the sophistication of a person's physiology / psyche are worryingly vague, and inappropriate to use outside a professional therapeutic setting (and likely not that helpful full stop). what today is called NPD used to be called megalomania.

Paranoia and confabulation are associated with all sorts of diagnoses -
Most notably bipolar and the extremely unhelpful label "schizophrenia" (which many argue should be relabelled a much less conclusive term psychosis-spectrum https://theconversation.com/the-concept ... -why-82775).

I have dealt with enough disturbed and drugged people to have a very strong suspicion that the three-letter acronyms found in the DSM IV are nothing more than an admission of the extreme vagueness of understanding by the psychiatry industry of the nature of human cognition, let alone how to help people.

However, at least psychiatry as an industry is less dogmatically sure than it has been in the past, and electroshock/ice pick lobotomy are no longer in common use.

What's more, the psychiatry industry was keen to drop the diagnostic pattern labelled NPD, and it almost didn't make it into the DSM V.

Other conditions are labelled "bipolar" and various anxiety disorders. I'm no clearer on those diagnoses than I am on narcissism, but certainly I have observed that highly traumatised people tend to live in their own world, and often default to confrontational and aggressive forms of social interaction.

The employment of "magical thinking" to explain worrying and difficult-to-grasp chains of causality and unstable or uncomfortable psycho-social states is endemic. I have to say that with the various traumatused people from the Grenfell tower disaster... a lot of people who were already on the edge, with some paranoid and internet-fuelled notions... were thrown wholesale over the edge into manic/stressed states, not knowing what to believe - and the truth is that plenty f***ed up psychology and toxic bureaucracy / politics is involved.

The amount of people in the contemporary era who invest themselves in various conspiracy theories involving... say... the jesuits, the illuminati, aliens, etc should really reveal how disempowered many people feel in the face of brutal globalised capitalism.

And the truth is that for most of the 20th century governments and industry *have* in many cases employed highly unethical, secretive, conspirarorial, deception-based and highly abusive methods of dealing with the public, including all sorts of clandestine and disinformation programs, and this side of politics has exploded in the era of the internet.

Many people no doubt feel like they are drowning rather than surfing. Often disinformation/manipulation campaigns are run with professional expertise in psychiatry - we are living in a new computer-networked era of psychological profiling and psychological warfare.

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Absolutely various persecutory delusions have been observed, particularly in the case of stimulant overdose - and the way that I like to view that phenomenon is that the mind is looking for an explanation for an emotional/physiological state - cognition is associative in that way. When you're sad, you recall and process other sadness, when you're scared, you dwell on scary stuff.

This is of interest, and thankfully doesn't involve three-letter acronyms to label, typecast and shame people:
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How people rationalise their sensations is worryingly automatic, and just like being on a strong psychedelic drug such as LSD or ketamine... you can't just use willpower or reason to make it stop.
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Postby Pasta on Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:46 pm

We've been playing this game with FMOrangetree for a few years.Was hoping this thread wouldn't get bumped again.Seems like snide humour is the best tactic, to quiet this. FM obviously needs help. But, has also attacked loved ones of other FM's.

Orangetree, it is time to drop this on this forum. You are not finding a supportive audience. Seek help. Let us be. This is all in your head.
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Postby 24K on Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:32 pm

bishopdante wrote:Umm, no offense intended, but the various DSM labellings compared to the sophistication of a person's physiology / psyche are worryingly vague, and inappropriate to use outside a professional therapeutic setting (and likely not that helpful full stop). what today is called NPD used to be called megalomania.


This might be the case but at least it gives us a descriptive label to know what we are dealing with. If the label changes, so be it. But the behaviours associated with it are tantamount to our understanding. Without them all we're left with is "he said, she said" with no recourse to the the plethora of documented cases of said behaviour. A 'label' can be a godsend to victims of abhorrent psychological behaviour. "I'm not alone, this has happened to other people. There is a name for it."

Bi-polar used to be known as Manic Depression but the symptoms haven't changed, by giving it a name & understanding what it constitutes it can empower both the victims & those that care for them. Pattern Recognition.

No doubt you're on to something with the rest of your post but the victims of people acting out their neurosis's should always be the first to receive support. They never asked for it.
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Postby 24K on Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:40 pm

Pasta wrote:We've been playing this game with FMOrangetree for a few years.Was hoping this thread wouldn't get bumped again.Seems like snide humour is the best tactic, to quiet this. FM obviously needs help. But, has also attacked loved ones of other FM's.
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The thread upset me, so I threw my 2c in. Do as you you do, and i'll do the same. No judgement. I would suggest if orangetree is attacking people & their loved ones they should be cut off immediately. But it isn't my call. I'll stop commenting because the whole thing is too close to the bone & I don't have a dog in this fight. Peace out.
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